Fargo, ND - HDTV - Page 45

Based on that it sounds like a funky issue with how your apartment is wired. If possible I might try to have someone from CableOne come and check the wiring. Doing it over the phone obviously hasn't gotten you very far.


I thought DirecTV always paid for the locals, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Even in that case I guess they could balk at the price if Hoak insists on asking for too much again.

OTS digitial stations

(is this accurate?) cause I got this from:

http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/nd/tvmarkets.html


4.1 KXJB-DT CBS Valley City (38)
6.1 WDAY-DT ABC Fargo (21)
6.2 WDAY-DT2 CW+ Fargo (21)
6.3 WDAY-DT3 Weather Fargo (21)
11.1 KVLY-DT NBC Fargo (44)
13.1 KFME-DT PBS HD Fargo (23)
13.2 KFME-DT2 PBS Fargo (23)
13.3 KFME-DT3 MN Channel Fargo (23)
15.1 KVRR-DT FOX Fargo (19)

Looks right, but some of it will change after the February transition. For instance I'm pretty sure PBS will switch to 13 instead of 23, at least according to antennaweb.

All of the "full power" Fargo stations are operating on their post-transition frequencies except for KFME, whose digital signal will move to channel 13 in February.
Around Fargo, WDAZ has no pre-transition DTV signal on the air, they will flash cut to DTV on channel 8 in February. KBRR will do the same on channel 10 (although looking at their FCC reports, it is confusing when that will happen). KJRR also is going to flash cut on channel 7. KNRR's plans aren't exactly clear, but it looks like they want to do DTV on channel 12, although the FCC still has to approve the plan. KGFE will sign on DTV channel 15 after KVRR shuts off their analog, from the same location KCGE is located at - some rumors say that KCGE will go off the air after KGFE-DT signs on. KCPM is looking for money, and has no specific plan for transition. The LPTVs (KVNJ-LP; translators in Jamestown, Devils Lake, and Glasston; and TBN, 3ABN, etc) haven't made a clear transition plan public, however they don't have a February deadline, so you may want to keep an analog tuner available after February.
-Now that I think about it, I'm not sure how many of the Fargo station translators are still on the air...Since the satellite companies are carrying locals, the stations seem to not be putting any resources towards translators - especially since many of them are/were in sparsely populated areas that only gained a hundred or two viewers, although I can't believe Red River Broadcasting gave up their Brainerd translator, there are enough potential OTA viewers there it could pay off - they could put either their Fargo or Duluth feed on it. Hopefully they can sell the license for a profit.

Today I spoke with the engineer who oversees about 50 translators in north-Central Minnesota, including the ones in Roseau, Williams, and Baudette which carry Fargo/Grand Forks stations. He indicated they will remain on the air in analog until federal grants are approved to convert them to digital. No word how long that will take, but they're hopeful it won't be too long.

Are you the Jon Ellis of Northpine fame?

I don't think it has a QAM tuner:


[QUOTE from Best Buy]Built-in HDTV tuner
Add HD-capable antenna to receive over-the-air high-definition broadcasts, where available. Optional set-top box required for high-definition cable or satellite programming.[/quote]

What channel numbers do these 5 analog stations come in as? Is KVRR (Fox) on channel 15 or 10? If it is channel 10, than that would sound like CableOne. But if it is channel 15, then that is definitely the over-the-air channel (not cable).

I would just like to congratulate KBRR on, once again, a terrible FOX viewing experience. Watching the Vikings/Eagles game, and the entire game's sound is coming out of only my front right speaker. Bad enough that KBRR still does not have an HD feed for FOX, but you would think they could at least have the correct stereo setup on their junky feed.

Thanks KBRR, you guys are ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE at what you do!

I don't know where else I can vent about this...

I heard rumors that CableOne in Fargo was adding more HD channels in the beginning of 2009. I also heard that HGTV and Food Network were going to join the other HD channels and be removed from thier strange pay tier they are in.

Has anyone also heard these rumors and if so, have you heard what HD channels are being added? I'm really hoping for SciFi (among others) to help close the huge HD gap between MidCo and CableOne's HD offerings.

Yes, I received a letter in the mail from CableONE stating that the $5 HD Tier was being removed from my bill, as HGTV / Food HD were being moved to just the regular HD. The letter also stated that Animal Planet HD is being added on January 19th. Searching on the internet, it also sounds like FSN HD is not too far away either.

I've been patiently waiting for some time for FSN HD, so I hope that one is true.

On my new 42" LCD purchased over the holidays (there were some good bargains, I sure many others took advantage of them also), OTA in the Grand Forks area, the wildcard games on KVLY looked awesome; the AFC game on KXJB looked great, but there were some artifacts that would appear during high motion (MPEG encoding issues on CBS' side I would think), the NFC game on KBRR looked as bad as the Vikings played. In a medium where image is everything, you would think Red River Broadcasting would make an attempt to at least make the analog signal look good (since they are moving to a different tower, new antenna, and new transmitter for DT-10, I don't know why they didn't just build out DT-32 - heck they could still maybe work out DT-15 or DT-16 from the PPTV Crookston site, PPTV will most likely shut off KCGE-DT or not build out KGFE-DT)

Does anyone know when Midco will have Fox on HD? They have all the other locals but Fox. So if anyone out there that knows anything about the progress of Fox and Midco or even other HD channels for Midco would be appreciated.

My guess is it won't happen anytime soon. Don't bother calling Midco about it, either. They've never been willing to give me a timetable on anything. I'm just happy we get more channels than a lot of other providers, such as CableOne.

