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post #31 of 1338
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hey Xcalibur, do any TV stations around where you live broadcast HD? and if so, are you close enough to the transmitters to test this tv? Our store is 20 miles from the transmitters and since it is a metal building, it pretty much insulates us from getting a signal of any kind. If you are able to get OTA HD, could you hook up an antenna and see what this tv's digtial tuner is like? Does this set support PSIP data? Also, what zoom modes are available for 4:3 content broadcast in 1080i 16:9? Is it able to zoom in so the 4:3 actually fits the screen, or is it limited to black bars all around? I really can't wait until i am able to hook up our set as I really like tinkering with new stuff.

Ryan
post #32 of 1338
Does the set accept 720p, and if so, how is it displayed?
post #33 of 1338
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Dunno yet as i haven't had a chance to test it and xcalibur said the manual really didn't say.
post #34 of 1338
I can't confirm any 720p support. Since both the owner's manual and the Sanyo website say nothing about it, all we can do is wait until somebody buys one and tells us. An Xbox owner could answer the question if they bought this tv. It does support 3 different zoom modes. They are disabled for normal analog cable viewing and I didn't pay close enough attention to exactly what they were while using the dvd player. I have no way of getting a 1080i signal to the tv, so I don't know how it handles zoom with that format. Also, PSIP is an unfamiliar term to me, sorry. :) It's not ringing a bell right now. I'll be working again Thurs. night so I'll check on it. We SUPPOSEDLY have a station transmitting HD locally (it's literally the only one in the entire state of SD), but the tv doesn't pick it up at all. Our store is also metal, and the Black Hills are a bit mountainous so prospects aren't good for being able to tune that station. I think it's an ABC station. The automatic channel scan placed a digital channel 3 in the list but it's nothing but static. We only got 2 of these in and we've already sold the one that isn't on the display wall. It really is an excellent price considering the HDMI and integrated tuner. My walmart is small so this is the first HD-ready set we've gotten. We don't get any of the satellite feeds that the nicer stores get, just the usual awful walmart tv that's piped through about 5 signal boosters. Hopefully we can get some feedback if someone on the forum buys one. Time will tell. :)
post #35 of 1338
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Our store uses a Dish 6000 receiver for its HD signal. The box outputs 1080i or 720p. I highly doubt this tv will show a 720p signal as most crts do not. BTW, PSIP is the programing information that is sent out with the digital signal. My samsung tuner shows the guide similar to what a satalite box does, but only if the station is sending out the data.
post #36 of 1338
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They are not rebagaged Samsung sets. Sanyo makes many, many different things besides tvs. Take a look at their web site:

Odd, they are using Samsung Shadow Mask tubes and they correlate exactly with the features and sizes of Samsung models. Including this gem of a fact, the same screen resolution of the Samsung tubes - hence the same exact tubes.

Picture Resolution
330 lines/antenna input
800 lines/video input

I hate to break it to you guys but many of these companies out there DO NOT make their own equipment. Just because they are a brand does not mean that they are a producer of that brand. With recent trends there are technically only four or maybe five companies in the world actually making their own sets, and rebadging for others. Off the top of my head I can think of Sony, Philips/Magnavox, and Samsung. Name the others, as every other TV has a version of one of these tubes, therefore they originate at these factories.

It is just the way the world works now.
post #37 of 1338
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Originally posted by irwincur
Odd, they are using Samsung Shadow Mask tubes and they correlate exactly with the features and sizes of Samsung models. Including this gem of a fact, the same screen resolution of the Samsung tubes - hence the same exact tubes.
Well i can understand Sanyo using Samsung tubes and other components, but the Sanyo TV doesn't look anything like a Samsung so maybe they make their own cabinets with Samsung internals. It's not like they slap a Sanyo badge on a Samsung set :D

