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post #391 of 9109
Has anyone heard anymore information about the possibility of WITN picking up WeatherPlus when it rolls out to the rest of the affiliates after the testing phase? Or are they still going with the idea of creating a local news/weather channel. I see the radar is still up and running currently. They must have some sort of plans for 7.2.

On that same note, in another thread over in the programming section, someone in the biz mentioned the possibility of one of our local stations picking up and broadcasting ota the WB as a subchannel. Anyone willing to hedge any bets on which station it will be?

WCTI doesn't look like a candidate since Ken12 doesn't have the bandwith available. WITN wouldn't if they go with WeatherPlus. That leaves WNCT and WFXI/WYDO. Don't think it would be WFXI/WYDO for obvious reasons. Anyone heard from anyone at WNCT about them adding the WB as a subchannel?

Ken12, how goes the psip data project. I remember you guys were having some problems with that. Haven't seen any updates to the programming guide here.

Has anyone noticed that WITN has now programmed WITN DTV Program with WITN Digital Programming in the info section? Is this new? I don't recall having seen that before. They must be gearing up for Feb 1st when all stations must offer psip data.

Still haven't seen anything psip related to WNCT. Anybody heard anything about WFXI/WYDO testing at the very least down in Morehead City? Didn't they say at one point that they would be doing that in December?
post #392 of 9109
WFXI must be doing something, yesterday the color on 8 was real good, and today it is bad again...
Also do you think it is PAX that will broadcast WB! They have plenty of bandwidth over at 35.1
I heard on EYEWITNESS news 9 one time that they were thinking of bringing another television station to the area, but that has been at least 6 mnths ago.
post #393 of 9109
I don't think it's going to be PAX that brings the WB. I don't think the WB programming is in line with the PAX network's moral compass. It might give them leverage to get all of their channels on cable systems, but I really don't think it's going to be PAX. If anything, it's going to be WNCT or WFXI/WYDO. I'm hoping for WNCT since WFXI/WYDO isn't even on the air yet digitally. We'd be waiting forever. My best bet would be WNCT, unless WITN beats them to the punch. Hopefully, it won't turn out to be just speculation.
post #394 of 9109
I'm doubtful that they'll be carrying it over the air. The only market over #99 (Savannah; Greenville is something like 102) with an OTA WB station is Reno/Carson City, NV if I recall correctly. Why would that start to change, especially if the network STILL would not be in HD?

Now I had heard at one point something about TW buying WEPX (38), but I'm doubtful of that too.

- Trip
post #395 of 9109
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Originally posted by jspENC
I heard on EYEWITNESS news 9 one time that they were thinking of bringing another television station to the area, but that has been at least 6 mnths ago.

What exactly did the report say? Was there anymore information given about it?
post #396 of 9109
foxeng or Ken12,

Can you clear up a question I have regarding PSIP information in the EPG? I know stations must pass this along as of Feb 1, 2005. Do they have to offer specific programming information. Or do stations have the option of passing along something generic like "Station X DTV Programming"? Just curious because I've noticed over the past few days, stations here and in RDU have started filling their EPG with the generic PSIP information.
post #397 of 9109
Quote:
Originally posted by easternncnewswat
foxeng or Ken12,

Can you clear up a question I have regarding PSIP information in the EPG? I know stations must pass this along as of Feb 1, 2005. Do they have to offer specific programming information. Or do stations have the option of passing along something generic like "Station X DTV Programming"? Just curious because I've noticed over the past few days, stations here and in RDU have started filling their EPG with the generic PSIP information.

I suspect the reason you haven't seen any real data yet is because at the moment, the easiest way to get the data is through a subscription service and most stations haven't spent the money yet to turn that service on. Most traffic systems do not have the interface for EPG yet, even though most if not all should have something available by Feb 1. You should see more guides filling up as we closer to Feb 1.

