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post #2881 of 3519
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Originally Posted by kbuke View Post

Channels 30 and 58 have music videos. I can get those on MTV, VH1, CMT, GAC, GMC, etc. Nashville Tv: would you PLEASE wake up and give us something that would make us want to watch your stations, whether in HD or SD????

If one is relying on OTA only you certainly can't get music videos from MTV, VH1, CMT etc etc. I believe retrostation was referring to getting TV via OTA only. So I was asking him since he is complaining about lack of viewing options.
post #2882 of 3519
I give up. If you have the money to buy a new flat screen and subscribe to cable and or sat and and enjoy your state of the art picture then do so. If you dont, and rely on OTA for your tv viewing pleasure, then i suggest you remember that our system of TV and radio was set up for public interest necessity and convenience. None of which is being met and there are plenty of ways to do so. One obvious way is to take full advantage of what the capability DTV offers with subchannels. Yes, there are people who watch the jewelry channel. Yes, there are people who would watch the cow in the field channel. I would rather enjoy the paint on the wall drying channel. Look at full service radio. Its dead except for a few local stations. like i said i give up. smh
post #2883 of 3519
Just saw where WTVF has been granted channel 25 as the "final physical channel," for the station. Sure took the FCC long enough. Be interesting to see if any difference in the signal.
post #2884 of 3519
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Sure took the FCC long enough.

The request to move was only filed in January. That's only 4 months, which is warp speed for a governmental agency.
post #2885 of 3519
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

The request to move was only filed in January. That's only 4 months, which is warp speed for a governmental agency.

Actually last August

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume...?id=7020910614

Posted by Trip On Sept 2nd

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post19134341
post #2886 of 3519
Doh! I must have been thinking of the NPRM or some subsequent part of the process.

Good catch.
post #2887 of 3519
Did WTVF shut down channel 50? I was receiving it fine yesterday morning (Saturday) but nothing, nada, zilch this moring (Sunday).
post #2888 of 3519
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Originally Posted by kbuke View Post

Just saw where WTVF has been granted channel 25 as the "final physical channel," for the station. Sure took the FCC long enough. Be interesting to see if any difference in the signal.

Well if you go by the supposed service contour on the FCC website there sure is. Probably not where you live, but where I live. I probably won't be able to get it in on 25. At least not in the day. Seems to have the same service contour are WPGD channel 33. And if that the case that's not good for me.
post #2889 of 3519
Sent and email to WTVF engineering about 50 and got this response:

"The channel 50 transmitter is off the air due to a component failure. We are working to restore it, but parts availability are uncertain over the holiday weekend. "
post #2890 of 3519
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

Well if you go by the supposed service contour on the FCC website there sure is. Probably not where you live, but where I live. I probably won't be able to get it in on 25. At least not in the day. Seems to have the same service contour are WPGD channel 33. And if that the case that's not good for me.

What is your location? If you are near Camden, unfortunately, you are probably right (according to all of the contour maps I've seen).
post #2891 of 3519
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Originally Posted by kbuke View Post

What is your location? If you are near Camden, unfortunately, you are probably right (according to all of the contour maps I've seen).

Yeah I live within city limits of Camden. Now I know service contours can be misleading, but WTVF being in the same area as WPGD and showing nearly the same service contour I believe I have a good idea of what to expect.

I wish all the Nashville stations had their towers located where WKRN and WNPT have theirs since it seems to be a better location. I'm able to get in WNPT with very little effort. As good or better than WSMV both of which are hi-VHF and WNPT is only broadcasting as 17.5 kW while WSMV is broadcasting at 60 kW. And WKRN comes in better than WPGD even though both are broadcasting at 1000 kW at roughly the same height and both using non-directional antennas. So all those facts tell me the WSMV/WNPT location is the best, but I don't expect the others to ever move.
post #2892 of 3519
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Originally Posted by janryAVS View Post

Sent and email to WTVF engineering about 50 and got this response:

"The channel 50 transmitter is off the air due to a component failure. We are working to restore it, but parts availability are uncertain over the holiday weekend. "

Since thier move to 25 was approved you have to wonder if they are going to even bother to fix ch 50.
post #2893 of 3519
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

Since thier move to 25 was approved you have to wonder if they are going to even bother to fix ch 50.

I think they still have 45 days to get things together so you may be right. I always thought (or heard) that they were ready to flash cut to 25 at a moment's notice. Maybe I just dreamed it.
post #2894 of 3519
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Originally Posted by kbuke View Post

I think they still have 45 days to get things together so you may be right. I always thought (or heard) that they were ready to flash cut to 25 at a moment's notice. Maybe I just dreamed it.

