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post #61 of 105
Current model is called Motorola BMC9012. It works only with one TV. We plan to release Moxi Mate later this year in conjunction with the Motorola BMC9022. (--12= 1 TV, 2 tuners; --22- 2 TVs, 2 tuners). 9022 has an extra graphics chip so that you can can have independent U-I and control from the second TV. It also has a larger HDD (160 gb), a built in optical drive (for CDs and DVDs), and special hardware to transmit the signal to the second TV. Charter has not announced pricing and availability on the 2-room solution.
post #62 of 105
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Originally posted by MoxiGuy
By the way, Moxi also avoids getting duplicates. So, even in syndication, if the same episode is repeated several times a week, Moxi will only record it once. (Note: this also relies on guide information. In cases where the listings don't provide any episode data, Moxi does not have a basis to avoid getting multiple versions of the same episode.)
Last night my Moxi box recorded the same episode of Designed to Sell twice. Guide data was the same and the series option was First Run only.
post #63 of 105
I've heard that Comcast pulled the Moxi info from their webpage in Portland, OR. I've also heard that there were some problems between Moxi and Comcast's On Demand, which could be the reason that Moxi's out.

Does anyone know if Moxi is still coming to Portland at the end of this year?
post #64 of 105
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Originally posted by mrbill1957
Last night my Moxi box recorded the same episode of Designed to Sell twice. Guide data was the same and the series option was First Run only.
This, unfortunately, is a case that slips through our nets. There are some series that do not have any individual episode descriptions in the guide data. If our provider can't get specific episode descriptions, they use a generic description and repeat it for every episode. (my favorite is, "The odd buddies have many strange adventures," for Pinky and the Brain)

For Design to Sell we have no way of knowing whether you are getting duplicates or not. Also "first run only" applies to network shows in their original runs. Once a show goes into syndication, the listings don't distinguish between first run and repeat--because they're ALL repeats. We're working on some ideas for weaving tighter nets. But for now, this will happen.
post #65 of 105
A number of folks in this thread asked about getting Moxi in areas where it's not yet distributed. In response to this, we posted a sign up form on our site. If we get enough inquiries from your area, we can pass them on to decision-makers at your cable operator.
post #66 of 105
MoxiGuy, I have searched this forum, the Motorola site and Googled for an answer to my question below to no avail. Can you help?

How do I connect/set up the BMC9012 on a home network?

Can I run an ethernet cable from it to my router? I already have a cable modem from Adelphia, so I am not sure how any of this would work. I envision simply needing to use the BMC box as the modem, hooking the routher to that and scrapping the existing cable modem.

My last resort is to call Adelphia which I am reluctant to do. Half of the Adelphia support staff I talk to tell me that these are not available in my area... Imagine their suprise when I call =\\

Thanks!
post #67 of 105
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Originally posted by XP-Elwood
How do I connect/set up the BMC9012 on a home network?
Short answer is: wait. Several home networking applications are on the way. We designed it for exactly the purpose you envision. It will be possible to use the internal cable modem to provision high speed internet to your home computers using wired or wireless networking. But that capability is still some time off. We also are planning applications which will let you view photos and listen to mp3s that are stored on your home computer (planned for 2005).
post #68 of 105
MoxiGuy:

I always look forward to your quick responses about the new Moxi hardware and software. Although I'm a current (and very happy) owner of 4 UltimateTV satellite receivers, I do realize I'm on borrowed time with these. Microsoft has abandoned the UTV platform in favor of their Media Center software, and the UTVs aren't in production anymore.

When these workhorses go out to pasture, I would LOVE to switch over to Moxi. The interface is great, and looks to be well thought out.

However, the cable in my area (Charlotte, NC) is serviced by Time Warner, which has unfortunately decided to go with the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 DVRs. These aren't bad (I've seen one in action), but pales in comparison to my UTVs and to the Moxis.

Anyway, can you tell me more about the Moxi Ticker ?? Would I get local weather and local sports scores, or is it more of a generic national info (CNN-like) ticker ??

Thanks, and keep us updated on new features. The more features Moxi can come up with, the more customers will ask their local providers for Moxi instead of the other DVRs.
post #69 of 105
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Originally posted by glenw
... the cable in my area (Charlotte, NC) is serviced by Time Warner, which has unfortunately decided to go with the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 DVRs. These aren't bad (I've seen one in action), but pales in comparison to my UTVs and to the Moxis.

Anyway, can you tell me more about the Moxi Ticker ?? Would I get local weather and local sports scores, or is it more of a generic national info (CNN-like) ticker ??
We recently put a sign-up form on our website. If we get enough interest from folks in the Charlotte area, you can be sure we'll let TWC know y'all want Moxi.

As to Ticker, One of the benefits of cable vs. satellite is local distribution. Right now, the only local content is weather. Other local content (sports, traffic) is possible. But we'll need a larger installed base--and probably an advertising model--to make that feasible from a business perspective. One neat feature of the ticker is the ability to lock the ticker in place on a particular league or game. So if a local college or pro team has a current game you can get running updates.
post #70 of 105
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Originally posted by mrbill1957
Last night my Moxi box recorded the same episode of Designed to Sell twice. Guide data was the same and the series option was First Run only.
I've learned that we have a fix for this that will be included in a software update planned for later this year.
post #71 of 105
How would we get a fix?