Here is the actual wording from the FCC in the 2nd DTV Report and Order on PSIP tables. the EIT (Event Information Table) is the legal term for EPG:

"We expect broadcasters to populate the required tables and descriptors with the proper information to help receivers assemble functioning guides. All tables and descriptors that require one time setup should be set correctly, including TSID, Short Channel Name, Service Type, Modulation Mode, Source ID, and Service Location Descriptor. ATSC A/65B also requires that broadcasters send populated EITs covering at least a 12 hour period. These EITs should be populated with the correct information, so that the user knows what programs are on for this 12 hour period."

Most if not all stations would have more than 12 hours since 12 hours doesn't help DVRs and such.
post #398 of 9109
foxeng,

Thanx for the quick response. I wasn't sure if I had missed the details you just gave over previous posts. But yeah, in the past two days, I've noticed this generic "Station X DTV Program" popping up on almost all the stations I receive. It's nice to know that very soon, I'll be able to use my episode guide and timer functions on my stb. I definately want this for ABC and Fox since they are no longer available on Dish Network. Well, I don't have my East/West feeds anymore is what I should say. I don't feel it nescessary to pay for my locals on satellite when I can get it ota.

Anyways, thanx for the information. Nice to know.
post #399 of 9109
Quote:
Originally posted by easternncnewswat
What exactly did the report say? Was there anymore information given about it?

[/size] o If I remember correctly, they were talking about how the market is growing and that we did not have very many choices in viewing options. They said they were exploring the possiblilities of opening another station, but that whether or not it would be WNCT who made the first move or someone else was a big question mark.
post #400 of 9109
I would like to see a LIVE VIPIR 9 channel. 4 live weather radars piercing through the atmosphere at over 4 million watts. :0
post #401 of 9109
*LOL*

Just remember Live Vipir 9 is not live; it's all a hype thing. The only true live radar in this area is truly Witn's doppler. All the rest, WNCT and WCTI, is smoke and mirrors. It's the National Weather Service radar from Newport that you can get online with the same 6 minute delay.

I always chuckle when I see the promo for WTVD's 6 radar's keeping you covered. Just composite NWS radars. I hope the tv folks don't really think the average viewer is that stupid. I mean really, do they think that we think they've bought 6 radars? *lmao*
post #402 of 9109
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Originally posted by easternncnewswat
I mean really, do they think that we think they've bought 6 radars? *lmao*

WFMY here bought 2 dopplers. One at their studio and one out in the country west of Winston-Salem. It hasn't seemed to help their ratings much. We don't have a doppler radar and just use NWS and we have good ratings so Super-Duper-Put-Some-Cheese-On-My-Whopper-Doppler isn't all it is cracked up to be sometimes.
post #403 of 9109
Well, I can see buying 2 dopplers, but 6? *LOL*

That's hillarious about the super duper put some cheese on my doppler whopper thing!

Actually, I tend to watch WCTI's weather more often than not without them having a live radar. I think weather comes down to who you trust to give you an accurate forecast. Either that or just look at the window! *lol*

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Live Vipir 9 as a subchannel on WNCT or a full fledged weather channel. I'll have to talk to someone I know over there and see what their plans are. Maybe I can find out if they're in talks to put the WB on ota as a sub.

I know everybody thinks any multicasting will destroy HDTV; at least that seems to be the overwhelming opinion from the thread I've been following over in the programming section. But seriously, I don't think a subchannel or 2 will kill hdtv. I'm constantly amazed at how good WRAZ's broadcast looks with a 2 SD channels. JMHO.

I definately don't want to get anybody riled up on here. Different strokes for different folks.
post #404 of 9109
I thought with 4 radars going at the same time you would get updates about every minute?
Also the WITN doppler is slow. I would guess it takes a minute and a half for that thing to go all the way around. it does not even come close to giving the viewers detailed information that the radar maps at WNCT give. When David Sawyer was there he could work the radars better than anyone else at the station.
post #405 of 9109
Nope; not to my understanding anyway. Unless a station owns it's on doppler and it's parked in the back yard, etc., they pull their images from the National Weather Service. That data tends to be between 6-10 minutes old by the time the viewer "sees" it. You can imagine what this means for a fast moving storm. This is not just stations in our area but everywhere.

