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post #7531 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by deltaguy View Post

ccallana,

Based on your results with the Tivax DT-01 antenna, I would bet that in indoor solution is possible for you. The DT-01 is certainly not the top of the line for indoor antennas. Mr. Hess recommended the Winegard SS-3000 a while back as best. At a little under 30 miles, I've found an old school rabbit ear antenna gets and holds KVIE & KXTV regardless of winds and moving tree limbs. If you went with rabbit ears, you'd have to add a UHF antenna as well.

I'd try a rescan with your converter box first. Perhaps it missed KXTV prior, thus no signal.

We need an update on the Sharpshooters' VHF performance on digital 6.1 and 10.1. please.

You may recall that I have one in my office (or had...see a future post on my blog). After the analog shutdown, I did a re-scan on my Pioneer Elite in the office. Got everything perfectly with the SS-3000 EXCEPT 6 and 10.

NOTHING!

Not even a hint.

Tried rabbit ears out of desperation.

NOTHING!

We did take my SS-3000 and installed it in our favorite Thai restaurant and it worked fine on all channels (that is what the blog post will be about).

Several months ago, I recommended a SS-3000 to a viewer. It solved her problems....until 6 and 10 went back to VHF.

So....in her house, and in my office, this antenna does not perform on VHF. Guess you all will have to go to the Thai place to watch your favorite shows on 6 and 10.

Bob
www.cbs13.com/blogs
post #7532 of 10016
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Originally Posted by ccallana View Post

I wish I'd have logged on last week.. would have loved to join Bob and the others @ the switchover! I'm in for a tour if you do another one

Anyhow - I'm a new OTA user as of today - just dumped my Uverse TV... I have a Zinwell 970A box with a Tivax amplified indoor VHF/UHF antenea... after much playing around, I think I have a decent signal on all the stations except KXTV (Channel 10) - I can't get anything for them at all.

I'm in Folsom - ~198-200 degrees from the towers, 35 miles.

Any suggestions? Since I can get KVIE I figured KXTV would be easy- but doesn't appear to be...

Yes, we will do another tour. The analog transmitters are currently being disassembled. Once our sites are cleaned up, and when the new backup transmitter is installed, I'll see if anyone is interested. If we plan this right, we should be able to get most of the other stations to go along with it.

Bob
post #7533 of 10016
There's like couple LP & CA stations in Sacramento...what does this mean??

KCSO-LP 5 LD APP SACRAMENTO
KMMK-LP 14 Z TX LIC SACRAMENTO CA US BLTTL-20020423ABD - 18738 117.7 kW 0. m CABALLERO TELEVISION TEXAS, L.L.C.
KMMK-LP 14 LD CP SACRAMENTO CA US BDFCDTL-20060331BAP - 18738 2.3 kW 0. m CABALLERO TELEVISION TEXAS, L.L.C.
KMUM-CA 15 CA LIC SACRAMENTO CA US BLTTL-19981016JH - 18736 18. kW 0. m CABALLERO ACQUISITION INC.
KMUM-CA 15 DC APP SACRAMENTO CA US BDFCDTA-20080804ACR - 18736 15. kW 0. m CABALLERO ACQUISITION INC.
KSTV-LP 17 Z TX APP SACRAMENTO CA US BDISTTL-20070103AAV - 34570 125. kW 0. m BUSTOS MEDIA OF CALIFORNIA LICENSE, LLC
K27EU 20 DC APP SACRAMENTO
KMUM-CA 31 DC APP SACRAMENTO CA US BDISDTA-20081113AFO - 18736 15. kW 0. m CABALLERO ACQUISITION INC.
KSTV-LP 32 - TX APP SACRAMENTO
post #7534 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccallana View Post

Anybody know if there is a place local to buy something like the SS-3000? I'd hate to get something online and then find out its not working Or are there places online that take exchanges?

I believe Bob Hess mentioned on his blog they aren't available locally. The HDTVa is available at Best Buy (not Office Depot) but the price is crazy. Double of online. Both Solid signal and Summit Source will take them back, but for a restocking fee.

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Originally Posted by fattyboi View Post

I'm getting all channels except KXTV 10.1 using a Winegard SS-2000 in West Roseville. After more reading, looks like my problem may be the antenna is UHF only. Yet I am receiving KVIE 6.1 which is VHF. Am I missing something? Thanks.

The SS-2000 (Square Shooter) is notoriously UHF only. Getting KVIE is probably due to a lucky multipath reflection. If you fussed around with the location enough, you may be able to get KXTV.

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Originally Posted by Bob Hess View Post

Several months ago, I recommended a SS-3000 to a viewer. It solved her problems....until 6 and 10 went back to VHF.

