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post #1441 of 1943
On the news, they announced that due to a transmitter outage, they were replaying Survivor for those who didn't see it. I wasn't watching over the air so I didn't notice an outage.

John
post #1442 of 1943
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Originally Posted by puck71 View Post

My guess is they don't own their own HD-capable truck, so they have to rent it. Either they don't have the budget to rent it for all the games, or it's not available (my guess is the former).

I figured it was something like that... I was just more or less complaining. I know there is a logical reason as to why they don't broadcast every one in HD. Ohhhhh well, one day!
post #1443 of 1943
I saw this morning that there was channel 431 listed on my CableOne program guide on my DVR. No channel name or anything. I wonder what this might be??
post #1444 of 1943
I dont know if still follows this forum, but from Red River's latest DTV transition report, it sounds like they might just pull the plug on KNRR all together:
From http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....&fac_num=55362
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Exhibit 4
Description: DTV TRANSITION PLAN

RED RIVER BROADCAST CO., LLC ('RED RIVER') HAS OPERATED KNRR FOR MANY YEARS. AS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED TO THE COMMISSION, THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, THE STATION HAS NOT BEEN PROFITABLE IN TERMS OF ACTUAL REVENUES OR CASHFLOW. THESE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE FORCED RED RIVER IN THE PAST TO CONSIDER SURRENDERING ITS LICENSE FOR KNRR. DUE TO THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN AND THE LARGE CAPITAL COSTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR KNRR TO CONSTRUCT DIGITAL FACILITIES, RED RIVER MUST AGAIN CONSIDER WHETHER TO SURRENDER KNRR'S LICENSE. BECAUSE OF THIS SITUATION, RED RIVER HAS NOT YET MADE THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION ON KNRR'S DIGITAL FACILITIES.

DUE TO THE SEVERE WINTER WEATHER IN PEMBINA, NORTH DAKOTA, RED RIVER KNEW THAT KNRR COULD NOT TIMELY TRANSITION ON FEBRUARY 17, 2009. THEREFORE, ON DECEMBER 18, 2008, RED RIVER FILED A FORM 337 REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO CONSTRUCT KNRR'S POST-TRANSITION DIGITAL FACILITIES (SEE FILE NO. BEPCDT-20081218ABL). THE COMMISSION GRANTED THIS EXTENSION REQUEST ON JANUARY 23, 2009, THEREBY EXTENDING THE EXPIRATION DATE OF KNRR'S POST-TRANSITION DIGITAL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT TO AUGUST 18, 2009.

That would be too bad for the Northern RRV if KNRR did go dark, especially with the reduced range of KBRR since the move to Euclid (and KBRR being on flea power until the Canadians approve the full power change). Maybe they could work out a KNRR move to the southwest to cover Devils Lake (maybe co-locate with KMDE).
I remember in the mid-80's KNRR was a big deal for the group, as it was extensively marketed in Winnipeg - they even had a sales office there (i believe they were considering studios there also) - Then the CRTC had them removed from the cable systems because they were competing with Winnipeg locals for advertising dollars, and things went downhill from there (IIRC, WDAZ and KGFE are the only Red River Valley stations available on cable in Manitoba now)...
post #1445 of 1943
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Originally Posted by dandeson83 View Post

I saw this morning that there was channel 431 listed on my CableOne program guide on my DVR. No channel name or anything. I wonder what this might be??

Thats why I came here..please by FSN, please please please.

Cableone better be adding some nice channels here soon or else I can easily just get Midco in a few weeks and say peace out.
post #1446 of 1943
You are correct about PPT and WDAZ being the only North Dakota stations on cable in Canada these days. And last I checked, many of the systems were carrying the Detroit ABC affiliate instead of WDAZ. Most carry CBS and NBC from Minneapolis and FOX from Rochester, NY....too far away and from too large of markets to try to sell ads in Canada.
post #1447 of 1943
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Originally Posted by dandeson83 View Post

I saw this morning that there was channel 431 listed on my CableOne program guide on my DVR. No channel name or anything. I wonder what this might be??