I do know that Panasonic and Toshiba are both wholly owned by parent company Matsushita, and both brands use the same picture tubes made by Matsushita's tube factory here in the USA so neither brand actually makes their own tubes, they just source them out from their parent company. Also, the Thomson tube factory made tubes for various TV manufacturers like RCA and GE among others for years until they closed down their plant a few months ago.
post #38 of 1338
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Just becuase a set uses parts manufactured by a different manufacturer, doesn't mean that it is the same set with a different name plate. I have 2 Philips tv, one a widescreen whose tube was made by Philips. The other is a 19 model, whose tube was made by samsung. That set is still a Philips set, with the same internals as other philips sets, except they sourced out the tube to someone else. I'll have to take a look inside the sanyo (through the vents, of course) and see what the name sticker is on the tube. You may be correct that it is a samsung tube, but that doesn't mean that samsung made the rest of the pcb's and other parts to the tv.

I'll also check some of the other sanyo sets to see what I can find about the tubes inside.
post #39 of 1338
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I would be willing to be that these are simply rebadged Samsung sets.
I also think these Sanyo models are not definitely Samsung's OEM. One big
clue is that Samsung TVs don't have HDMI yet.

HDMI-equipped first production model must be approved by HDMI Authorized Testing Center. (http://www.hdmi.org/pdf/HDMIComplian...sv1.0final.pdf)

I bet these integrated CRT models are Sanyo's first HDMI product. So this is definitely Sanyo's original model.
Not Samsung OEM.
post #40 of 1338
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Originally posted by oryan_dunn
[..]You may be correct that it is a samsung tube, but that doesn't mean that samsung made the rest of the pcb's and other parts to the tv.
Actually, it wouldn't be surprising if the PCBs were designed by the brand owner, but actually made by someone like Celestica, Flextronics, Jabil Circuit, Quanta, Sanmina, etc. I know, household names one-and-all. ;)

Actually, you probably have many of the products they make, just not under their own names.... :D

Later,
Bill
post #41 of 1338
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I have 2 Philips tv, one a widescreen whose tube was made by Philips. The other is a 19 model, whose tube was made by samsung.
That's because Samsung and Philips co-developed the Shadow Mask tube that is so common these days. They are essentially the same tube and technology. This is very obvious in the computer world where there are only two tubes out there now, Sony Trinitron and Philips/Samsung Shadow Mask. The TV world is quickly going this way. Economies of scale force this upon every market.

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Well i can understand Sanyo using Samsung tubes and other components, but the Sanyo TV doesn't look anything like a Samsung so maybe they make their own cabinets with Samsung internals. It's not like they slap a Sanyo badge on a Samsung set
Who cares, if the guts are Samsung and Sanyo makes the box, it is still a Samsung TV, because the TV portion is Samsung.


Look I have no problem with them being Samsung's. I love my Samsung, and if they were I would recommend them. 1080i quality on my Samsung is quite close to some of the 'better' sets, and in my opinion even better than some of the 'better' sets.
post #42 of 1338
For those interested, I've gotten the PDF manual from Sanyo to look through. If anyone else would like to check it out, PM me and I'll email it. It's too large to attach here.

David
post #43 of 1338
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courier, it looks like there is also a 27" model of the same tv? If so, I wonder how much that one will retail for? and if it has all the same features of the 30 and 32" models?
post #44 of 1338
Glossing through the manual all three monitors appear to be relatively the same, differing only in the actual CRT.
post #45 of 1338
I am not sure that I understand the"built-in HD tuner" Is it only able to receive OTA broadcasts. I live in Port St. Lucie Florida in a golf course community and can't put up a suitable antenna to receive any HD broadcasts. I do have two D* receivers. Should I connect this unit to the TV out port on one of my Toshiba 3000 DST or run another line from my dish? Thanks
post #46 of 1338
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flabingo, i believe that you are protected by the FCC if you put up an antenna, but i don't remember the exact name of the ruling. But yes, the built in HD will accecpt OTA HD, so if you have Direct TV, you would just hook up the satalite box directly to the component inputs.

