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post #2071 of 2482
I am not sure what locals Steve gets since he is in the Buffalo viewing area. I believe that the local Rochester CW is not offered to him ? Only he can answer this. But I am certain that my friend down the street had the race on the CW and ESPN on Saturday night.
post #2072 of 2482
Keep in mind that this was not a "CW" offering (they probably had their regular offering) but was a local decision by WHAM. So what WHAM did with their CW channel here has nothing to do with what is on the CW in Buffalo.
post #2073 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Racerbob View Post

I am not sure what locals Steve gets since he is in the Buffalo viewing area. I believe that the local Rochester CW is not offered to him ? Only he can answer this. But I am certain that my friend down the street had the race on the CW and ESPN on Saturday night.

Legally, I’m supposed to get Buffalo locals only. Living in Erie Country, Buffalo locals are the only locals I’m allowed to receive and they are the only set of locals I can get with a cable box. I do get Rochester locals via unencrypted QAM, and with DirecTV, since I ‘moved’ so I can get Roc locals. On cable, Rochester locals do claim significantly viewed status in Orleans, Genesee and Wyoming Counties, which are a part of the Buffalo market as you probably know. So in those areas, they get all of the Buffalo locals and most of the Rochester locals. However, WHAM CW is not available at in Genesee and Wyoming, and available in very limited part or Orleans, on Time Warner, if I remember correctly. Combine that with those of us on the very eastern edge of Erie and Niagara counties, and you have a decent size of the Buffalo market that couldn’t have watched the race at all, HD or SD, if Time Warner in Rochester didn’t carry it on ESPN.

Was this a goof up on Time Warner’s part, or did they actually think about those of us that live in the rural areas between Buffalo suburbia and Rochester? Who knows, but I’m glad I got to see Bristol in HD.
post #2074 of 2482
TW didn't do a good job of telling us the Bristol race was available on ESPN. Since i live in Genesee County WHAM CW is not a part of my channel lineup but it's available on clear qam which is how i watched the race. If i knew the race was on ESPN i would have switched the channel right away. When i learned WKBW & WHAM were showing Buffalo Bills instead of Nascar i got so mad that i called both stations & yelled at them at the top of my lungs until i lost my voice for a couple of hours. How did you hear the Bristol race would be on ESPN instead of ABC? Just wondering if anybody with DirecTV or Dish was able to see the Bristol race?
post #2075 of 2482
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How did you hear the Bristol race would be on ESPN instead of ABC?

It was mentioned in the Sports section of the Buffalo News' website last week Tuesday. Mentioned other places throughout the week as well.

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sports_ink/2012/08/saturday-nights-nascar-race-at-bristol-set-to-air-on-espn-locally.html
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Just wondering if anybody with DirecTV or Dish was able to see the Bristol race?

On ESPN, nope. I didn't even think to check the ESPN Alternate channels, but I seriously doubt it.
post #2076 of 2482
I read the daily news online & they didn't tell me the race was moving to ESPN. My aunt told me they always put the race schedule for the weekend in Friday's paper & it said ABC. No Mention of ESPN anywhere. I just found the same news article from the buffalo news on ESPN's website & they have the ESPN alternate channel numbers listed for Dish & DirecTV which makes me think that's were the Bristol race could be seen on Satellite TV.
post #2077 of 2482
It was not on ESPN on D*. It was in the guide to be on channel 210 on D* which is an ESPN alternate channel. Of course, the race is an ABC/ESPN production. So, in Buffalo the CW channel was not affected. They showed their regular programming. In the Rochester market, WHAM TV runs the CW channel (16,1016 on TW cable) and stated during the week that the race would be on that channel. TW made a mistake and did not black out ESPN on Saturday night in Rochester. The race was only supposed to be broadcast on ESPN in the Buffalo market. The ESPN in Rochester was supposed to be showing some high school game. I watched the CW off the air waves. Forgot that my son took my longer length of coax and I could not hook up to view the race using clear QAM.
post #2078 of 2482
Does anyone have any info on WBGT-CA RF46 signal.
Are they at full power???
Their signal looks like it should be good at 15kw non-directional,
but I have only been able to see this station twice.
While the other low power channels such as RF42 and
RF36 analogue come in crystal clear much of the time.