Looked this morning, and 431 looks like it is FSNHD. WooHoo.
post #1448 of 1943
Thank god. the anticipation was killing me...was scared it was going to be somethin stupid like Fox News or CNN.

Now. Get NFL Network Cable one

why the hells it say off air?
post #1449 of 1943
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Originally Posted by stischucky View Post

why the hells it say off air?

Remember, FSN HD currently only shows programming when an event is in HD. I've read online that sometime in 2009, FOX will be transitioning their FSN HDs to full time simulcast channels just like other HD channels are.
post #1450 of 1943
Since about 11:00 pm last night (Thursday), KCGE has had a 16.4 stream running with a loop of two travel shows with a local pledge information, an Antiques road show short, and ID between shows....Are the other PPTV signals also transmitting this stream, and has anyone heard what PPTV's plan is for it?
post #1451 of 1943
The first listing I see in the guide for FSN-HD is Tuesday's game vs. Cleveland. I'll be tuned to 431 at 7pm in eager anticipation!
post #1452 of 1943
Hey guys,

I haven't had any PBS options over the air for quite a few months. (I live in downtown Fargo.) I tried to re-scan my channels tonight with no luck. The current signal strength is 0%.

Has anyone heard anything or should I contact them? I used to have no problem with their signal.

Thanks.
post #1453 of 1943
Digital PBS KFME in Fargo is on channel 13. Do you have a VHF antenna connected to your set?
post #1454 of 1943
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Originally Posted by burnt_secondary View Post

Hey guys,

I haven't had any PBS options over the air for quite a few months. (I live in downtown Fargo.) I tried to re-scan my channels tonight with no luck. The current signal strength is 0%.

Has anyone heard anything or should I contact them? I used to have no problem with their signal.

Thanks.

KFME moved its DTV signal from Channel 23 (UHF) to Channel 13 (VHF) recently. What are you using form an antenna? If your tuner allows you to directly enter channel numbers without having to hit it on a scan, you might want to enter 13-1 and move your antenna around and see if you get anything,
post #1455 of 1943
If your receiver still thinks KFME-DT is on channel 23, entering 13-1 will take you to channel 23. You need to do a rescan.
post #1456 of 1943
PPTV KFME Channel 13 has added another sub channel 13.4 so everyone that gets OTA in the Fargo area needs to rescan to add that channel.
post #1457 of 1943
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Originally Posted by puck71 View Post

The first listing I see in the guide for FSN-HD is Tuesday's game vs. Cleveland. I'll be tuned to 431 at 7pm in eager anticipation!

Uhh..Im on 431 now and it says its not authorized...
post #1458 of 1943
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Originally Posted by stischucky View Post

Uhh..Im on 431 now and it says its not authorized...

I'm getting Not Authorized on 431 also. Ugh
post #1459 of 1943
only cableone could ef this one

How long till Midcon gets to Moorhead?
post #1460 of 1943
They've never officially announced FSN-HD, so I wasn't totally surprised that it wasn't up and running yet. Usually channels are up within a week after appearing on the guide, though, so based on past experience it should be there sometime this week.

As for Midco, they've been saying this summer. But who knows? I'll know when they dig a trench through my yard that they're getting closer.
post #1461 of 1943
Ah, k.

Yea theyve been diggin up 12th ave between 20th and 34th st for the past few weeks. Billboard says early summer.
post #1462 of 1943
Let's hope FSN-HD is ready to go tonight. Otherwise, the next Twins game in HD isn't until next Monday in Oakland.
post #1463 of 1943
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Originally Posted by dandeson83 View Post

Let's hope FSN-HD is ready to go tonight. Otherwise, the next Twins game in HD isn't until next Monday in Oakland.

