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post #211 of 10016
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Originally posted by shred
I use a silver sensor in my upstairs closet and pick up the sac locals fine except for 31.

Last night I ran a channel check and picked up many more stations,most watchable.

I received 4.1 4.2 7.1 7.2 7.3 38.1 43.1 43.2,I'm guessing these stations are from the bay area.I cant pick them up this morning.

Anyone around downtown sac,I'm in 95833,picking up these stations on a consistent basis?
I may add an amp or reposition my antenna if I could get these station reliably.

Any recommendations,I really don't want to use an outside antenna,the attic may be OK.I think there is coax already up there.

I was in the bay area last night, and can tell you that there was a lot of fog through the bay and up to about Richmond. That is likely the reason you were receiving the stations. The signal travels a little farther when it's warm outside and the fog is a little heavier. You likely won't get those reliably, but during the summertime it's fun to play with them a bit!
post #212 of 10016
I watched a little of the Busch race yesterday, and all of the Cup race today on 3-1. Both were in 4x3.

There's a thread in the programming section stating that NBC was sending out a 16 x 9 signal to stations around the country.

What happened to KCRA?
post #213 of 10016
well i still seem to pick up the 4 and 7 channels in fact last night hdnet was on one and now 4-2 has some hd music on.sure would be nice to get thes stations year round.

ne one pick up tehse bay area stations all the time?seems i get them most of the time now.
post #214 of 10016
Ok im picking up the bay area stations most of the time but seem to have lost kvie 6 and its sub channels.Is it just me or is there digital signal gone?
post #215 of 10016
No KVIE here, either.

Tracey
post #216 of 10016
cool,thanks I was thinking my new stb was f'n up.
post #217 of 10016
yeah, no KVIE either. Sup with that? No funds or something? Hope that its still up. Bout the bay area thing. Yeah, I was picking up the ABC for the bay area, which is 7. I think the Digital channel was 30. I also picked up these other ones too, don't know any info on them, but they included like 4 subs channels, not including the main digital ones. Within one of those subchannel was a radar map of the east coast. Very similar to KXTV 10 weather radar, which is now off now. Weird. Anyways, I'm using Hughes E86 to pick up locals no DirecTV though. I'm using an AMP RCA ant with 45 dba. I can't wait until FOX HD, whats going on with that? I know our fox is broadcasting in 1080i, but are they ready for 720p this fall. The all star game was 480p correct? It was okay quality. Honestly guys, why 720p? sports looks soooooooo much better in 1080i anytime. ESPN and FOX messed up big time. Wellz, I just want to see our KINGS in 1080i, wellz, they are on channel 10..errr...hope its not going to be 720p. I had a chance to see the kings in 1080i vs Dallas last season, it was SWEET!!!! More please =) Later.
post #218 of 10016
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Originally posted by wunautica
I know our fox is broadcasting in 1080i, but are they ready for 720p this fall. The all star game was 480p correct? It was okay quality.

If you're talking about KTXL, they are sending 720p, not 1080i -- FOX HD gear is installed at their location, and they are ready to pass along FOX HD programming as soon as it is made available.

The MLB All-Star game was indeed 480p (upconverted to 720p in this market), but it was from an *NTSC* source, so the quality fell short of what one normally sees on a FOX "widescreen" presentation.

--Bill R.
post #219 of 10016
Unless something has changed since last year, KTXL has been sending out 480p not 720p, I know that since I have captured many frames on my computer and they were 480p.
post #220 of 10016
The source video may be 480p, but it is upconverted to 720p for transmission. It had been upconverted to 1080i for several years, but just changed to 720p a few months ago, to get in line with what FOX will be feeding.

--Bill R.
post #221 of 10016
No it was transmitted in 480p since its inception, I have the captured clips as proof. We are talking Sacramento FOX affiliate right? Can't say if any changes were made last year since I no longer use my PC to watch it.
post #222 of 10016
Yep, Sacramento, KTXL. Not sure what to tell you. My various STBs all indicate the format of the transmission -- KTXL started out as 480p, then it changed to 1080i a few years ago, and then to 720p a few months ago. There were several people in this forum who commented that they noticed when it changed from 1080i to 720p.

If your results are different, then we'll have to "agree to disagree" on this one.

--Bill R.
post #223 of 10016
I pinged KVIE to see what was up (or down, as the case might be) and received the following response

"We've had arcing in a tube cavity, and haven't been able to diagnose the problem with our test equipment. The transmitter is still under warranty and so a manufacturer's tech is arriving tonight. Hope to be up by this time tomorrow."

So, with any luck, we'll see them up again soon.