I agree that I do like the Live Vipir information that shows the insides of the storm, etc and allows some nifty graphic manipulations by the met, the data still isn't current.

Here's my take on weather presentations here in eastern nc. All of this is my own opinion and like other things, everybody has one: *LOL*

WITN: Too generic. Both in presentation, maps, doppler, etc. Great internet presence with First Alert Weather! Thumbs up on that. My biggest beef with WITN's weather has been that it's very lacking on the detail. Usually, they give you a quick glimpse at the map and then it's on with the forecast. Although I do like it when they show that's visible image satellite pics of snowfall on the ground like our most recent snow/ice storm. That's pretty nifty!

WNCT: Too flashy, not enough substance. I like the new local graphics incorporating the terrain of eastern nc; clouds rolling by, rain and/or snow falling across the east. I like the pics of cities with the forecast; nice shot of ECU, the Camp Lejeune sign, Washington or New Bern waterfront. I wish somebody would lease a helicopter and get some cityscapes though. I mean, I know were not Raleigh or Charlotte, but it'd be nice to see some buildings. Explaining the weather has improved a bit, but still not enough detail for me. I want to know why it's going to ice here but snow in Raleigh. Great graphic manipulations with radar images as mentioned above. Absolutely hate their US satellite, model, etc; looks so 60's!

Although, as a side note, during hurricane season this year, Phillip William's scared the **** out of me telling me a tornado was heading toward my house! I can do without crapping in my pants! j/k!

WCTI: Good forecasting, but too southern tier focused much like their news. I love the forecasts on 12. Oftentimes, Skip, Bobby or Jonathan tell the viewer in layman's terms the exact weather discussion from the NWS. Love the use of maps: water vapor, satellite, radar composites. Nice to see someone has their own forecasting model around here; Precisioncast. Wish they had their own Doppler! *LOL* Would like to see some updated maps though; looking a little dated now. Wish they'd tie in with WeatherBug. I used to love WAVY's when I lived on the OBX!

Anyway that's my two cents on the weather. Enjoy! *LOL* j/k!
post #406 of 9109
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Originally posted by easternncnewswat
That's hillarious about the super duper put some cheese on my doppler whopper thing!

In my radio days one of the morning guys did this recurring weather man skit and that is what he called his "radar." It was good for a laugh on morning radio back in the late 80's, so I stole it!
post #407 of 9109
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Originally posted by easternncnewswat
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Live Vipir 9 as a subchannel on WNCT or a full fledged weather channel. I'll have to talk to someone I know over there and see what their plans are. Maybe I can find out if they're in talks to put the WB on ota as a sub.

I know everybody thinks any multicasting will destroy HDTV; at least that seems to be the overwhelming opinion from the thread I've been following over in the programming section. But seriously, I don't think a subchannel or 2 will kill hdtv. I'm constantly amazed at how good WRAZ's broadcast looks with a 2 SD channels. JMHO.

If you have someone who knows what they are doing and they have the right dynamic mux equipment, like they do at Capital, you can do multicasting within reason. I am not a huge fan of multicasting with an HD channel, but there is a place for it on SD only stations or stations with good engineering departments and owners who don't mind spending what it takes to make a good signal, but some of those guys in the programming section really have no clue what they are talking about and since they saw some mutlicasting that didn't look right (and there is PLENTY of it out there) it must be bad all around. I have just started ignoring those few who are just insanely rabid about it since no matter what you say, you are a shill or idiot. Best let that sleeping dog lie.
post #408 of 9109
Insanely rabid... I think I know one that you are talking about. I groan when I see that he's posted.

