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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Sorry, got lost in the posts. Glad to realize that the tuning adapter can handle multiple SDV channels. Curious to know how many?

My understanding is that this is dependent on the firmware version that is installed on the Tuning Adapter. On some systems, the Cisco STA1520 (which is the TA that TW uses in Rochester) will support up to six streams. TW says that their TA is compatible with the Ceton InfiniTV 4, which I believe implies that their TA supports at least four streams..

/Don
post #2102 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Potatophysics View Post

For time warner, anyone know how many of the digital channels are 5C flagged on the firewire? Is it just HBO or can one expect
discovery channel HD to be 5c/non-copyable?

Sounds like you are talking about the Copy Control Information flag, also known as the CCI Byte. The CCI Byte allows content owners to specify how digital television content can be duplicated.

On most Time Warner systems, including Rochester, local broadcast channels are flagged Copy Freely. This is required by the FCC. Time Warner chooses to flag all other channels as Copy Once, which means that they can be recorded by a DVR, but then the recording on the DVR cannot be copied again to another device.

/Don
post #2103 of 2482
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Originally Posted by dwgsp View Post

I don't find the new Tivo models to be very compelling. I already have a Tivo HD with a cablecard as well as the already mentioned Series 2 DT. Tivo finally replaced MRV with streaming to share recordings between devices, which is good, but it seems to me that today a competitive option for time shifted TV viewing is to cut the cord and use a couple Rokus instead. I came really close to doing this about three months ago, but TW gave me a price break so I have stayed with them for the time being.
I should mention that my family watches very little live TV. If we were sports fans or live news junkies, or subscribed to premium channels, then it would be a different story. But in our case, just about all of the programming that we currently watch can be found online for a reasonable price. If the BBC iPlayer was easily available here in the states, we would have already made the jump.
Maybe TW's decision to shut off some of the analog channels will hasten my move. I'd still like to know which channels will be affected.
/Don
I find all the Series 3 & 4 TiVos very compelling as DVRs but only marginally acceptable as Internet streaming devices. Regarding cutting the cord, I currently have:
  1. Roku Model N1100 - works ok
  2. Logitech Revue Google TV - worthless
  3. Netgear NeoTV Streaming Player - works ok doesn't have as many content options as a Roku and isn't as polished.
  4. TiVo Premiere - very good - used for OTA, Pandora, & to auto download pod casts
  5. TiVo Original Series 3 - very good used for OTA - gets slightly better reception than my Premiere
  6. TiVo HD - very good used for OTA - gets slightly better reception than my Premiere
  7. A low end home built HTPC - best streaming device hands down and easiest way to get Hulu (the free service versus the paid Hulu+) onto a TV.
and I have ordered a WD TV Live HD Media Player ( WDBHG70000NBK) that should be here next week to play with.

I live about 1 mile past the end of the Time Warner cable line so I have never used their service. I cut the cord from Dishnetwork about 4 years ago when I went HD and didn't want to pay dish to upgrade (had multiple Series 2 TiVos at the time used for Dish & OTA). I have Frontier DSL at 5-6 Mbps, it can support streaming mostly without issues. Most of what I watch is OTA content and could not live without good OTA DVRs I currently do not pay for any content through a service (I do rent a blu-ray from Red box now and then) and have found more than enough legal content . Cutting the cord has worked well for me but I could not have done it without my TiVos after them my HTPC gets the most use.

Good Luck,
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I got a letter from TWC today that says CMT, C-SPAN, EWTN, Golf Channel & Lifetime Movie Network will be digital format only starting on October 10th. It also says to continue receiving those channels a digital cable box or digital adapter is required. I'm pretty sure tw won't have any analog channels when we start paying for the Digital Adapters.
post #2105 of 2482
Finally, analog removal is here! The same info is listed on the updated Legal Notifications. It also looks like on Oct 1, when they launch, we’ll get the two new RSNs Time Warner is launching for the Los Angeles area. Obviously, Lakers and Galaxy games will either be blacked out or alternate programming will air in this area. Hopefully this venture into real RSNs works out good, and maybe, just maybe in 2016, when the contract is up with MSG, Time Warner can launch a real RSN, with real production values for Upstate NY and have it be the new TV home of the Sabres.
post #2106 of 2482
Got the email from TWC today about the digital conversion. For now it is only CMT, C-SPAN, EWTN, Golf Channel and Lifetime Movie Network.
post #2107 of 2482
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Originally Posted by dwarren2 View Post

Got the email from TWC today about the digital conversion. For now it is only CMT, C-SPAN, EWTN, Golf Channel and Lifetime Movie Network.