I am directly across the lake only 58 miles from the transmitter.
post #2079 of 2482
Across the lake from where? Please put your location in your profile.
post #2080 of 2482
I'm in Brighton, ON directly across from Rochester.
post #2081 of 2482
WBGT dt seems off the air more than on. They don't answer email.
post #2082 of 2482
I just wish someone knew. There is no way that a 15kw ND signal
a mere 58 miles away would rarely ever reach me.
I often get low power stations from Syracuse and Buffalo
much farther away with weaker power.
post #2083 of 2482
Channel 8 launches its HD newscasts today. Anyone care to speculate how long it will be before Channel 10 makes the switch to HD? Their ratings are likely to suffer being the sole holdout in SD.
post #2084 of 2482
I have to say, I’m pretty impressed by the overall quality of the channel 8 news in HD. I think channel 13 looks crisper, but channel 8 appears richer and has better color definition and saturation. Especially the weather. Damn, their new weather set up is pretty slick!
post #2085 of 2482
Watching 8.1 WROC in HD right now....... Scott Hesko's weather in HD.... awesome!!!
WHEC has got to get with the game.
post #2086 of 2482
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Originally Posted by lokilarry View Post

Yep, It's looking good. However, notice that the commercials are still SD, which also means no syndicated programming (Jeopardy etc.) in HD.
Which makes them the same as WHAM! eek.gif
post #2087 of 2482
What hardware do 8 & 13 lack in order to broadcast syndicated shows in HD? All the Buffalo stations broadcast their syndicated shows like Jeopardy, Dr. Oz, Wheel of Fortune in HD.
post #2088 of 2482
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Originally Posted by tjdean View Post

What hardware do 8 & 13 lack in order to broadcast syndicated shows in HD? All the Buffalo stations broadcast their syndicated shows like Jeopardy, Dr. Oz, Wheel of Fortune in HD.
It usually is just not a single piece of equipment that any station lacks, but a whole series of things:
  • First, they need to receive the program in HD - meaning that they need a HD satellite receiver for EACH PROGRAM SOURCE (keep in mind that there are many different syndicated program sources). Also note that, even today, there are lots of programs (the some of the "Judge" shows, for example) that are not yet HD.
  • Then the station needs HD servers to capture those shows in HD for playout later.
  • From that point, the station needs Infrastructure (cabling, routers, etc.) that support HD. Often this includes automation systems.

Usually, local stations (including channel 10) have implemented HD in small (even "Jerry-rigged") steps. Back when digital TV started (and most all stations were mostly analog), stations would use simple small switches that would feed the digital transmitter either from the regular SD stream or the network HD feed. Remember all those times that stations would "forget" to "throw the switch" for HD? When the actual transition came (and analog was shut off), other expedient solutions were found.

The addition of HD News often means the rebuilding of the newsroom control room, change in field equipment to HD (though HD field cameras can operate in 16:9 SD mode for transmission via the field truck SD microwave link). But often the newsroom control room is one thing, while the Master Control (and infrastructure) is something else. Like in the early days of HD, a simple switch can be used to used to switch between the HD Network, the HD Newsroom and the regular SD infrastructure.

As I understand it, the costs to change the rest of the infrastructure used to be VERY expensive - so local stations would do the bare minimum. This has been particularly true in a down economy and with increased competition for viewership from cable channels and the Internet. But costs have been coming way down, so we will likely see more total HD integration in the future.