You're right about CBC; fantastic job with the multicasting. I only see the slightest glitch on Wral Weather Center channel when they are running football in HD. And still the SD simulcast looks awesome.

I asked today in the Raleigh thread if anyone knew anything about WNCN dropping their SD channel since they are running WeatherPlus and have their HD channel. Their SD channel is really suffering and seems almost pointless now. The only response I got, not from anyone affiliated with WNCN, was that the engineer had posted some upgrades were coming to the equipment. Maybe that will solve the problem. Time will tell.

I'd love to be able to get WB22 or UPN 28 from RDU. I get WB22 9 times out of 10, but it's been a bit sketchy lately. Plus, it's reverted to 57.1 with no PSIP or anything anymore. It's odd that the station personnel haven't taken notice or maybe they have and we as the viewer just don't know it. I assume maybe the station is upgrading equipment.

I'd still like to see an ota WB for the Greenville/New Bern/Washington market. I guess at this point it probably is pointless since most people have cable or satellite, but some of us still like ota broadcasts.

I'm all for having more programming options ota. It's still better picture quality, etc. than satellite or cable.

Maybe a station around here could offer me some alternative internet service. One thing's for sure, Sprint isn't getting off it's ass to offer me high speed internet even though it's available 3 or 4 miles down the road.

Or maybe I still don't understand that whole datacasting thing. I'll learn as I go with a little help from others in and outside the business. *LOL*

Sorry for that final rant.
post #409 of 9109
easternncnewswat,
I agree with you a lot about the weather reports in our area! WITN is still using the same maps they had back in the 70's. They need a new nighttime meteorologist in my opinion. I can never really interpret what the guy is trying to tell me. Not near enough explanation in my opinion.
When I was a little younger I used to watch Skip all the time. But for the last ten years or so I find myself flipping around at 5pm to other stations. I also wish 12 had a real time radar. Maybe one in New Bern and another in Greenville. I like their weathermaps though a lot.
WNCT has been my favorite though around here for a while. They seem to be more accurate with their predictions than the others. But they need a little more explanation in the weather segment. And lately they have gotten better with more maps or current temperatures and frontal system maps. I would like to see jet stream maps more often though.

Also this morning on WITN they are bragging about their ratings with a commercial clip. They say more people are watching them in the morning than WNCT or WCTI combined. And that they are number one at Eleven PM.
I have a hard time beleiving that morning thing.
I wonder who wins at noon and 6. Here is my guess-WCTI at noon and WNCT at 6...?
post #410 of 9109
Well, as of February last year, this was the way the ratings were trending. Keep in mind, this was what I was told by someone that works at one of the local stations.

Mornings: WITN by a considerable margin. Helps that the Today show is the number one rated morning show. WNCT is 2nd, WCTI is 3rd.

Noon: WNCT, thank you Bob Barker and The Price Is Right. WITN 2nd, WCTI is 3rd.

5 PM: WCTI, thank you Oprah. WITN is 2nd, WNCT is 3rd.

6 PM: WNCT, although it was neck and neck with WITN. WCTI brought up the rear.

11 PM: WNCT, neck and neck again with WITN. WCTI finishes the day on a losing note.

Keep in mind, some of this could have changed by now; ABC's prime is up, NBC's is down, CBS is holding pretty steady. I doubt it though. WITN is now winning probably most of the newscasts now that they've moved their 7 feet of Cash to almost all their newscasts. Never underestimate greed to keep a viewer watching! What happens when 7 feet of Cash isn't going on? I guess, we the viewer, will never know except what we're told.

Keep in mind, ratings around here are only tabulated for sweeps periods; February, May, the lesser know August, I believe, and November.