...and now its gone? I just flipped to 431 and my cable box redirected me to 450. FSNHD is not even on there anymore?
post #1464 of 1943
Mine to, F cableone.
post #1465 of 1943
Just letting you guys know I do occasionally check the forums. I only just found out today from our GM that our Pembina site (KNRR) is being shut down this Thursday after sign off. It WAS mentioned that this was "for now", so I don't know how long that for now may be for. I heard from another source that our channel there is being absorbed by PBS. Regardless of what's happening, it is a disappointment. It seems that over the past couple years we've lost all but one of our translators, and now pulling a main transmitter off for who knows how long is really odd. If I learn anything new I'll let you guys know.
post #1466 of 1943
KGFE-DT went on the air last night (Thursday night) on Channel 15 (which was KNRR-DT's pre-transition channel), with the exact same line up as KCGE transmitting from the same tower (2.1 - PBS HD, 2.2 - PBS SD, 2.3 MN Channel, 2.4 PPTV4).
Now if only the Canadians can get their act together so the maximization application for KBRR-DT can be approved, so the solid signal can go beyond the physical shadow of the tower, and KNRR-DT12 can get a construction permit to build the facility.
DirectorFlik, have you heard anything about when you might be able to get a 720p signal to Euclid (KBRR's TX site), and have program guide info in the PSIP data? If you have no plans to do HD on channel 10, maybe you could put a RTN (http://www.myretrotv.com/shows.html ) subchannel on, so the bandwidth isn't going to waste (and as a side effect have more people drop their cable on go strictly OTA, since more choice would be available, thus increasing your likely viewership).
Also, does anyone know what is going on with KCPM-27? THey have no digital transition plans on file with the FCC, and are still broadcasting in analog this morning, but running scrolls saying that the digital conversion is taking place and contact KCPM with questions (so it's a locally generated scroll). Are they really converting today, are they going to continue with the analog signal (illegally, as they have no published authorization to continue analog operations), or shutting down (again)?
post #1467 of 1943
The story on KNRR according to FCC filings posted on June 12 at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....ility_id=55362

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Red River Broadcast Co., LLC
KNRR-DT, Pembina, North Dakota
FCC Facility ID No. 55362
Red River Broadcast Co., LLC ("Red River") is the licensee of KNRR(TV), and the permittee of KNRR-DT, Pembina, North Dakota ("KNRR"). KNRR is a full-power satellite television station. KNRR has operated on analog Channel 12 historically, currently broadcasts a pre-transition operation on digital Channel 15 and has been authorized to use digital Channel 12 for a permanent, post-transition operation.

KNRR is isolated in northeastern North Dakota adjacent to the Canadian border, and as has been reported to the Commission by Red River on several occasions, has never been profitable in terms of actual revenues or cashflow. (See, e.g. KNRR DTV Transition Status Report; FCC File No. BDTUCT-20090416ALL) Due to those long-term financial circumstances, the large capital expenditures necessary for DTV conversion, and the current economic crisis, Red River has not been able to purchase and construct facilities that would permit KNRR to transition to its authorized post-transition digital operation on Channel 12.

The Commission already granted an extension of time within which Red River may complete the construction of a permanent DTV facility for KNRR. (FCC File No. BEPCDT-20081218ABL) Based on that grant and related Commission action, Red River's digital construction authority for KNRR currently expires on October 18, 2009. In anticipation of the difficulty, indeed impossibility, of completing the DTV transition for KNRR on time, last January Red River requested special temporary authority for KNRR to continue analog broadcast operations past the DTV transition deadline. (FCC File No. BDSTA-20090127AAY) Recently, the FCC staff informed Red River that the Commission lacks the legal authority necessary to grant an STA to continue analog operations past the June 12, 2009 deadline, and shortly thereafter, the Commission dismissed that STA request.

Based on discussions with the FCC's staff, Red River has explored the possibility of continuing its pre-transition digital operation on Channel 15. In doing so, management of Red River discussed the status of the digital transition of noncommercial television station KGFE(TV), Grand Forks, North Dakota, which has been authorized to use digital Channel 15 for its permanent, post-transition operation. The licensee of KGFE informed Red River that KGFE would transition on time to its post-transition Channel 15 operation on June 12, 2009. Therefore, KNRR must vacate Channel 15 to accommodate the DTV transition of KGFE and to prevent cochannel interference to it.
As a technical matter, KNRR's current digital antenna cannot transmit on any channel except for 15. Because the Commission will not allow KNRR to continue its analog service, then it has no alternative but to cease operations. Therefore, because of extreme circumstances beyond its control, KNRR will cease broadcasting operations on June 11, 2009 and it requests special temporary authority from the FCC to remain silent until such time as it might complete construction of a permanent digital operation.