BTW: I do not mean to minimize the addition of HD news - it is a major task, and stations that accomplish that as well as both Channels 8/31 and 13 are to be congratulated. It is a BIG step towards total integration of HD.
post #2089 of 2482
I just read on time warner cable's website for our area they will start offering Digital Adapters around October 10th & they will be free through November 2013. After that each adapter will be $0.99 each month. The site doesn't say when they will stop using analog channels. The Easy Setup guide they posted says the digital adapters they are offering us will support HD because it can be connected to the tv with an HDMI cable or a coax cable. TW never told me they were doing this because i just read the information on tw's website for the very first time. They better tell me soon when they will stop using analog channels because my den tv doesn't have a box & i use it to watch nascar on the weekend or if my box is recording 2 shows at once.

Here is a link to the site: http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeast/support/topic.ashx/Digital+Adapters
post #2090 of 2482
If anyone figures out how to order the digital adapters on-line , as per the instructions in the above link by MPNASCAR23, please share.
post #2091 of 2482
I have a Tivo Series 2 Dual Tuner model hooked up to my basement TV. According to Tivo, most Digital Adapters don't support devices that contain more than one tuner. Tivo says to contact the cable company to discuss options.

Does anyone know which analog channels Time Warner is going to shut off? Maybe all of them?

/Don
post #2092 of 2482
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

It usually is just not a single piece of equipment that any station lacks, but a whole series of things:
  • First, they need to receive the program in HD - meaning that they need a HD satellite receiver for EACH PROGRAM SOURCE (keep in mind that there are many different syndicated program sources). Also note that, even today, there are lots of programs (the some of the "Judge" shows, for example) that are not yet HD.
  • Then the station needs HD servers to capture those shows in HD for playout later.
  • From that point, the station needs Infrastructure (cabling, routers, etc.) that support HD. Often this includes automation systems.
Usually, local stations (including channel 10) have implemented HD in small (even "Jerry-rigged") steps. Back when digital TV started (and most all stations were mostly analog), stations would use simple small switches that would feed the digital transmitter either from the regular SD stream or the network HD feed. Remember all those times that stations would "forget" to "throw the switch" for HD? When the actual transition came (and analog was shut off), other expedient solutions were found.
The addition of HD News often means the rebuilding of the newsroom control room, change in field equipment to HD (though HD field cameras can operate in 16:9 SD mode for transmission via the field truck SD microwave link). But often the newsroom control room is one thing, while the Master Control (and infrastructure) is something else. Like in the early days of HD, a simple switch can be used to used to switch between the HD Network, the HD Newsroom and the regular SD infrastructure.
As I understand it, the costs to change the rest of the infrastructure used to be VERY expensive - so local stations would do the bare minimum. This has been particularly true in a down economy and with increased competition for viewership from cable channels and the Internet. But costs have been coming way down, so we will likely see more total HD integration in the future.
BTW: I do not mean to minimize the addition of HD news - it is a major task, and stations that accomplish that as well as both Channels 8/31 and 13 are to be congratulated. It is a BIG step towards total integration of HD.

Dave, thanks for the very detailed explanation. I wasn't aware of the extent of changes required to simply broadcast syndicated shows in HD. I read somewhere recently that the current costs of HD changeover for local stations is just a fraction of what it was a few years ago. Hopefully our local stations will implement the changes required for syndicated HD broadcasts as costs continue to decrease.
post #2093 of 2482
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Originally Posted by dwgsp View Post

I have a Tivo Series 2 Dual Tuner model hooked up to my basement TV. According to Tivo, most Digital Adapters don't support devices that contain more than one tuner. Tivo says to contact the cable company to discuss options.
Does anyone know which analog channels Time Warner is going to shut off? Maybe all of them?
/Don

TW will probably recommend you get a cable card for your Tivo because the digital adapter will only use one of your tivo's tuners while channel changes are made at the Digital Adapter. The Cable Card will use both of your Tivo's tuners & you can still record a show while watching another channel.

Time Warner should tell us in advance when they will start turning off analog channels.
post #2094 of 2482
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Originally Posted by MPNASCAR24 View Post

TW will probably recommend you get a cable card for your Tivo ...