Tracey
post #224 of 10016
I was able to get programming on Saturday night for a few hours. Thought it was fixed. ON Sunday and this morning I got searching for signal. Is it still down for everyone or do I need bigger antenna? I am in Modesto and get all other channels perfectly but 31.
post #225 of 10016
I have been unable to receive KVIE-DT for quite some time now.....as of last night it was still out for me.....& I usually get full strength

Joe
post #226 of 10016
I was getting KVIE last night, around 9pm. First time I had seen a signal in several days. Not sure if it is on today, but can check when I get home. They may still be fixing things which would explain why the signal would come and go.
post #227 of 10016
I should check my recording of Mystery, from early this a.m....

I'll either spoil the ending, if I'm not careful, or watch it without checking, only to discover the ending is missing.
post #228 of 10016
Was Mystery actually on (barring signal problems)? My HDTivo said it was, but the KVIE website said differently. From 6pm to 6am, KVIE says they carry the national PBS HD feed, and that doesn't include Mystery. It appears the Tivo guide get it right from 6pm to midnight, but from then until 6am it just says that 6-1 is the same as analog 6. That's not what the KVIE website says. I recorded off the analog satellite just to be sure.

Tracey
post #229 of 10016
I live in the foothills and most of the Bay Area HDs come in, but not consistent enough to watch. Signal strength and multipath vary all over the place. There are at least 18 of them, and it's fun to see who is coming in when.
As far as the Fox and ESPN decisions to use 720p over 1080i, their engineering departments thought long and hard before making a choice. Yes, the detail is a bit less with 720p, but due to their heavy sports programming with lots of fast action, 720p has a decided edge. Progressive scan is 60 frames per second whereas 1080i interlaces identical frames, yielding only 30 frames per second. So with little or no motion, the 1080i picure is superior, but when the action starts, the 720p format takes over.
Also, for some reason, on OTA transmissions, the STBs lock up much quicker on 720p than they do on 1080i.
post #230 of 10016
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Originally posted by Beth
I don't know. I am totally new to OTA antennas and haven't had much time to research yet. I'm not sure I can get a good enough signal to make it worth buying an outdoor antenna and having it installed. I want to make sure I get a better picture than I have with my *D SD locals.

Hi,
Get yourself a Winguard CH7084 VHF/UHF antenna with one of their preamps. I'd go with one that has good gain in the UHF band and little or no gain on VHF. Put it on your roof with a 10-foot mast and a rotator so you can look at the Bay Area as well. There are nearly 20 stations over there running digital transmitters. Don't worry if the corresponding analog channel is lousy. Here in Nevada City, there are days when I can't even pick up the analog channel and the digital one is nearly full scale!
Don't listen to those who advocate a small indoor antenna. NOTHING can compare with a directive outdoor antenna up in the clear.
The digital tuner you use is also important. Pick one that has a 4th generation or later chipset. I have a Zenith HD520 and a Hughes HTL-HD. Both have DirecTV tuners built in.
Good luck and have fun!
Carl
post #231 of 10016
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Originally posted by Bob Hess
Hi Guys,

I would sure like to see a consolidated Sacramento thread.

We will be making some changes to our PSIP (virtual channel among other things) system over the next day or two. You may have to do a channel scan/search to find us on channel 31 instead of channel 21.

Bob Hess
Director of Engineering
KMAX

Hi Bob,
I talked to Jack D at the SBE luncheon to find out what he did to improve his DTV channel. He hasn't gone to full power yet but said they had a box in the line that was providing a GPS lock and it had lots of jitter. He removed it a couple of months ago and since then, his signals are solid here. Apparently, a good lock has more to do with C-to-N than just strong RCL. The bar graph on my STBs jumped up into the "Normal" and "Good" range when he pulled the GPS box out.
Your signal is rarely more than half way up the "Bad" portion of my SAT-HD520 and HTL-HD STBs. but with your low power, it is understandable. Let me know when you make a change and I'll give you a report.
Carl G
post #232 of 10016
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Originally posted by tlrowley
Was Mystery actually on (barring signal problems)? My HDTivo said it was, but the KVIE website said differently. From 6pm to 6am, KVIE says they carry the national PBS HD feed, and that doesn't include Mystery. It appears the Tivo guide get it right from 6pm to midnight, but from then until 6am it just says that 6-1 is the same as analog 6. That's not what the KVIE website says. I recorded off the analog satellite just to be sure.

Tracey

You were right. My Tivo thought it was recording Mystery, but actually recorded "An American Family." Rats. I've learned to check KVIE's website for late night digital scheduling.
post #233 of 10016
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Originally posted by carl033
I live in the foothills and most of the Bay Area HDs come in, but not consistent enough to watch. Signal strength and multipath vary all over the place. There are at least 18 of them, and it's fun to see who is coming in when.
As far as the Fox and ESPN decisions to use 720p over 1080i, their engineering departments thought long and hard before making a choice. Yes, the detail is a bit less with 720p, but due to their heavy sports programming with lots of fast action, 720p has a decided edge. Progressive scan is 60 frames per second whereas 1080i interlaces identical frames, yielding only 30 frames per second. So with little or no motion, the 1080i picure is superior, but when the action starts, the 720p format takes over.
Also, for some reason, on OTA transmissions, the STBs lock up much quicker on 720p than they do on 1080i.