That can't happen. They have to wait until 45 days to apply for a construction permit, then they have to wait for the FCC to grant that construction permit. Once the FCC grants the permit, then they can start broadcasting on ch 25, but most of the times, the FCC takes forever to grant construction permits. So I don't know how long it will be until they can broadcast on 25.
post #2895 of 3519
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Originally Posted by NashDigie View Post
That can't happen. They have to wait until 45 days to apply for a construction permit, then they have to wait for the FCC to grant that construction permit. Once the FCC grants the permit, then they can start broadcasting on ch 25, but most of the times, the FCC takes forever to grant construction permits. So I don't know how long it will be until they can broadcast on 25.
It says they have to apply for a CP within 45 days. Not that they have to wait 45 days.

5. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, That within 45 days of the effective date of this Order,NewsChannel 5 Network, LLC shall submit to the Commission a minor change application for a construction permit (FCC Form 301) specifying channel 25 in lieu of channel 5.

So 45 days after May 23rd is July 7th.
post #2896 of 3519
"45 days [after] the effective date of the order," which is when it's published in the federal register. It probably hasn't been published yet, as there's usually at least two weeks of lag time on that.

- Trip
post #2897 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post
"45 days [after] the effective date of the order," which is when it's published in the federal register. It probably hasn't been published yet, as there's usually at least two weeks of lag time on that.

- Trip
well they still don't have to wait 45 days. They can file as soon as it's published then.
post #2898 of 3519
I found out at about 7pm that WTVF-LD translator channel 50 is back on the air after it went off the air Saturday night.
post #2899 of 3519
Does anyone know when WTVF goes to channel 25 what power they will be transmitting on that channel? 1000 kw I hope!
post #2900 of 3519
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Originally Posted by NashDigie View Post

I found out at about 7pm that WTVF-LD translator channel 50 is back on the air after it went off the air Saturday night.

Thanks. I just checked and I'm getting a nice signal now.
post #2901 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Steve52 View Post

Does anyone know when WTVF goes to channel 25 what power they will be transmitting on that channel? 1000 kw I hope!

Yes. It will be broadcasting at 1000kw.
post #2902 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Steve52 View Post

Does anyone know when WTVF goes to channel 25 what power they will be transmitting on that channel? 1000 kw I hope!

Yes 1000 kW but it's also directional to a some degree. According to the FCC website their service contour is nearly the same as WPGD. So in Camden I'll actually have less of chance getting WTVF on channel 25 than I do channel 5. So I might be stuck using a lo-VHF antenna afterall. Assuming they can keep channel 5 as a translator. But for you ther shouldn't be as much of an issue.
post #2903 of 3519
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Originally Posted by retrostation View Post

I give up. If you have the money to buy a new flat screen and subscribe to cable and or sat and and enjoy your state of the art picture then do so. If you dont, and rely on OTA for your tv viewing pleasure, then i suggest you remember that our system of TV and radio was set up for public interest necessity and convenience. None of which is being met and there are plenty of ways to do so. One obvious way is to take full advantage of what the capability DTV offers with subchannels. Yes, there are people who watch the jewelry channel. Yes, there are people who would watch the cow in the field channel. I would rather enjoy the paint on the wall drying channel. Look at full service radio. Its dead except for a few local stations. like i said i give up. smh

With new content being produced in HD 16:9, there will be a glut of old SD programming for years to come. OTA TV subchannels are a natural home for this old material. I watch Antenna TV on Huntsville 19.2 from time to time (especially now that it is summer). I think there is a place for subchannels. But I don’t think they should be added to the point that they degrade the main HD channels.

4:3 subchannels are an important part of DTV, but so are the 16:9 aesthetic, Dolby sound, etc.

I’d love to see a big dog independent or two in each market that carried nothing but SD.
I’d also love to see an independent that aired old movies in their original aspect. I catch the odd movie on Antenna TV, and I hate to watch a film that I know was filmed in widescreen butchered down to 4:3.

And while I am making my wish list, I’d like to see the NWS take on all weather programming. Let them do nothing but weather 24 hours a day and give them a must-carry frequency in every TV market. Then put an end to all-day radar coverage on the network affiliates. Do we really need dueling meteorologists? And for good measure, make those goofy on-screen weather displays and marquee scrolls a toggled overlay (like close captioning).

/rant /pipedream
post #2904 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

"45 days [after] the effective date of the order," which is when it's published in the federal register. It probably hasn't been published yet, as there's usually at least two weeks of lag time on that.

- Trip

Ok I just found this

http://www.federalregister.gov/artic...s-nashville-tn

It says This rule is effective July 11, 2011.

So if you combine that with

5. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, That within 45 days of the effective date of this Order, NewsChannel 5 Network, LLC shall submit to the Commission a minor change application for a construction permit (FCC Form 301) specifying channel 25 in lieu of channel 5.

It seems WTVF can't file a CP before July 11th and has to file for one by August 25. So I'm wondering based on that when is the soonest they can actually fire channel 25 up.