Is it automatic?

Does Charter have to do something to send it down?

Do I have to get a new box?
post #72 of 105
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Originally posted by mrbill1957
How would we get a fix?
Is it automatic?
Does Charter have to do something to send it down?
Do I have to get a new box?
We have software updates in the pipeline. We test them and trial them with a small group of beta testers. Tweaks. bug fixes. More tests. Then we send them to Charter for further testing and validation. When Charter is happy with the build, they will download it to you. No new box. It just happens. One day you turn on your box and lots of stuff is better. It's likely you will see an update in a month or so.
post #73 of 105
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Originally posted by MoxiGuy
We recently put a sign-up form on our website. If we get enough interest from folks in the Charlotte area, you can be sure we'll let TWC know y'all want Moxi.
As the overused catchphrase says: Been there, done that.......

Hopefully more people in my area will sign up. Also, thanks for the info on the Moxi Ticker. I'm very intrigued by all of the future enhancements that have been announced.

One thing in particular that stands out is the ability to do "trick play" instant replay and instant skip with a standard DVD on the Moxi Plus. It amazes me how many DVD players leave out these 2 features. I guess DVR owners are just used to being able to jump back 8-10 seconds and skip ahead 30 seconds at the touch of a button.
post #74 of 105
Not having "instant replay" on my DVD player is the one thing that has bugged me to no end the last 2 years since I got my DirecTiVo!!!
Hopefully the DVD manufacturers will add this feature someday.

Rob
post #75 of 105
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Originally posted by radckh
Not having "instant replay" on my DVD player is the one thing that has bugged me to no end the last 2 years since I got my DirecTiVo!!!
Hopefully the DVD manufacturers will add this feature someday.
Rob
The 8-10 second instant replay is available on a select few DVD players (Samsung and RCA are 2 that I know of). The Samsung model even has an instant skip, but it's only 10 seconds instead of 30. I have a DVD recorder that I use to record movies from TNT, TBS, SciFi, etc. and I really miss the 30-second commercial skip that my UTVs do so well.
post #76 of 105
MoxiGuy, The BMC9022 sounds very interesting. I was wondering would I have to request an upgrade from my BMC9012 to the BMC9022 from Adelphia Cable Anaheim (if they have it) or can I go staright to Digeo?
post #77 of 105
BOBAFETT2005,
When the 9022 is released, you will need to go to Adelphia. Motorola and Digeo supply the products to your cable company, not direct to home customers.
post #78 of 105
(said in Homer Simpson voice)

Mmmmmm.......Moxxxxiiiiii........
post #79 of 105
I have a question?

Is it possible to use the RCA outputs on the box, and RECORD both SD and HD. Then later take to box, connect to an HD compatible display via the COMPONENT outputs and watch both the HD and SD content?
post #80 of 105
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Originally posted by cyost
Is it possible to use the RCA outputs on the box, and RECORD both SD and HD
Moxi records at the native resolution of the source. If the program is broadcast in HD, the recording is stored as HD. If the source is SD, then the recording is SD.

As for playback--the output can be any of the four available resolutions (480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i). Moxi can upscale or downscale any recording to match your TV.

So, if I understand your question correctly, the answer is yes, you can record an HD show and watch it today on an SD TV in 480i. If you later connect an HD display through component outpus, you can see that show at its original HD resolution.
post #81 of 105
Hey Moxiguy. Is there anyway to improve my picture on my analog channels. I have the BMC9012 connected to my HDTV though component cable. My pictue is much better when I connect my VCR to my HDTV using
S-Video. Also did I hear you right if you record a program say from a non HD channel (analog). When you play it back the Moxi should upscale the picture to HD ( I have my setting set to 1080i)?? Thanks again for all your comments in this thread. Oh one last thing is there anyway to hook my own external hard drive the system though one of the USB 2.0 ports. Or will we have to use your external box???
post #82 of 105
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Originally posted by bladexp
... Is there anyway to improve my picture on my analog channels...
The issue with analog channels lies in the way that MPEG2 compresses video. The issue is common to all DVRs. Moxi uses a very generous bit-rate to minimize the problem and folks with SD sets are generally happy with the picture quality. But on a good HD display MPEG artifacts are much more noticeable--especially when you switch from an HDTV program to encoded analog.