Almost all well-produced 1080i live sports events on HDNet and InHD beat the ESPNHD shows. Interlaced image is not a major issue even in fast moving sports, not giving the show enough bandwidth to transmit is the problem.
post #234 of 10016
Okay... I've read this entire thread looking for some info on what types of antennas are working best for people in Sac area...

I live in West Sac (Southport area) and am about 20 miles from most of the towers... I have a two-story house, and don't want an obtrusive outdoor mounted antenna. AntennaWeb states that I can get away with a small-multidirectional (yellow) antenna.

I've read several posts that the Silver Sensor is a good solution. But I am also wondering about the Terk tv-44. I have read bad things about it, but mainly from people who are further away from the broadcast towers...

Does anyone here have some experience with these, or other recomendations? Also, since I am waiting for my HDTivo to arrive still, what is the easiest way to test signal strength so I can have this all set-up/ready to go for my HDTivo (whenever it finally arrives...)
post #235 of 10016
The jury is still out on this issue. As most of the HD comes via satellite, the amount of bandwidth (and bits) they allocate to a program will determine the overall quality. Unfortunately, we have no control over D* or E*.
A good test will be in the fall when football in HD is broadcast on Fox and CBS. We'll be able to do an A-B comparison between the satellite-delivered feeds and the OTA signals.
post #236 of 10016
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Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay... I've read this entire thread looking for some info on what types of antennas are working best for people in Sac area...

I live in West Sac (Southport area) and am about 20 miles from most of the towers... I have a two-story house, and don't want an obtrusive outdoor mounted antenna. AntennaWeb states that I can get away with a small-multidirectional (yellow) antenna.

I've read several posts that the Silver Sensor is a good solution. But I am also wondering about the Terk tv-44. I have read bad things about it, but mainly from people who are further away from the broadcast towers...

Does anyone here have some experience with these, or other recomendations? Also, since I am waiting for my HDTivo to arrive still, what is the easiest way to test signal strength so I can have this all set-up/ready to go for my HDTivo (whenever it finally arrives...)

If you have an OTA STB, there is a signal strength indicator of some kind. I suspect a small UHF antenna from Radio Shack, Channel Master or Winegard that you can mount in your attic will outperform the mini antennas with little or no directivity.
post #237 of 10016
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Originally posted by carl033
If you have an OTA STB, there is a signal strength indicator of some kind. I suspect a small UHF antenna from Radio Shack, Channel Master or Winegard that you can mount in your attic will outperform the mini antennas with little or no directivity.

I'm still learning the shorthand here... STB?

I guess I don't have one, since I don't know what it is... heh
post #238 of 10016
You can get some (poor) idea of signal availability and strength by watching OTA UHF broadcasts. If you're receiving them clearly, you should have no trouble with HD, which is also UHF. If the standard UHF is poor (and it won't be in W.Sac.), you still might have acceptable HD.

I'm in Woodland, in a single story house, and have a Channel Master 4221 (also known as 3021) mounted in my attic. My reception of all the Sacramento HD stations is excellent with my HD-Tivo. You might check out the antenna store on Fifth Street in downtown Sac. (Check the Yellow Pages under "antennas." It's the only one on Fifth.)

OTA=over the air
STB=set top box
post #239 of 10016
JayDog, I live near Arden Mall. I tried one of the terk antennas and it did not work for me at all. I did not try that perticular model tho. I ended up buying a channel master 3010 from lowes for 60 bucks. This thing worked perfectly. My house is only 1 story and I mounteed on the the roof about 4 ft high. Nice thing about this antenna is it doesnt really look like an antenna. I get about 65% signal strength with digital channels. They look clearer than my SAT channels.


Johnny
post #240 of 10016
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Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
You can get some (poor) idea of signal availability and strength by watching OTA UHF broadcasts. If you're receiving them clearly, you should have no trouble with HD, which is also UHF. If the standard UHF is poor (and it won't be in W.Sac.), you still might have acceptable HD.

I'm in Woodland, in a single story house, and have a Channel Master 4221 (also known as 3021) mounted in my attic. My reception of all the Sacramento HD stations is excellent with my HD-Tivo. You might check out the antenna store on Fifth Street in downtown Sac. (Check the Yellow Pages under "antennas." It's the only one on Fifth.)

OTA=over the air
STB=set top box

Thanks, I think I go down there at lunch today, and see what they've got.... Popkey Distributing right?
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