So....in her house, and in my office, this antenna does not perform on VHF. Guess you all will have to go to the Thai place to watch your favorite shows on 6 and 10.

Bob
www.cbs13.com/blogs

Bob, I bought the Sharpshooter largely due to your recommendation. I've found that it needs to be oriented off axis to get KVIE/KXTV. In my case, nearly 45 degrees.

Secondly, I've noticed 2 people on your blog say the HDTVa outpaced the SS-3000. AFAIK, the HDTVa is simply an amplified dipole when on VHF, and should have the same results as other dipoles. I wonder if people could get KVIE/KXTV by simply buying a good inline amplifier at Radio Shack, and plugging it into rabbit ears. That should be as good as an HDTVa, right?

I watched the NAB nightlight show on analog KCRA this morning, and noticed that they specifically mention the RCA flat antennas as a combination VHF/UHF. Funny, because Rory specifically mentioned those as causing problems for KXTV viewers.

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Originally Posted by MarioMania View Post

There's like couple LP & CA stations in Sacramento...what does this mean??

I know LP channel 52 is still broadcasting on analog here in Stockton, and they are still on 52. I don't know what the timeframe is to get them out of the 700Mhz range, but they have to go.
post #7535 of 10016
ccallana,

The Winegard website says they have a dealer in Diamond Springs. Give them a call. It's probably only a half hour away from you. If they can get you the SS-3000, you can probably return it. If it works, great. If not, stop at Poor Reds after in El Dorado on the way home. It's a win-win situation.
post #7536 of 10016
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Originally Posted by JNinCA View Post

I know LP channel 52 is still broadcasting on analog here in Stockton, and they are still on 52. I don't know what the timeframe is to get them out of the 700Mhz range, but they have to go.

It's my understanding from reading another AVS thread that they don't have to go unless another user of that frequency tells them they have to vacate. Otherwise they can stay until the LPTV shutdown date, yet to be announced.

Chuck
post #7537 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarioMania View Post

There's like couple LP & CA stations in Sacramento...what does this mean??

KCSO-LP 5 LD APP SACRAMENTO
KMMK-LP 14 Z TX LIC SACRAMENTO CA US BLTTL-20020423ABD - 18738 117.7 kW 0. m CABALLERO TELEVISION TEXAS, L.L.C.
KMMK-LP 14 LD CP SACRAMENTO CA US BDFCDTL-20060331BAP - 18738 2.3 kW 0. m CABALLERO TELEVISION TEXAS, L.L.C.
KMUM-CA 15 CA LIC SACRAMENTO CA US BLTTL-19981016JH - 18736 18. kW 0. m CABALLERO ACQUISITION INC.
KMUM-CA 15 DC APP SACRAMENTO CA US BDFCDTA-20080804ACR - 18736 15. kW 0. m CABALLERO ACQUISITION INC.
KSTV-LP 17 Z TX APP SACRAMENTO CA US BDISTTL-20070103AAV - 34570 125. kW 0. m BUSTOS MEDIA OF CALIFORNIA LICENSE, LLC
K27EU 20 DC APP SACRAMENTO
KMUM-CA 31 DC APP SACRAMENTO CA US BDISDTA-20081113AFO - 18736 15. kW 0. m CABALLERO ACQUISITION INC.
KSTV-LP 32 - TX APP SACRAMENTO

The vast majority of LP stations in the Sacramento area have construction permits for LP digital. Others have told me that the construction permits are good for 3 years after the date of issuance. So who knows when they might convert and good luck trying to find out.

The only local LP station that I know which had gone digital is KMMW which was analog on 47 but is now digital on 28.

I have a speculation on the last remaining analog station KCSO 33 from the Angels Camp site. KNSO Merced is digital on 5 but has a CP for 11 and they say due to some problems, they won't get there for a couple of months. KCSO had a CP for 11 but then applied for and received a CP for 5 claiming co-channel interference from KNSO on 11. I'm betting KCSO will fire up on 5 once it is vacated by KNSO.

I'd also be surprised if the FCC grants any of the applications on file for new analog LPTV.

Chuck
post #7538 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by deltaguy View Post

ccallana,

The Winegard website says they have a dealer in Diamond Springs. Give them a call. It's probably only a half hour away from you. If they can get you the SS-3000, you can probably return it. If it works, great. If not, stop at Poor Reds after in El Dorado on the way home. It's a win-win situation.

Ok, so I thought you were suggesting Poor Reds as another antenna shop... so I looked them up!! HAH! Good BBQ sounds good right about now... yum yum...