Those channels were supposed to be digital only today & their still available as an analog channel on my den TV. Do they plan on slowly removing analog channels or are they waiting to do it all at once?
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Letter said that the switch would occur on or about Oct 10.
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The letter i got also said on or about October 10. I've been wondering will the digital adapter give me more channels than what my den tv gets with analog & will any of them be HD or will the number of channels i get stay the same.

I just looked at TW's site & they updated the digital adapter page. It now says you may request a Digital Adapter for free through the end of 2014 then it will be $0.99/month. Looks like they need more time to go all digital.
Edited by MPNASCAR24 - 9/10/12 at 12:59pm
post #2110 of 2482
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Originally Posted by MPNASCAR24 View Post

It now says you may request a Digital Adapter for free through the end of 2014 then it will be $0.99/month. Looks like they need more time to go all digital.

They may be planning a a phased transition so that they can manage the call volume. They have a lot of customers who still use their analog service, and for many the conversion will not be pretty.

/Don
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Or those who have used splitters to connect other TV's in the house to cable in addition to the digital boxes/dvr they already have.
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I split my cable a bunch of times. Tw provided a booster for the basement. I have cable running to about 8 devices. I personally only care about the digital channels, but I almost never use them, only when the dvr is recording 2 things and I want to watch something live.

I split my component out from my dvr and use that to run 3 tvs on the first floor and one in the basement. I haven't gotten around to trying an hdmi matrix.
post #2113 of 2482
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Originally Posted by dwgsp View Post

They may be planning a a phased transition so that they can manage the call volume. They have a lot of customers who still use their analog service, and for many the conversion will not be pretty.
/Don
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Originally Posted by dwarren2 View Post

Or those who have used splitters to connect other TV's in the house to cable in addition to the digital boxes/dvr they already have.

TW may be doing a phased transition to all digital for those reasons now that i think about it. The only cable box i have is my DVR so when they remove analog channels i watch is the day i'll be getting a digital adapter for my den tv.
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Based on my discussion with TWC today, after the October 10th Digital adapter date, you will need a cable box or a digital adapter - a TV with a digital tuner will not be enough. You will need the adapter for each set that you are now receiving through a built in digital tuner.
post #2115 of 2482
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Originally Posted by larrude View Post

Based on my discussion with TWC today, after the October 10th Digital adapter date, you will need a cable box or a digital adapter - a TV with a digital tuner will not be enough. You will need the adapter for each set that you are now receiving through a built in digital tuner.
I don't think that is quite true*: Local stations cannot be encrypted - meaning that if you are getting them now on a digital set via the QAM tuner, you will continue to be able to get them with no DTA. The 10/10 cut-off also refers to just a few cable channels. For the time being, it looks like the bulk of the analog tier channels will continue.

*TW has been notorious about not providing their CSRs with information about the use of QAM tuners for receiving local HD channels. Most of the folks that you talk to have no idea that this is possible.
post #2116 of 2482
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Originally Posted by lokilarry View Post

Aren't they getting around that by offering the digital boxes free?
No. But these are two different matters.
1) There is a FCC rule prohibiting the encrypting of local channels. That rule has been in effect for years.
2) The "boxes" (Actually known as Digital Transport Adapters or Digital Terminal Adapters, depending on the cable company) are intended to allow migration to digital channels on legacy (analog) sets. Note that a single SD digital channel uses approximately 1/12 the bandwidth of a single SD analog channel. So lots of "space" can be saved by transitioning to digital. While the TW DTAs do have a HDMI output, it is not clear that they will provide HD on HD channels.

BTW: The DTAs are only "free" for a year. After the end of 2014 they say they will be $0.99/month (but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if TW increased that).
post #2117 of 2482
I am wary of their answers, but I explained about the QAM tuner and she specifically said no - without the adapter I would not be able to receive ay channels. It will be interesting to see what actually happens on 10/10
post #2118 of 2482
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Originally Posted by larrude View Post

I am wary of their answers, but I explained about the QAM tuner and she specifically said no - without the adapter I would not be able to receive ay channels. It will be interesting to see what actually happens on 10/10
Well right off she was wrong in saying:
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without the adapter I would not be able to receive ay channels
The October cutover ONLY applies to: CMT, C-SPAN, EWTN, Golf Channel and Lifetime Movie Network. Not all channels.