Which Midco city are you in (west fargo, mayville, grand forks, crookston,...)?
If it is in the GF area, they may need to wait for there to be a digital fox signal in the area.

A bit off topic for this thread - but CableOne is offering 3 services (Cable, Digital Cable, Internet (5mbps)) for $75 a month if you sign a one year contract. This is also for current subscribers. I'm saving $37 a month. You can call in and verify that you qualify and they will have the contract ready for you to sign when you stop in to their office.

West Fargo, sorry forgot to add that yeah it would be nice to have for 24 and other sporting events, and my tv is downstairs so not sure if its worth getting those ears to get just 1 hd channel cuz they have have every other channel in hd for locals.

Anyone know what is going on with DirecTv and KXJB? I saw the banner go across the screen last night about losing signal on Thursday. What gives with KXJB and KVLY? I seem to remember problems between some cable company and them a while ago. Kinda sucks if I loose the channel cause I have no antenna and I love football!

I got the flyer for this in the mail today and it says it's for new customers only. However I have noticed that sometimes the people you get on the phone either don't know, don't care, or are too incompetent to notice this and sometimes give existing subscribers deals that are supposed to only be for new customers.


There was an article in the paper about it, as well as on valleynewslive.com (http://www.valleynewslive.tv/info/directv.shtml):

Unless a new carriage agreement is reached by 5:00pm, January 8, 2009, customers of satellite provider DirecTV in the Fargo viewing area may no longer receive the programming of television station KXJB & the CBS Network.

KXJB's retransmission agreement with DirecTV expired at midnight on December 31, 2008, and the station has so far been unable to reach a new agreement with DirecTV for the right to continue carrying KXJB programming.

It looks like there will be a manager's mailbag segment on it tonight too. Basically they're asking for more money and DirecTV wants to pay less. Well it doesn't say that but you can assume. Kind of strange it's only KXJB and not KVLY this time, since it's the same ownership, but their contracts probably just run out at different times since they were likely first negotiated before they were under the same ownership.

Yeah, I just saw that in the mailer today also - but myself and three other coworkers all called in and they said we qualified even though we are already customers. All I had to do was go in and sign the contract.

The rebroadcasters of Fox affiliate KVRR 15/Fargo will be flash-cutting (turning off analog and switching over) to digital on 2/1/2009. This includes KJRR 7/Jamestown, KBRR 10/Thief River Falls-Grand Forks, and KNRR 12/Pembina-Winnipeg. KNRR is waiting for FCC action to move to channel 12, so it may continue broadcasting at reduced power on channel 15. Fox network programming will be available in HDTV on the KVRR rebroadcasters.

hotdogs, do you know who which stations receive KVRR rebroadcasts? Just wondering what this means for people in Grand Forks who get KBRR over-the-air or through Midco.

Full Power stations:
KBRR - Thief River Falls
KNRR - Pembina
KJRR - Jamestown

Also many translators around the area that are not on a specific schedule to be converted.

yeah, what egftechman said.

KJRR 7/Jamestown, KBRR 10/Thief River Falls-Grand Forks and KNRR 12/Pembina-Winnipeg simulcast all of KVRR 15/Fargo's programming, but air some of their own local spots (commericals).

I believe the Devils Lake (rebroadcasts KNRR) and Park Rapids (rebroadcasts KVRR) translators (low-powered rebroadcasters) will be going digital by this summer, since they are owned by Red River Broadcasting (KVRR's parent company). The other scattered translators are owned by local governments or privately owned and have their own schedules to switch to digital.

It's official: we lost the KXJB standard-def channel on DirecTV sometime yesterday. This is somewhat relevant to this board since it probably doesn't bode well for HD locals (at least KXJB and KVLY) on DirecTV anytime soon...

Relevant link on DBSTalk here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=149396

I guess I'll have to get off my butt and order that AM-21 box from DirecTV and see if my antenna on the roof is positioned to pick up KXJB (god knows there will be no repositioning of that thing until April or May...).

Jamestown, and Thief River, KJRR and KBRR are going digital on Feb. 1. Devils Lake is doing nothing, since the tower fell over, and no one has called there to complain, so Devils Lake will probably be without, unless you have cable. Pembina, KNRR is a low power translator for digital, and unless the FCC gives them a low power license, it will be gone.

thx for correcting speedcrew.

KNRR/Pembina has an STA to be low power on channel 15 (currently on air), along with a CP to go full power on channel 15, and an application to move to channel 12. They can't stay on channel 15 if PPTV chooses to turn on KGFE-DT 15/Grand Forks, which may not happen since PPTV (PBS member) served by KCGE-DT 16/Crookston-Grand Forks and KMDE-DT 25/Devils Lake in most of the area, and the FCC hasn't acted on the application to move to channel 12 yet. The FCC also hasn't acted on KGFE's application to move from the WDAZ tower near Petersburg (between Devils Lake and Grand Forks) to the KCGE/KBRR-DT tower near Crookston, and if KGFE-DT moves to Crookston, KCGE will be shutting off since it'll be duplicating programming in the same area. If they don't get the CP to move to Crookston, KGFE-DT will not be built, so it goes poof (KGFE is on low-power via STA in Grand Forks since equipment was damaged at the shared WDAZ tower).

Oh man please be right about FSN.

Also get a lil big 10 network and a lil NFL network and thered be no reason to goto Direct in town here

The forums on valleynewslive.tv are now gone. They were filling up with some pretty heated complaints about KXJB over the last few days...The Google caches of the forum are even gone!