After reading Bob's report of VHF not picking up so well with the 3000, I might consider going a different route - I don't want to keep trying new things over and over avoiding the thing that'll most likely work the best - a big outdoor antenna So I may just have to go there directly instead of stairstepping!

Now the only question, is which type to go with too many choices!
post #7539 of 10016
I can vouch for the fact that the Square Shooter does not work at all for me on 6 and 10.
post #7540 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by JNinCA View Post

.....Secondly, I've noticed 2 people on your blog say the HDTVa outpaced the SS-3000. AFAIK, the HDTVa is simply an amplified dipole when on VHF, and should have the same results as other dipoles. I wonder if people could get KVIE/KXTV by simply buying a good inline amplifier at Radio Shack, and plugging it into rabbit ears. That should be as good as an HDTVa, right?

My mom's HDTVa works fine on UHF (has a rather good UHF array) but your description of its VHF configuration is correct. With the extensive experimenting I've done, I doubt that *any* rabbit ears or other single-element VHF antenna, amplified or not, will do the job indoors on KVIE and KXTV when you are struggling with a first floor installation and a lot of path issues (a big building at a seniors complex in Mom's case).

I even tried looking into Comcast for her, but gave up after 20 minutes of listening to their irrelevant canned announcements and music on hold.
post #7541 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by JNinCA View Post

I believe Bob Hess mentioned on his blog they aren't available locally. The HDTVa is available at Best Buy (not Office Depot) but the price is crazy. Double of online. Both Solid signal and Summit Source will take them back, but for a restocking fee.

Bob, I bought the Sharpshooter largely due to your recommendation. I've found that it needs to be oriented off axis to get KVIE/KXTV. In my case, nearly 45 degrees.

Secondly, I've noticed 2 people on your blog say the HDTVa outpaced the SS-3000. AFAIK, the HDTVa is simply an amplified dipole when on VHF, and should have the same results as other dipoles. I wonder if people could get KVIE/KXTV by simply buying a good inline amplifier at Radio Shack, and plugging it into rabbit ears. That should be as good as an HDTVa, right?

I watched the NAB nightlight show on analog KCRA this morning, and noticed that they specifically mention the RCA flat antennas as a combination VHF/UHF. Funny, because Rory specifically mentioned those as causing problems for KXTV viewers.

I would agree that rabbit ears, especially if amplified, should work for 6 and 10. I know 10 is circularly polarized on the original antenna, which is identical to the old channel 13 antenna that I purchased in 1986. We did this to improve reception on rabbit ears, and the theory is still true for digital. I believe the channel 6 antenna has some amount of vertical component, but I could be wrong. If so, rabbit ears should perform OK for 6 also.

The SS-3000 did work on 6 and 10 at the Thai restaurant, so it does sort of work on VHF.

I have one of the RCA flat antennas in my office. On UHF it is better than rabbit ears, but I have not yet tried it on VHF.

Bob
post #7542 of 10016
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Originally Posted by nightowl View Post

I got a CM4228 about 5 years ago, and had an installer do the installation. Total cost out of pocket was 300-400 dollars, and I get a great signal on all local channels from Fair Oaks (Madison and Hazel area). I've never been happier with OTA television as I am since putting that antenna up.

Would you mind giving us "signal strength" readings on all the majors? I am in that same area (Sunset & Kenneth) using a radio shack Yagi, and I saw 6 & 10 go down to 75 (from 95 when they were on UHF). I don't plan to change my antenna, since I have D* too, but I might consider giving the CM4228 a try if I dump D* (or if I see issues when we have a storm). Thanks in advance.
post #7543 of 10016
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

The vast majority of LP stations in the Sacramento area have construction permits for LP digital. Others have told me that the construction permits are good for 3 years after the date of issuance. So who knows when they might convert and good luck trying to find out.

The only local LP station that I know which had gone digital is KMMW which was analog on 47 but is now digital on 28.

I have a speculation on the last remaining analog station KCSO 33 from the Angels Camp site. KNSO Merced is digital on 5 but has a CP for 11 and they say due to some problems, they won't get there for a couple of months. KCSO had a CP for 11 but then applied for and received a CP for 5 claiming co-channel interference from KNSO on 11. I'm betting KCSO will fire up on 5 once it is vacated by KNSO.

I'd also be surprised if the FCC grants any of the applications on file for new analog LPTV.

Chuck

When I'm in Sac again..I will look on a portable TV for those LP channels
post #7544 of 10016
I have two 2007-vintage sets, a 46" upper-end Samsung and a cheapo 37" Toshiba. Also an Alpha-Delta CECB. All work great, but I cannot find on any of them a way to display the incoming RF channel. Is there a generic way to do that on most sets, or is it specific to every brand and model?