Also it says

4. Accordingly, pursuant to the authority contained in Sections 4(i), 5(c)(1), 303(g) and (r) and 307(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and Sections 0.61, 0.204(b) and 0.283 of the Commission's rules, IT IS ORDERED, That effective 30 days after date of publication of this Report and Order in the Federal Register, the Post-Transition Table of DTV Allotments, Section 73.622(i) of the Commission's rules, IS AMENDED, with respect to the community listed below, to read as follows:
City and State Nashville, Tennessee
Channel Nos. *8, 10, 15, 21, 23, 25, 27


30 days after publication in the federal registar would be July 9th. So while when a CP is granted a station has 3 years to fire up the equipment I seriously doubt the FCC will allow WTVF to take 3 years to do it since officially after July 9th 2011 WTVF is on channel 25. Or am I missing something?
post #2905 of 3519
They have three years from the time the permit is granted to build.

- Trip
post #2906 of 3519
now this is the way to do it.... and to think i would not have to watch France24 on my small iphone screen... Why cant a station in Nashville do this.... this is wann, atlanta

32-01 29.1 480i DD2.0 APGuide Biz Television (Guide)
32-02 29.2 480i DD2.0 MTVtr3s MTV tr3s
32-03 29.3 480i DD2.0 this TV This TV
32-04 29.4 480i DD2.0 prism Movies
32-05 29.5 480i DD2.0 Oldie Classic Shows
32-06 29.6 480i DD2.0 LATV LATV
32-07 29.7 480i DD2.0 TUFF TV Tuff TV
32-08 29.8 480i DD2.0 Legacy Legacy TV
32-09 29.9 480i DD1.0 JTV Jewelry TV
32-10 29.10 480i DD2.0 News 24 France24
32-21 29.11 DD2.0 WGST640 Audio "640 WGST"
32-22 29.12 DD2.0 949BULL Audio "94.9 The Bull"
32-23 29.13 DD2.0 PROJECT Audio "Project 9-6-1"
32-24 29.14 DD2.0 WiLD Audio "WiLD 105.7 & 96.7"
32-25 29.15 DD2.0 WiLD Audio "WiLD 105.7 & 96.7"
32-26 29.16 DD2.0 PATRON Audio "105.3 El Patron"
32-27 29.17 DD1.0 TBA Audio
32-28 29.18 DD2.0 TBA Audio
32-29 29.19 DD2.0 TBA Audio
32-30 29.20 DD2.0 TBA Audio
post #2907 of 3519
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Originally Posted by retrostation View Post

now this is the way to do it.... and to think i would not have to watch France24 on my small iphone screen... Why cant a station in Nashville do this.... this is wann, atlanta

32-01 29.1 480i DD2.0 APGuide Biz Television (Guide)
32-02 29.2 480i DD2.0 MTVtr3s MTV tr3s
32-03 29.3 480i DD2.0 this TV This TV
32-04 29.4 480i DD2.0 prism Movies
32-05 29.5 480i DD2.0 Oldie Classic Shows
32-06 29.6 480i DD2.0 LATV LATV
32-07 29.7 480i DD2.0 TUFF TV Tuff TV
32-08 29.8 480i DD2.0 Legacy Legacy TV
32-09 29.9 480i DD1.0 JTV Jewelry TV
32-10 29.10 480i DD2.0 News 24 France24
32-21 29.11 DD2.0 WGST640 Audio "640 WGST"
32-22 29.12 DD2.0 949BULL Audio "94.9 The Bull"
32-23 29.13 DD2.0 PROJECT Audio "Project 9-6-1"
32-24 29.14 DD2.0 WiLD Audio "WiLD 105.7 & 96.7"
32-25 29.15 DD2.0 WiLD Audio "WiLD 105.7 & 96.7"
32-26 29.16 DD2.0 PATRON Audio "105.3 El Patron"
32-27 29.17 DD1.0 TBA Audio
32-28 29.18 DD2.0 TBA Audio
32-29 29.19 DD2.0 TBA Audio
32-30 29.20 DD2.0 TBA Audio

If you want youtube quality video on your big screen TV.
post #2908 of 3519
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

They have three years from the time the permit is granted to build.

- Trip

I'm sure they won't take 3 years. Anyways I assume they will be able to continue to use CH 5 until their license runs out( I believe that's 2014 ) they just won't be afforded interernce protection. Which means a station like WMC in Memphis which is also on CH 5 could ask for a power increase if they felt they needed it.
post #2909 of 3519
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

If you want youtube quality video on your big screen TV.

Would not mind it a bit. If you want the quality pay out an orriface for cable or sat, if you want quantity for free.... no brainer to me...
post #2910 of 3519
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Originally Posted by retrostation View Post
Would not mind it a bit. If you want the quality pay out an orriface for cable or sat, if you want quantity for free.... no brainer to me...
No offense but you're insane. You'd rather have 20 channels at 480i and ~ 1Mbps than 5 channels at 480i and ~4 mbps? Most of those 20 are going to be garbage. That's the problem with cable. Hundreds of channels most of it garbage. And you want OTA to copy that idea?
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