Here are a few things that some folks have tried that might help. You'll have to make your own decision about whether they are more trouble than they're worth.
  • Eliminate unnecessary and unused splitters in your cable set-up. The cleaner the signal coming into the BMC, the better result you'll have. (In my home set up, I paid my cable company to install a signal amplifer. It made a big difference.)
  • Switch the output resolution to 480i for analog channels. (This is a little inconvenient because you have to go to Settings and do it manually. Our next software upgrade will automatically switch output resolutions to match the incoming signal.) As you note, with the output set at 1080i, all analog programs are upscaled to the higher resolution. If you drop the output back to 480i, you won't eliminate the MPEG artifacts, but you will avoid compounding them in the process of scaling them up.
  • If you can tolerate one more level of inconvenience, try this and see if it helps: If you have an unused TV input, make a second connection from BMC to the TV through S-video. Then after you switch the output resolution to 480i, switch your TV input from component to S-video. Bear in mind, however, that when the BMC is outputting any resolution higher than 480i, the S-Video signal will go dark. Use the component input for HD and digital SD channels.
We're working on add-on drive solutions. I have no details to report yet.
post #83 of 105
Thanks for the tips. Here a suggestion, what about being able to set resolution per channel. For example set the unit to 480i for analog channels and set HDTV channels for 720p or 1080i. The best of both worlds so to speak. Duh I just read your post again and you say w/ the new software it will be done automatically. But will we be able to override that setting (ie set it manually). Another thing you could do is have say the S-video and the component ports both active at the same time so you could attach them both to the system.
post #84 of 105
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Originally posted by bladexp ...I just read your post again and you say w/ the new software it will be done automatically. But will we be able to override that setting (ie set it manually). Another thing you could do is have say the S-video and the component ports both active at the same time so you could attach them both to the system.
Here's how it works: you go through a routine in a new setting called "HDTV output." All possible resolutions are listed with check boxes. By default, 480i is checked. As you check each of the others, the box goes into a test mode at that resolution. If you see it, say yes. If you don't see it, wait, and it will pop back to 480i. At the end of the test, you'll have checked off however many resolutions you TV can handle. From then on, you'll either get an output that matches the input (if your TV can see it), or it will scale to the nearest resolution that works for you. So... if you want to force the output to only one resolution, that's still possible. Just arrange to keep only one box checked. (If that makes no sense now, it will when you get the update).

As for keeping S-video and component active.... there's a limitation in our video chip in that it can only output one resolution at a time. If you're at 480i, all outputs will be live. If you're in any higher resolution, then the s-video goes dark.
post #85 of 105
I did try some of your suggestion but was still unhappy with the picture on the analog channels. If it is the mpeg 2 decoding that is that problem why do DVD-Players not have the same issue as they must decode mpeg2 down to a analog signal. Another question is how do I hook up my PC to the BMC unit. I can see a Ethernet port on back, but when I connect a patch cable to it I just get a link light on my router.
post #86 of 105
Just curious:

Last night I hit the 30 second skip button and found out that it is now a 15 minute skip button!

Bah!

Is that Moxi or is it Charter?
post #87 of 105
Moxiguy are you still around ?????????
post #88 of 105
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Originally posted by bladexp
I did try some of your suggestion but was still unhappy with the picture on the analog channels. If it is the mpeg 2 decoding that is that problem why do DVD-Players not have the same issue as they must decode mpeg2 down to a analog signal. Another question is how do I hook up my PC to the BMC unit. I can see a Ethernet port on back, but when I connect a patch cable to it I just get a link light on my router.
There are two sides to MPEG2... encoding and decoding. Decoding takes much less processing power than encoding. All DVD players and digital set top boxes have processors that can decode an MPEG stream and get very high quality pictures--depending on how the source is encoded.

It's the encoding that's the hard part. For DVDs, programs are typically reviewed scene-by-scene to select the optimal bit-rate for the content. If you have a PC or Mac that can encode your home videos to DVD, you'll note that they typically don't do it in real time. Commercial DVDs, SD and HD digital TV all do the encoding with processors that are much more expensive than any mass-market DVR can afford to use. Encoding analog to MPEG2 in real time causes artifacts. Folks on these boards have posted that the signal they see from Moxi is no worse than what they see with other DVRs.

The application software for networking the BMC to your home PC will be part of a future release. Sorry, I haven't checked this thread in a while. Most of the action has moved over here.
post #89 of 105
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Originally posted by MoxiGuy
A series recording on Moxi will catch the show if the day and time changes, but it will be confined to a single channel. That way, for example you can set up for new episodes of Law & Order on NBC, and avoid the syndicated episodes running on TNT. If you want both, you would need to set two separate requests.

OK, maybe I'm missing something here because my Moxi box does not work the way you describe. If I set up a series for L&O on NBC (usually on the HD channel) I still get all the L&O's on TNT. This is a royal PITA. What am I doing wrong. BTW I did search this thread and the forum with no luck.

The ability to schedule series like L&O as you described is one of the features I use the most on my 2 ReplayTV's.

If I can't solve this one, I WILL be sending the box back to Charter.



Moxi and ReplayTV user in Birmingham, AL
post #90 of 105
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Originally posted by irvdon
Just curious:

Last night I hit the 30 second skip button and found out that it is now a 15 minute skip button!

Bah!

Is that Moxi or is it Charter?

YEAH! What the H !! This REALLY SUCKS. This makes the quick skip button TOTALLY useless. Sounds like a move to appease the advertisers at the expense of the viewers.

How about at least giving us the chance to set the operation of the skip function through the settings menu?


Pi$$ed in Birmingham.
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