I actually got it to display one time on the Toshiba, by accident, but couldn't duplicate it with the remote.

--Ron
post #7545 of 10016
Those of you who were at our transmitter site for the shutdown:

Did anyone take pictures? If so, can you email me some? I might want to use them in the blog. I'd especially like to see a picture of the group of you if one exists.

bhess at cbs dot com

Bob
www.cbs13.com/blogs
post #7546 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris_h2 View Post

Would you mind giving us "signal strength" readings on all the majors? I am in that same area (Sunset & Kenneth) using a radio shack Yagi, and I saw 6 & 10 go down to 75 (from 95 when they were on UHF). I don't plan to change my antenna, since I have D* too, but I might consider giving the CM4228 a try if I dump D* (or if I see issues when we have a storm). Thanks in advance.

These are the signal strength percentages from my Panasonic Plasma tuner, no spectrum analyzer here. All channels are coming in great, no stuttering, no pixelation, no issues related to reception whatsoever:

3 (DTV 35) - 98%
6 (DTV 9) - 100%
10 (DTV 10) - 98%
13 (DTV 25) - 98%
29 (DTV 48) - 98%
31 (DTV 21) - 66%
40(DTV 40) - 98%
58 (DTV 46) - 98

Not sure why KMAX is such a low number, but my Tivo shows much higher. Still, no dropouts at all on it, before or after the transition.

The biggest challenge I had here was getting the antenna up and over the bluffs. Where we are located, there is a small incline to the top of the bluffs, but once over that, it's a clear LOS to Walnut Grove.
post #7547 of 10016
For what it's worth. Not too technical on this end. Had a DB-2 indoor bow-tie style before the switch, lost 6 and 10. Tried a passive flat fish-bone style, not too good. Tried Radio Shack 15-1892 (UFO) and the 15-254(amplified rabbit ears), spotty. Tried plain old rabbit ears (hehe) nothing. On the off-chance, had an old Terk TV10 (flat double loop, passive 300ohm flat lead style) antenna--I caught everything again. I bought two Terk TV5's for my other tvs (similar design, amplified)--catches all again.

Location: Greenback and I-80 area
post #7548 of 10016
Guys,

I have a viewer who lives in Newscastle. He says that Channel 13 is up and down in signal strength - unwatchable. He has a long "yagi" antenna with amplifier and receives the other stations just fine, including some SF stations. I have been suggesting he check alignment of his antenna (since a long antenna is very directional) or try purchasing a 4228 because he has hills behind him and the signal may be reflecting off of the hills. He says he receives 12.1 just fine "off the back of the antenna" and I told him that his antenna could be the problem. If he can receive 12.1 off of the back, he may also have reflections off of the hills hitting his antenna. I tried to explain that the 4228 will reject these reflections. He says there is something wrong with our transmitter and that "I am in denial". He is an engineer and thinks he knows what he is doing. I really am trying to help this guy.

Now, with all of that said, could a few of you give me some comparison readings for the local stations and give me the area you are located in? Those that have posted readings since the 12th, I already have. Anyone in the Newscastle area? Perhaps with the data I get from some of you, I can convince this guy that his antenna does need to be aligned or replaced.

Thanks.

Bob
post #7549 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Hess View Post

Guys,

I have a viewer who lives in Newscastle. He says that Channel 13 is up and down in signal strength - unwatchable. He has a long "yagi" antenna with amplifier and receives the other stations just fine,

Perhaps 13 is overloading the amp? Suggest he take the amp out of the equation and see what happens.
post #7550 of 10016
If I were to put an antenna on the roof here, I would not be caught dead doing it without a rotor, even if I were only looking to receive stations from Walnut Grove. That's what indoor antennas have taught me. I still don't know why the best aim for KMAX on a uhf-only antenna is almost 180 degrees off of what is best for KOVR. There are nearby hills that may have something to do with it.

I'm not the only one seeing a noticeable low signal from KMAX I see. 3 Friday night, 2 Saturday night, and 1 Monday night Giants games on KMAX later, and nothing like the reception meltdown I reported earlier.
post #7551 of 10016
KVIE is having a troubleshooting seminar for DTV tomorrow, where you can meet and talk with the engineers, if anyone is interested. Here's the link:
http://www.kvie.org/rsvp/dtv/default.htm
post #7552 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Hess View Post

Guys,

I have a viewer who lives in Newscastle. He says that Channel 13 is up and down in signal strength - unwatchable. He has a long "yagi" antenna with amplifier and receives the other stations just fine, including some SF stations. I have been suggesting he check alignment of his antenna (since a long antenna is very directional) or try purchasing a 4228 because he has hills behind him and the signal may be reflecting off of the hills. He says he receives 12.1 just fine "off the back of the antenna" and I told him that his antenna could be the problem. If he can receive 12.1 off of the back, he may also have reflections off of the hills hitting his antenna. I tried to explain that the 4228 will reject these reflections. He says there is something wrong with our transmitter and that "I am in denial". He is an engineer and thinks he knows what he is doing. I really am trying to help this guy.

