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post #31 of 108
Ugggh, I terribly want one but I don't know if I could afford to pick one up or not. I really want a 2.35:1 native screen in my final setup, but my setup still has a long way to go (basement X1 on DIY screen, DIY risers, HTIB type audio, still need to build the room...heh).

I guess my big question besides price is what else does one need besides the lens? Scaler, etc? Does this pretty much have to be done from an HTPC?

I still think a native 16:9 PJ with panamorph and 2.35:1 screen is the perfect solution for the various size and masking issues. I would love to do it.

Count me "interested" depending on the price. $1400 smackers is outta my league at the moment...but the panamorph at a good price would be a good non-depreciating investment, even for when I move up to a 16:9 native PJ.
post #32 of 108
I'd love to have a panamorph lens for my X1. 2.35:1 movies really push the resolution of the X1. With a price point of the X1 at under $1000, I just can't justify spending more on a lens than the projector cost. For me, a target price of under $500 puts me in the market. Otherwise I'll just wait a few years for a high res & low cost DLP projector to come out.

- Mark
post #33 of 108
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Originally posted by Mracacia
I'd love to have a panamorph lens for my X1. 2.35:1 movies really push the resolution of the X1. With a price point of the X1 at under $1000, I just can't justify spending more on a lens than the projector cost. For me, a target price of under $500 puts me in the market. Otherwise I'll just wait a few years for a high res & low cost DLP projector to come out.

- Mark
The great thing about the panamorph is that if you got it now, you still will be able to use it when you get a 16:9 native projector. That way you will have a native 2.35:1 projector with the panamorph.

But you are right, ~$1000 for a lens is no small change$$.
post #34 of 108
Could I use this with my Optoma H30? If so, count me for around $500, if thats even possible.
post #35 of 108
Heh... that isn't going to happen :).
post #36 of 108
Thread Starter 
jigrillo:
The panamorph PSO-U100 is universal for all digital PJ. The retail price is $1999. AVS can sell them before the power buy for $1399. I'm just waiting for Jason to give the final power buy price. Sounds like he worked out a good deal. I'm sure we will get the best deal that can be had at this time period.

One nice thing about the panamorph is that it won't be obsolete any time soon. The new PSO-U100 is tweaked to give the absoute best picture. I have never read a review from anyone that didn't like the panamorph.
post #37 of 108
The one thing I'm NOT looking forward to is having to mount it! :)
post #38 of 108
Thread Starter 
madpoet:
Come on that's the fun part :)
post #39 of 108
Okay. nice price. looks like they are interested in some of that under $1k market that soem other euro lens company has.

That price is attractive for us budget minded folks.

Question about the specs:

Says minimum throw ratio is 1.65. My Z1 is 1.62. Is that rule hard and fast? different for 4:3 projectors vs. 16:9 projectors? (I know the other lens compnay has different calcs depending on panel aspect ration)

Jim J
(wondering if his recently won on eBay "Ultra Panatar" is going to do something for him or be an HT Prop)
post #40 of 108
Jim, I'm in the same boat (1.62). It's the max throw distance I can mathmatically reach. We'll see what happens!
post #41 of 108
Thread Starter 
Jim J
The final price savings from the power buy hasn't been announced yet. I'm anxiously waiting by.
post #42 of 108
I would rather look into an ISCO than a panamorph if going to 2.35:1. The ISCO will let you run constant height. The Panamorph is for constant width set-ups.
post #43 of 108
Guys, note the sticky at the top of the forum... that is an AMAZING price.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=396964
post #44 of 108
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I would rather look into an ISCO than a panamorph if going to 2.35:1. The ISCO will let you run constant height. The Panamorph is for constant width set-ups.
Whoa, I must have had these mixed up! I thought it was the other way around. Yeah, a constant-height solution on a 2.35:1 native screen is the way I want to go.

I guess I misunderstood the panamorph lens. I better go look again and get myself straightened out...
post #45 of 108
This looks like it could be a good deal. I can't find much information on the PSO-U10 lens. It looks like the housing will be much cheaper than the current lens on the Panamorph site. What else is different? Is there going to be distortion?

Has anyone seen bout the PSO-U10 and PSO-U100?

I have not had luck convincing my wife but I have decided to sell my HTPC and SDI dvd player to finance this and part of an HD tivo. I'm pretty sure that I will pull the trigger on this.

Matt
post #46 of 108
The PSO-U10 was the non-commercial model of the PSO-U100. I've been told the differences are very subtle, but at 1/3 the price not worth it :). VSR used to sell the PSO-U10, but stopped a few months ago. Sounds like Jason has convinced them to revive the line for this power buy.

Bon, one question... without an HTPC how are you going to scale the image? Do you have an external scaler?