You're thinking of Tivo Series 3 and newer models. Tivo Series 2 models are several years old, analog-only, and do not support CableCards. It's likely that there is no good solution, but since this is old technology I won't loose any sleep over it becoming obsolete.

BTW, this issue would also affect analog TVs that have two tuners to support Picture-in-Picture. Does anyone still use that?

/Don
post #2095 of 2482
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Originally Posted by dwgsp View Post

I have a Tivo Series 2 Dual Tuner model hooked up to my basement TV. According to Tivo, most Digital Adapters don't support devices that contain more than one tuner. Tivo says to contact the cable company to discuss options.
Does anyone know which analog channels Time Warner is going to shut off? Maybe all of them?
/Don
Are you still standard def? If so you can use a old Series 2 Dual Tuner TiVo with a digital cable STB (set top box) - the Series 2 does not support cable cards. The series 2 TiVo can control and record from the STB but it becomes a single tuner DVR unless you still have some unencrypted analog channels. If you have gone to a HD TV honestly it is time to retire the Series 2 TiVo and move up to dual or quad tuner TiVo Premiere.

Good Luck,
post #2096 of 2482
I don't find the new Tivo models to be very compelling. I already have a Tivo HD with a cablecard as well as the already mentioned Series 2 DT. Tivo finally replaced MRV with streaming to share recordings between devices, which is good, but it seems to me that today a competitive option for time shifted TV viewing is to cut the cord and use a couple Rokus instead. I came really close to doing this about three months ago, but TW gave me a price break so I have stayed with them for the time being.

I should mention that my family watches very little live TV. If we were sports fans or live news junkies, or subscribed to premium channels, then it would be a different story. But in our case, just about all of the programming that we currently watch can be found online for a reasonable price. If the BBC iPlayer was easily available here in the states, we would have already made the jump.

Maybe TW's decision to shut off some of the analog channels will hasten my move. I'd still like to know which channels will be affected.

/Don
post #2097 of 2482
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Originally Posted by MPNASCAR24 View Post

TW will probably recommend you get a cable card for your Tivo because the digital adapter will only use one of your tivo's tuners while channel changes are made at the Digital Adapter. The Cable Card will use both of your Tivo's tuners & you can still record a show while watching another channel.
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He will need a CableCARD for anything beyond the local channels because those are encrypted. All CableCARDs being distributed today themselves can decrypt 4 separate channels. So, it is possible to record two HD channels. The catch is that, normally one can't record any programs that are SDV (Switched Digital Video) because the TiVo itself can't send a signal to the local distribution point (neighborhood node) that he wants to see (or record) - that's what the tuning adapter is for. From what he says, apparently the tuning adapter can only request one SDV program at a time - so his ability to record two programs at once is limited to one SDV channel in addition to any non-SDV channel at a time
post #2098 of 2482
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

From what he says, apparently the tuning adapter can only request one SDV program at a time - so his ability to record two programs at once is limited to one SDV channel in addition to any non-SDV channel at a time

My original post was about a Series 2 Tivo unit, which is analog only (no digital tuner, cablecard, or Tuning Adapter support). See my follow up post.

As for Tuning Adapters, they can support multiple SDV channels. The TA that connects to my TivoHD handles both of the tuners that the Tivo supports.

/Don
post #2099 of 2482
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Originally Posted by dwgsp View Post

My original post was about a Series 2 Tivo unit, which is analog only (no digital tuner, cablecard, or Tuning Adapter support). See my follow up post.
As for Tuning Adapters, they can support multiple SDV channels. The TA that connects to my TivoHD handles both of the tuners that the Tivo supports.
/Don
Sorry, got lost in the posts. Glad to realize that the tuning adapter can handle multiple SDV channels. Curious to know how many?
post #2100 of 2482
For time warner, anyone know how many of the digital channels are 5C flagged on the firewire? Is it just HBO or can one expect
discovery channel HD to be 5c/non-copyable?
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