Ryan
post #47 of 1338
FYI, oryan, all the stores are dropping the Dish Network in favor of an in-house satellite solution that Wal-Mart is cooking up for itself. It was in some department literature I read. Since our store has no HD-feed there isn't much more I can contribute. We're getting an all new store next year so it won't be like that for much longer though.

Whoever said that Panasonic and Toshiba were both owned by Matsushita, could you tell me where you read this? Matsushita is Panasonic's name in Japan (actually Panasonic is just the name they created for other markets like ours), but I'm pretty sure Toshiba isn't part of their company.
post #48 of 1338
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Originally posted by irwincur
Odd, they are using Samsung Shadow Mask tubes and they correlate exactly with the features and sizes of Samsung models. Including this gem of a fact, the same screen resolution of the Samsung tubes - hence the same exact tubes.

Picture Resolution
330 lines/antenna input
800 lines/video input

I hate to break it to you guys but many of these companies out there DO NOT make their own equipment. Just because they are a brand does not mean that they are a producer of that brand. With recent trends there are technically only four or maybe five companies in the world actually making their own sets, and rebadging for others. Off the top of my head I can think of Sony, Philips/Magnavox, and Samsung. Name the others, as every other TV has a version of one of these tubes, therefore they originate at these factories.

It is just the way the world works now.
I don't know if this is true or not, but it's definitely true that there is a lot of supplier sharing going on these days. All the plasma tvs in the world are made from only 3 or 4 different glass panel designs regardless of brand. Panasonic, JVC, and Fujitsu for example, all use the same glass panel even though they are separate companies. A person here in the forum who was a repair technician for Toshiba once stated that all of their flat screen tube tvs had their tubes sourced from Philips. I don't know if I buy that one, though, because I've always found Toshi tvs to have a superior picture to anything from Philips. :) Just remember, though, that just because another companies name is stamped on something doesn't guarantee that it's a case of product re-badging. The technology or design for something could merely be licensed for use and is crediting the company that holds the patent/copyright, or any number of other possibilities. Like oryan said, Sanyo is a bigger company than some people credit them for, and I think alot of their stuff is done in-house.

edit: btw, those numbers for lines of resolution are extremely common. Tons of tvs have those exact specs for horizontal resolution, so you can't draw conclusions from that.
post #49 of 1338
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Originally posted by Xcalibur_255
Whoever said that Panasonic and Toshiba were both owned by Matsushita, could you tell me where you read this? Matsushita is Panasonic's name in Japan (actually Panasonic is just the name they created for other markets like ours), but I'm pretty sure Toshiba isn't part of their company.
It looks like you're right and i was wrong. Several months ago there was a press release from RCA about Thomson closing it's picture tube plant in the USA and had the following quote:

"While RCA Thomson announced last week that it is closing its U.S. Picture Tube manufacturing facility, Matsushita (parent company of Panasonic and Toshiba) recently announced a major commitment to manufacture its 16:9 HDTV picture tubes at its existing plant in Troy, Ohio."

I was pretty surprised to see that but in this day and age of large companies owning name brands i believed it. However i just searched via google for further information about this and it looks like the above reference was incorrect - a number of other webpages indicate Matsushita Corp and Toshiba Corp are starting a JOINT VENTURE where they'll both co-own a new tube manufacturing plant. Looks like the author of the Thomson tube story must have gotten it wrong and i was basing my info on this one press release. Sorry for the confusion !

Here's a few links to the Matsushita/Toshiba tube plant collaberation:

http://www.matsushita.co.jp/corp/new...020926-13.html

http://www.panasonic.com/MECA/press_...iba_032703.pdf

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...ey/4155669.htm
post #50 of 1338
Thanks for the exposure on Sanyo and just as importantly Wal-Mart. As long as I am satisfied, it makes no difference in the end. I like the thought of having a TV many years. I just wouldn't have considered Sanyo or Wal-Mart (stuck on BestBuy, CC, Ultimate) until this thread!