There should be a glut of "pre-transition" transmitters on the market after today, hopefully Red River can find one either on or easily converted to channel 12 for cheap.
post #1468 of 1943
KCPM has an STA to convert to digital. I'm still receiving them in analog with scrolls about DTV as I watched Smackdown. They'll probably switch at midnight. If they shut down, perhaps KVRR (and its satellites) could pick up MyNetworkTV (which Fox's sister network) as a subchannel with RTN or Sportsman Channel programming outside of primetime (The Sioux Falls and Rapid City MyNetworkTV subchannels carry RTN or Sportsman programming outside of primetime, respectively).

As for KNRR, their signal reaches Winnipeg (albeit weak). When KCND (channel 12 off the same site as KNRR) was on the air several decades ago, they were carried on Winnipeg cable, and most of their revenue came from Winnipeg. I know WDAZ and KGFE are carried on Winnipeg cable (Shaw or MTS TV), I would think KVRR would want them to carry KNRR as the Fox affiliate on their lineup, too.

KGFE's signal is slightly weaker than KCGE's, but I'm not getting any breakups. I'm not sure why they're simulcasting on two stations at the same site with almost identical coverage areas...perhaps they could move KGFE to their KUND-FM site near Oslo, which covers areas north of GF that lost KGFE's OTA signal after their analog transmitter (at the WDAZ site) fire that are too far to receive KCGE nor KMDE.
post #1469 of 1943
KNRR's deep fringe coverage of Winnipeg is virtually worthless now since cable/satellite penetration across Canada is extremely high. Plus, it's not likely even a full-power DTV station from Pembina could be received reliably in Winnipeg, AND Canada is still in analog (or would they say analogue there?) I don't think any of Winnipeg's stations have even signed on digital companion channels yet.

KNRR can't get on Canadian cable because the Canadian regulators don't want U.S. stations selling ads in Canada, and competing with Canadian stations. I'm not sure why WDAZ is still carried on some systems, but most of them carry WXYZ from Detroit for their ABC.

PPTV likely put KGFE on the KCGE tower as a last-ditch effort to keep it on the air and avoid losing the license. I believe there were rumors earlier in this thread that they would sell it.
post #1470 of 1943
No DTV signal in the Point area of East Grand Forks from KCPM yet...They went off the air at Midnight Friday...Anyone else able to receive anything on DT channel 27?

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KCPM has an STA to convert to digital. I'm still receiving them in analog with scrolls about DTV as I watched Smackdown. They'll probably switch at midnight. If they shut down, perhaps KVRR (and its satellites) could pick up MyNetworkTV (which Fox's sister network) as a subchannel with RTN or Sportsman Channel programming outside of primetime (The Sioux Falls and Rapid City MyNetworkTV subchannels carry RTN or Sportsman programming outside of primetime, respectively).

As for KNRR, their signal reaches Winnipeg (albeit weak). When KCND (channel 12 off the same site as KNRR) was on the air several decades ago, they were carried on Winnipeg cable, and most of their revenue came from Winnipeg. I know WDAZ and KGFE are carried on Winnipeg cable (Shaw or MTS TV), I would think KVRR would want them to carry KNRR as the Fox affiliate on their lineup, too.

KGFE's signal is slightly weaker than KCGE's, but I'm not getting any breakups. I'm not sure why they're simulcasting on two stations at the same site with almost identical coverage areas...perhaps they could move KGFE to their KUND-FM site near Oslo, which covers areas north of GF that lost KGFE's OTA signal after their analog transmitter (at the WDAZ site) fire that are too far to receive KCGE nor KMDE.
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