Hope that tells you what you want to know good or bad.
post #411 of 9109
FYI for everyone:

WCTI is passing PSIP for ABC 12 and UPN 48 again!
post #412 of 9109
For those of you who have a burning desire to learn about PSIP in an ATSC OTA world, here is a URL that has some interesting items and has info from the newbie to the experienced.

http://www.trivenidigital.com/PSIP/fccpsip.html
post #413 of 9109
Thank you for the ratings scoop easternncnewswat,
I think it is mostly good news.
Phillip Williams must have read this board, because tonight he showed the jet stream on a map during the weather segment!
post #414 of 9109
*LOL*

Someone you know might have mentioned this board to him just recently...



Either that or maybe some station engineers are lurking here and just haven't said anything to us caused we've dissed them before. In which case, we probably deserve that. *LOL*
post #415 of 9109
Well I hope they don't take our rantings personally, I feel as Ken 12 said before that the engineers are doing the best they can with what equipment they have to work with. I hope they all will join us so we can help them out with what reception questions they might have. One thing the station owners and managers should work on is covering the entire market with a signal and not leaving people out of the coverage area.
post #416 of 9109
I saw tonight during Wheel of Fortune that they are looking for people responsible for stealing transmission line from WNCT/WITN. Who could use this except another television station?
post #417 of 9109
Quote:


Originally posted by jspENC
I saw tonight during Wheel of Fortune that they are looking for people responsible for stealing transmission line from WNCT/WITN. Who could use this except another television station?

Transmission line is made of copper and for high power TV stations, it comes in 6 to 9 inch diameters in 20 foot lengths. Nice recycling change.
post #418 of 9109
Hmm...

I've been out of town for a few days so that's why I haven't been posting... What happened to everyone else that used to frequent our forum for Eastern NC?

Anybody seen, heard, or know anything new?

jspENC, interesting about the transmission line... Why would it be running between WNCT and WITN? I don't get it? Maybe this has to do with feeding the signal to DirecTV. Didn't jamielee say that WNCT is where the DirecTV host facility is?

Did anyone read in the Reflector recently that WITN wants to purchase the land where the Bucanneer theatre used to be on Arlington? From what I remember about the article, WITN wants to build a new studio on that location. No time table was given that I remember.

In the intersting or not so interesting, depending on how you look at it, while I was in the Tri-Cities of Tennessee, I noticed the CBS affiliate is a Media General holding. The set, graphics, music, etc. was identical to WNCT's. They also have a subchannel that they run full time alongside their HD channel. I felt like I was watching Eyewitness News although they are branded NewsChannel 11 and the weather pkg graphics were similar but a bit better than WNCT's.

I noticed tonight that WCTI had detailed information in the programming guide of some of it's shows. It looks like it runs out at 8 p.m. on 12.1. 12.3 goes well past 11 p.m. No detailed information on the programming guide for 12.3 though.

I was hoping something fantastic had happened in Eastern NC dtv since I've been away... Darn!

Hope everyone is doing well.
post #419 of 9109
Welcome back easternncnewswat, I was getting bored!

About the Transmission line,

It was laying at the WNCT/WITN transmitter facility in Grifton on the ground. According to the crimestopper ad it was worth $70,000 I believe. the pictures of it showed long tubes as foxeng described. They are still running the ad on WITN. Maybe it was the old line before they redid the tower feed for HDTV?
Also by the way since you mention media generals stations, WBTW is owned by them, Channel 13 Florence SC and they also are simular to WNCT graphics.
post #420 of 9109
Ok, now I understand about the transmission line. I didn't understand that someone had tried to steal it; after being on the road since 7 this morning, I obviously couldn't comprehend what you and foxeng were talking about.

I guess most big media corporations want their holdings to be similiar in nature. I was amazed though that WCBY was virtually identical; right down to the news desk. I believe the subchannel they are running is the WB. This was mentioned in the Tri-Cities thread. Additionally, they previously ran another subchannel with a weather radar. My understanding is that they dropped that though.

Maybe WNCT and Media General will bring a WB ota to Eastern NC. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
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