Rochester, NY - HDTV - Page 63

To be clear, the remote is powering both devices up properly, just as it always has. The problem is in the DVR negotiating with/connecting to the TV. Both the TV and the DVR are powering up, it's just that the DVR is not sending output to the TV unless I power the TV up first.

Now it sounds like a HDMI problem. I would try a different HDMI Cable because the cable could be bad. If that doesn't work try a different HDMI input on your tv because it could be a bad port on the box or the tv. If that doesn't work i would switch to component or call tw & get a new box.

That's not a likely solution. The problem is pretty clearly an issue with the handshake that takes place with the cable box and the TV and is the sort of thing that crops up when the cable box software is changed.

All TW boxes have navigator software on it & I've never had or heard of any problems with the handshake between the TV & the box until now so that's why i through it was the HDMI Cable or the HDMI port. Maybe the software on the box doesn't like your TV. I would see if the problem is the TV's software or the Navigator Software on your box by connecting the box to another tv & see what happens when you turn them on.

Actually, there are two basic types of Navigator software: MDN and ODN. MDN runs on the older boxes that don't have CableCARDs (such as the 8300HD) while ODN runs on the newer boxes that do have CableCARDS (such as the 8300HDC). The Navigator thread here on AVS are full of people (with both types of Crapigator) with handshake issues.

TW is constantly revising both types of SW and issues such as this (and the resolution change problem) constantly crop up.


The SW doesn't "see" the TV when the box is first powered up - so it can't "like" or "dislike" the TV. This is the way that HDCP (the handshake part of the SW) should work! (Box doesn't know if the device it is sourcing is legitimate, so it won't send the signal.)

Thanks for the info in your post dave. If i ever have this problem (hoping i don't) i would call TW & complain or get a new box.

noticed a new tw HD channel in rochester...CBS SPORTS NETWORK. so far i like it. has a espn style

It's not new. We've had that channel in SD for years and years, had it in HD for 2 or 3 years now. It used to be called College Sports TV, then CBS College Sports about a year ago it simply became CBS Sports Network. The channel is typically part of the Sports Pass. If you don't subscribe to the Sports Pass, and just noticed the channel now, I'm guessing the channel is in free preview mode due to March Madness.

ah ok thx steve! and i don't subscribe to sports pass so that must be it

TW Sports Pass has been in free preview mode on my cable box ever since MSG was removed from our channel lineup. I'm not subscribed to sports pass & i normally don't watch any of those channels but i want to know why they would give me a free preview for 2-3 months.

They gave everyone the Sports Pass for January and February while MSG was missing, to try to mitigate the loss of MSG.

I know TW gave us Sports Pass for free when we lost MSG. I want to know why TW is giving me Sports Pass in march when i'm not subscribed to it or paying for it.

Anybody know what's up with them? They don't answer email. Is it possible wroc protested when they started using channel 46, even though FCC approved? Haven't seen it on in over a week.

They're back on tonight... still curious what is up

probably still getting all the kinks worked out

Last night when i was watching Storage Wars Texas the information screen on my cable box showed the information for the 10PM Episode when the 10:30PM episode was on until i hit the pause button. When i hit play it showed the correct information again. Also when i change channels the same information screen showed 0:00 for the start & stop time for 5 seconds then it shows the correct information. I don't know why this is happening or what's causing it. I've tried rebooting my cable box more than once & the problem continues. I'll appreciate any help you can give me.

Question for those with DirecTV, what local channels do you guys get in HD, 8, 10, 13, 21, 31, anything else? And does the Rochester area get Pittsburgh Pirates and Cleveland Indians games in the clear like we do in the Buffalo area if you have the Sports Pak? I don't think those teams claim Rochester but I'm not sure. I'm thinking about 'moving'.

DirecTV offers all of the locals you listed above in HD. DirecTV doesn't offer the CW network so if your interested in getting that station you would need cable or an antenna. What Station are you watching the Pittsburgh Pirates and Cleveland Indians games on because i've never heard of them?

I'm not really interested in the CW HD. I get WNLO HD on cable on 1016 and never watch it, it's not in HD on DirecTV. I'm not sure where the team boundaries end, but in addition to the NY Yankees and NY Mets, the Cleveland Indians and Pittsburgh Pirates are also home teams' for Buffalo. I'm not sure how far it extends, but here in Erie Country, if you subscribe to DirecTV and you have the Sports Pak, you can see the Pirates games in the clear on Root Sports Pittsburgh and the Indians games in the clear on Sports Time Ohio. I'm wondering if I move' (IE change the service address on my DirecTV account to one in the Rochester area while keeping the billing address the same), if I'll still be able to get those teams in the clear. I'm not really a fan of either of those teams, I just like having baseball games to flip though. For the first time in 3 seasons, I'm not planning on subscribing to MLB Extra Innings as I'd rather get NFL ST next year.