RE: QAM - the people that you talk to on the phone only know what their script tells them. TW has NEVER included QAM in the scripts, so the CSR can't respond to an intelligent question.
post #2119 of 2482
Getting lots of breakup on tw 1540 goal line. Anyone else?
post #2120 of 2482
I've had it on for the past half an hour or so, and no issues at all, about to switch over to Fox for baseball.
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This may be something that interests some people here....

I came home from work Friday and saw a flyer that was left on my door by the folks from Frontier. Apparently they have made some major improvements in my immediate area and are now offering several speed levels.

Up to 6 Mbps download, up to 12 Mbps down, and up to 25 Mbps down. I am not sure what the upload speed is for each level.

They are having a neighborhood demonstration of the new speed at a home right around the corner from me next Wednesday. I plan on attending just out of curiosity and to get some of my questions answered. I have had DSL here in my home before with less than satisfactory results. So I shall prepare a list of questions for these folks and try to get all of them answered. But I find all of this interesting. This so called neighborhood demonstration has never been held before and it is interesting that their DSLAM equipment is right next door to this home where they are having this also.
post #2122 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Racerbob View Post

This may be something that interests some people here....
I came home from work Friday and saw a flyer that was left on my door by the folks from Frontier. Apparently they have made some major improvements in my immediate area and are now offering several speed levels.
Up to 6 Mbps download, up to 12 Mbps down, and up to 25 Mbps down. I am not sure what the upload speed is for each level.
They are having a neighborhood demonstration of the new speed at a home right around the corner from me next Wednesday. I plan on attending just out of curiosity and to get some of my questions answered. I have had DSL here in my home before with less than satisfactory results. So I shall prepare a list of questions for these folks and try to get all of them answered. But I find all of this interesting. This so called neighborhood demonstration has never been held before and it is interesting that their DSLAM equipment is right next door to this home where they are having this also.
The highlighted phrase ("up to") is key here. Ask them what the GUARANTEED MINIMUMS are? What are your rights if they don't meet those minimums? Time Warner consistently delivers on those minimums. I have been participating for over a year in the FCC commissioned "SamKnows" program. My measured speeds on Roadrunner (or whatever it is called these days) consistently EXCEED the "up to" claimed speeds. I realize that this is a new technology - but Frontier has a rather poor track record in this area. On the other hand, they need to start somewhere.
post #2123 of 2482
Dave, I have had Frontier DSL in my home here before. Twice. Each time they have have not been able to deliver a consistent internet experience when it comes to speed. As far as reliability, I had no complaint. Their up time matched Time Warner's.

The second time I had DSL here, I was seeing speed up to 7 Mbps down and I was getting 1 Mbps upload speed. The issue I had was that the download speed varied all the time. Ping times were high. So one morning I allowed one of their local senior techs to have access to my computer remotely and I watched for a half hour while he ran numerous tests and tracers and ping tests, etc. He finally told me on the phone that what he was seeing was not good. In a later phone conversation, he told me that what he had discovered was that the CO's were not communicating well with each other. (I have a remote DSLAM right around the corner from my home) He said that what he had uncovered was causing great concern to those in the company that were higher up than he was. He said that he could not give me a time frame of when this would be fixed and he also said that it was going to cost some big bucks. They let me out of my contract with no penalty whatsoever.

So now fast forward to today. I have been reading at DSLReports about upgrades Frontier is making to their infrastructure. Then the flyer is hand delivered to my doorstep. My feeling is that they have quietly put some money into the system and upgraded their equipment. How else could they offer speeds that they are advertising on their flyer ? I am composing a list of questions. Their local manager has his sticker on the flyer with his phone number. I am assuming that he will be available this coming Wednesday from 4 to 6 when they are demonstrating the system to anyone who wants to stop by.

The flyer said that a one year commitment is required...not two years which it used to be. And I know that the option exists to opt out before a 30 day period passes. (I think that is what it is)

So my questions will deal with what my cost will be without phone service. AND, I want them to tell me exactly what the charge will be including all taxes and fees and stupid modem fees. I will also ask about the system itself...in other words, what is it that they have done that will allow me to get higher speeds in my home. I will tell him who I am and what this senior tech uncovered the last time i had Frontier in my home. I will ask him about monthly usage caps. I wish to use my own router...I will ask him about that.