-MP
post #47 of 108
Thread Starter 
This is all very cool. I'm very satisfied. I already tried to call my order in :) Jason was out of the office or not available.
post #48 of 108
I believe that my projector has the appropriate stretch mode. There is a mode that takes the image and fills the panel. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't have the best projector. PLV-60HT

I am planning on upgrading but right now the 7205 is my target machine and I can't spend that much.

I really want an hd tivo. I love the picture from my sdi dvd into the htpc but I have decided that I can sacrifice a bit of quility for ease of use. I am going to pick up one of the Momitsu 880N dvd players. I doubt the picture will be as good but it will be easier on the wife and baby sitters.
post #49 of 108
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Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I would rather look into an ISCO than a panamorph if going to 2.35:1. The ISCO will let you run constant height. The Panamorph is for constant width set-ups.
I'd just like to point out this is incorrect. I run constant height/variable width with my Panamorph & Z2. You just do a full zoom with the panamorph.
post #50 of 108
Quote:
Originally posted by jeffleonard
I'd just like to point out this is incorrect. I run constant height/variable width with my Panamorph & Z2. You just do a full zoom with the panamorph.
Are you using the Z2 to stretch the image or your source?
post #51 of 108
Thread Starter 
Just got the phone with Jason. Count my order in the system. Alright everyone, hurry and place your orders so we can get this moving. It's Friday and it's time to spent that hard earned money.
post #52 of 108
I am still trying to get more information before deciding if I am in or not. I own an X1 and am debating about it. My X1 is about '13 feet back. About where is the Panamorph effective? At what point does it not work? Would the Panamorph improve 4:3 DVD's in Native Mode on the X1? (4:3 picture quality in widescreen mode) What about Cable TV? using the Native Mode on the X1?
post #53 of 108
Would getting the Panamorph be the same as an XGA projector by itself versus a SVGA projector with Panamorph?
post #54 of 108
Since the powerbuy thread is closed, I'll post my question about the PSO-U10 here:

Is it the same physical size and look of the PSO-U100??

http://www.panamorph.com./images/u100.gif
post #55 of 108
Quote:
Originally posted by jeffleonard
I'd just like to point out this is incorrect. I run constant height/variable width with my Panamorph & Z2. You just do a full zoom with the panamorph.
Sorry, but I am correct and you are misleading people. The panamorph will take a 4:3 image and squeeze it down to a 16x9 image with the same width and a reduced height. It will also take a 16x9 image and squeeze it down to a 2.35:1 image with the same width and a reduced height.

There are two ways to run constant height with a panamorph - one requiring you to use less than the full panel on material that isn't as wide as the set-up is optimized for.

The other way, which you use, will only work if you have enough zoom in your projector that you can currently take a 2.35:1 image and make it as big as the final desired height. Many people will find that they do not have enough zoom left in their projectors to do that, so it isn't a 100% guaranteed solution.

The ISCO, on the other hand, will take your existing image and stretch it out on the sides. The net effect is somewhat the same, except that the same projector using different lensed sitting side by side will have different throw lengths.

Unless your projector happens to hit just right for widescreen at full zoom and just right for normal at no zoom, you wouldn't be able to automate this via IR, as I don't know of any projectors with discrete codes for zoom positions. I doubt there are many who are going to do this, but you can automate these with the ISCO by using a simple motor and relay switch.
post #56 of 108
Acording to the powerbuy, the case is plastic so I don't believe it will look much like the 100 which appears to be made from machined aluminum.

Are the prisms in this lens liquid filled or solid glass with different refractions?

Thanks,
Matt
post #57 of 108
I don't think they make the liquid filled lenses any longer. The newer ones that I have seen are all solid.
post #58 of 108
The U10 is solid I do believe.
post #59 of 108
AVS and Monkey_Man came through on price - I am happy and surprised that my Sharp PG A10x meets the specs (I will have to zoom in a little to meet that 1.65 ratio but can make it. I assume that the 1.5 " image size is ok if I hold a ruler up in front of projector with no vertical interference and the image is less than 1.5 height.

Count me in - I assume my pm to Jason is ok but if not I will call Monday am if they are not open tomorrow
post #60 of 108
Thread Starter 
RalphArch:
Yup the squeaky wheel gets the oil :) I'm glad you are in on the deal. I was hoping for a price of $1100 but this is so much better. I can now order the Carada 2.35:1 screen and lens for the normal price of the panamorph. If Jason doesn't PM you back try his email address. He is really good about returning email. He does work out of his house so maybe he might have you call him at home to get your info.

I have talked to a person that has seen both the PSO-U100 and PSO-U10. He said he couldn't tell a difference.

I ordered mine with the slide. I hope to able to mount the panamorph permanently and figure out a way scale all aspect ratios to work on the lens without moving the lens. TheaterTek was made for jobs like this. With the help of FFDshow scaling I think it can be done.
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