Basically, I'd rather have Rochester locals over Buffalo locals. That's all I'm trying to accomplish here, but wondering in doing so, if I'll lose the extra baseball games. Every once in a while I used to watch the Rochester local channels via QAM and preferred them over their Buffalo counterparts. It's was fun when channel 4 was pulled, I'd just connect the cable line directly to the back of the TV, do a scan and tune to wherever WROC HD was located so I could watch the Bills and my CBS primetime shows. Having an alternative set of local channels, might make my time with DirecTV more pleasent. Buffalo locals on cable, Rochester locals on satellite. I could live with that.

I looked at DirecTV's web site & you should be able to get Root Sports Pittsburgh & Sports Time Ohio in Rochester. Their Website also says DirecTV offers CW Network in Rochester but i read somewhere on here they don't. (Can't remember where exactly.) Just wondering why aren't you changing your Billing address? In Your last Sentence above you said
You can't get Buffalo's Locals on cable in Monroe County & DirecTV won't let anybody get Rochester Locals in Buffalo so i'm a little confused on why you said that.

I don't live in Monroe County, I live on the very eastern edge of Erie County in Marilla, so my cable service is out of TW Rochester, since I reside in Erie County, I am exclusive to the Buffalo market, so I only get Buffalo locals on cable using the digital cable box, I can get Rochester locals on QAM though. In Genesee County, Rochester clams significantly viewed status so you guys get Rochester locals in addition to Buffalo on cable. I have both cable and DirecTV, and instead of having two sets of Buffalo locals, I'd like to have access to Rochester locals as well as Buffalo. So that's where having Buff with cable and Roch with DirecTV comes in. This can be achieved by what, on internet message boards is referred to as moving' (notice the quotations), where you don't really move but tell DirecTV that you did. You keep your billing address the same (So your bill and any other materials get sent to your actual address) but change your service address on the account. And boom! You now have a new set of locals. The legitimate use of this can be say for example I had a cabin somewhere that is claimed by a different TV market and was planning to stay there for a while, I could call DirecTV and tell them that I'm staying somewhere else for a period of time.

The issue that comes into play is since your service address changes, so do the sports teams you are authorized to view. The Sabres are my main concern, but that's irrelevant since most of Upstate NY gets the Sabres as their home NHL team. Yes, DirecTV carries Root Sports Pitt and STO in Rochester (So long as you have the Sports Pak you can view them), and everywhere else in the country, but it's the blackout policy I'm inquiring about, if the Pirates and/or the Indians territory expands into the Rochester DMA or not.

Now i understand what your trying to do. I don't know how the Blackout Policy will affect the Pirates & Indians games but you won't have any problems watching the sabres after you move your service address. You could ask DirecTV if the Rochester DMA is part of the Pirates/Indians Territory.

Looks pretty good too. They aren't making a big deal about it.

update...now that im looking at it longer im not so sure its actual HD...O_O

That's not new. YNN has been in HD for a while now. I think YNN started broadcasting in HD sometime in 2010.

wow really? i cant believe its been 2 years since ive tuned in to YNN HD...and the last time I did i know i saw bars on the sides...

A lot of "HD" newscasts these days feature SD material blown up to fill the 16x9 frame by cutting off the top & bottom. This includes many news shots on network shows as well as some local field items on WHEC.

According to the latest Legal Notifications, TV Guide Channel HD gets launched on May 22 in Rochester on channel 1091. And on May 8th 1092 will removed. Looks like all future Sabres games will be on 1043.

I saw the same legal notice & was wondering why are they now moving the sabres from 1092 to 1043?

Is MLBHD on 1070 New or did they just change the logo?

MLB Network HD has been on for a few years now, ever since it launched. It was just a logo update. Last night TW updated the logos for MLB Network HD, IFC HD and TV Japan. They still need to updated the logos for Fox Movie Channel, now called FXM, again, the SD feed of TCM, they need to get a logo for TV Guide Channel, WNLO HD, and get HD logos for H2 HD, Tru TV HD and a few others.