BTW: Do we think about what parts Dell, HP uses inside their computers? Hard drive, video cards made by others, etc. the bottom-line is whose name is on the box and what their warranty is all about. As long as I am satisfied, it makes no difference in the end. I like the thought of having a TV many years.
post #51 of 1338
This Sanyo model does not seem to have a video out jack. Is this an important feature, or something you can go without having?

Ben
post #52 of 1338
It wouldn't be an issue for me... There are very few applications for a Video out on a TV. In most cases your better off splitting the signal at the source.
post #53 of 1338
Thread Starter 
I've never understood the video out of a TV, esp an HDTV as it is only composite. For the video out to work, you could only output what the tv is currently showing, which if you were recording, you could record it from the source as talisin said.
post #54 of 1338
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I just checked our computers today, and I found nothing on the 27" model, so i'm not sure when or if we will get that one in. We do have two of the 32" and two of the widescreen 30" sets in stock and they both sell for $747.
post #55 of 1338
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Originally posted by oryan_dunn
I've never understood the video out of a TV, esp an HDTV as it is only composite. For the video out to work, you could only output what the tv is currently showing, which if you were recording, you could record it from the source as talisin said.
A Video Out jack is handy if you want to record copy-protected content like from a DVD Player. My old 27" Sony TV and current Panny TV both have Video Out and i sometimes used it to record a DVD movie onto VHS as this got around the copy-protection circuitry of my VCRs. If i tried connecting the VCR's inputs directly to the DVD Player the recording would be copy-protected and pretty much unwatchable, but since i'm recording what the main TV's screen is seeing the recording comes out perfect.

I've also used the Video Out jack to feed a signal to my desktop monitor across the room. This works better than a splitter since my main TV has various sources such as my DVD player, cable DVR, and a few VCRs. This way my remote monitor can see anything the TV is displaying instead of being limited to only one specific split source. I have 4 video sources plus the TV itself and my remote TV can display all of em this way.

For anything other than the two above situations a Video Out jack really isn't necessary. I do use my TV's Audio Out jacks to feed sound to my H/T reciever so for my setup these are a neccessity to me. Luckly most of the better TVs have variable Audio Out jacks, even if they don't have Video Out.
post #56 of 1338
They were just installing one of the 32" Sanyos at my local Wal Mart (Berlin MD). There was only one other in stock and I got it on the spot. Looks great. Up conversion of 480i is very good. VHS tapes look very good. I have a Yagi in the attic and can receive 5 HD OTA. Cable is very good also. PBS-HD (1080i) has noticable lip synch problem. Some barrel distortion tho. There is a "service" button at the input panel. Perhaps this allow access to the service menu??
post #57 of 1338
tropical6350, if you are able, please see if it accepts 720p.

Ben
post #58 of 1338
Can you zoom or change the aspect ratio for a HD feed or is it letter boxed?
post #59 of 1338
I just picked up the 32 inch Sanyo at a local Walmart (in Minnesota). They didn't have it on the shelves, but a few Walmarts had a single TV in their stockroom and were willing to sell.

Benjamin.D... Yes it accepts 720p. One of the local OTA broadcasts (KSTP Channel 5, ABC) broadcasts in 720p. I believe it just converts the signal to 1080i.

Also, I have not had the lipsyncing problem that tropical6350 experienced on PBS HD (That is a great channel!). I am just using a set top low profile Terk amplified antenna (TV5). Seems to work quite well for most of the Minneapolis area stations. When I move the TV to the 3rd floor, I expect the antenna to pull the signals in even better.

abrahavt... Yes you can zoom.

So far I'm vey pleased with the picture, but I must admit that this is my first HD set, and my comparison is an old 27inch GE. Comparing the images next to each other, the old TV's image is like looking through milky glass.
post #60 of 1338
goldm005, when you zoom, does the picture lose resolution? Thank you for your help!!

Ben
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