I currently have Time Warner Internet Extreme on a one year deal that ends in December. So I am almost at the point where I will need to decide what to do about future internet service and also TV. My DirecTV contract ends on 6/1/2013. My goal as always is to get the most for my buck. No way will I pay Frontier more than what Time Warner wants for their internet service. And i do know that if I cannot work a deal with TW that my stand alone 10/1 service will be $54.95 a month starting in January. (I have 30/5 now at $49.95/month) I could get Earthlink service. Earthlink 20/2 service would be $51.90 a month. This is a couple bucks more than what I am paying right now for 30/5 and it sounds like a viable option. And no cable TV service is needed. Frontier would have to beat that figure. Maybe TW would be able to offer me a deal for internet and TV because I would be switching from satellite. Either way, there are many options available.
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Bob,
Thanks for your response.

My point is that, based on Frontier's track record it is important for them to GUARANTEE performance - particularly in view of the long term commitments that they subject you to.

Before actually signing up with Frontier I would suggest contacting TW retentions by actually cancelling whatever service that you have with them. Schedule that a couple of weeks out to give you some working room. They will come back with a good offer. If you express an interest in TV they will likely make you a very good offer. My current deal with them is for 2 years (and, of course, I can still cancel with them anytime I want).
post #2125 of 2482
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Bob,
Thanks for your response.
My point is that, based on Frontier's track record it is important for them to GUARANTEE performance - particularly in view of the long term commitments that they subject you to.
Before actually signing up with Frontier I would suggest contacting TW retentions by actually cancelling whatever service that you have with them. Schedule that a couple of weeks out to give you some working room. They will come back with a good offer. If you express an interest in TV they will likely make you a very good offer. My current deal with them is for 2 years (and, of course, I can still cancel with them anytime I want).

No problem Dave. I agree with you 100%. Ever since Time Warner upgraded this area to D3, the internet service I have been getting is excellent. Very little down time and consistently fast speeds no matter what time of day it is. Yes, it would be very important for Frontier to guarantee performance. With me being within a quarter mile of their remote equipment, I would expect to be fast all the time. This is why I am approaching everything with an open mind. Hopefully they will be able to answer all of my questions completely when I meet with them. They may have replaced cable and equipment to their CO's and DSLAM's , but what about the lines that run right to my home ? Well I do remember now, they did replace the line to my house from the pole the last time I had service from them.
post #2126 of 2482
The Legal Notifications on TWs website updated Yesterday, looks like we’ll be getting all of the regional feeds of the PAC 12 Network on October 1st.

1192 - PAC 12 Network Los Angeles HD (SD on 250)
1193 - PAC 12 Network Arizona HD (SD on 251)
1194 - PAC 12 Network Washington HD (SD on 252)
1195 - PAC 12 Network Oregon HD (SD on 253)
1196 - PAC 12 Network Mountain HD (SD on 254)
1197 - PAC 12 Network Bay Area HD (SD on 255)
post #2127 of 2482
just called for my free tuning adapter ...the lady said dont set it up until the 17th and also they wont be charging .99 until jan 2015 now. They will be sending a new letter with it
post #2128 of 2482
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Originally Posted by shibez View Post

just called for my free tuning adapter ...the lady said dont set it up until the 17th and also they wont be charging .99 until jan 2015 now. They will be sending a new letter with it

You said tuning adapter but are referring to digital adapter. If you go to www.twc.com/digitaladapter it still says the 10th for Rochester Area. They also have a second Digital Adapter Model. The Cisco is for HDTV'S, while the Technicolor model is for Analog Only TV's.
post #2129 of 2482
For those who haven't heard yet or seen it osted elseware, NFL Network and NFL Red Zone are coming to Time Warner!

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-21/nfl-said-to-have-deal-with-time-warner-for-nfl-network-redzone

All of the PAC 12 channels AND the NFL Network and Red Zone, this is turning out to be a pretty good week!
post #2130 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Steve Mehs View Post

For those who haven't heard yet or seen it osted elseware, NFL Network and NFL Red Zone are coming to Time Warner!
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-21/nfl-said-to-have-deal-with-time-warner-for-nfl-network-redzone
All of the PAC 12 channels AND the NFL Network and Red Zone, this is turning out to be a pretty good week!

All i'm hearing is my cable bill go up because i gotta pay for another channel i don't want. Thanks TW for making me angry today. mad.gif
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