Now, with all of that said, could a few of you give me some comparison readings for the local stations and give me the area you are located in? Those that have posted readings since the 12th, I already have. Anyone in the Newscastle area? Perhaps with the data I get from some of you, I can convince this guy that his antenna does need to be aligned or replaced.

Thanks.

Bob

I looked at the transmitter overlays in Google Earth to see what the signal levels for the New Castle area should be like. Everything from Walnut Grove is very good as long as he lives south of Langs Hill Road. North of there is seriously shadowed and not good. Even farther north the signals pick up again but are spotty.

Engineer or not, I've found that unless you have a spectrum analyzer or a TV with significant diagnostics and the knowledge of what the numbers mean, it's virtually impossible to tell when you can't receive a digital station if the problem is a weak signal and/or multipath.

My spectrum analyzer is out for repair so I had to use the diagnostics on my Sony for relative signal strengths. I use the AGC meter which acts like an inverted signal strength meter. The strongest signal I've ever seen reads 22 and anything above 46 is too weak to recover a picture. Here are the relative strengths this morning. I should note it appeared as though there was an inversion above the KCRA antenna and below all the other Walnut Grove transmitters as the signals were down a bit and multipath was up except for KCRA and K45HC which were stronger than normal. This happens from time to time.

Station - AGC

KCRA - 23
KVIE - 23
KXTV - 25
KOVR - 23
KTFK - 36
KSPX - 23
KMAX - 24
KTXL - 38 (On the digital cliff due to multipath)
KQCA - 27
KCBA - 44 (Very weak distant station but is still solid)

As you can see KOVR is as strong as any station and nearly at maximum. Looks fine to me. Certainly not weak.

I used to troubleshoot all sorts of electronic problems for a living. Maybe I could get a job going around and troubleshooting these non reception problems.

Chuck
post #7553 of 10016
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Originally Posted by DEEPFRINGEGUY View Post

KVIE is having a troubleshooting seminar for DTV tomorrow, where you can meet and talk with the engineers, if anyone is interested. Here's the link:
http://www.kvie.org/rsvp/dtv/default.htm

Interesting! I'd like to hear what they have to say. I'll be there. Anyone else?

--Ron
post #7554 of 10016
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Originally Posted by JNinCA View Post

The SS-2000 (Square Shooter) is notoriously UHF only. Getting KVIE is probably due to a lucky multipath reflection. If you fussed around with the location enough, you may be able to get KXTV.

Thanks for the tip. I tried a VHF hi scanner antenna and it picked up 10.1 and 2 others I already had. Any idea on how to combine my 2 antennas to pick up the channels? I mounted one above the other and used a coax splitter, but only the VHF antenna channels are showing up.
post #7555 of 10016
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Originally Posted by focker View Post

I can vouch for the fact that the Square Shooter does not work at all for me on 6 and 10.

What's your next move? I'm contemplating getting the Winegard GS-2200 but still reading the reviews. Those large boom antennas seem to be doing well for people.
post #7556 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

I looked at the transmitter overlays in Google Earth to see what the signal levels for the New Castle area should be like. Everything from Walnut Grove is very good as long as he lives south of Langs Hill Road. North of there is seriously shadowed and not good. Even farther north the signals pick up again but are spotty.

Engineer or not, I've found that unless you have a spectrum analyzer or a TV with significant diagnostics and the knowledge of what the numbers mean, it's virtually impossible to tell when you can't receive a digital station if the problem is a weak signal and/or multipath.

My spectrum analyzer is out for repair so I had to use the diagnostics on my Sony for relative signal strengths. I use the AGC meter which acts like an inverted signal strength meter. The strongest signal I've ever seen reads 22 and anything above 46 is too weak to recover a picture. Here are the relative strengths this morning. I should note it appeared as though there was an inversion above the KCRA antenna and below all the other Walnut Grove transmitters as the signals were down a bit and multipath was up except for KCRA and K45HC which were stronger than normal. This happens from time to time.

Station - AGC

KCRA - 23
KVIE - 23
KXTV - 25
KOVR - 23
KTFK - 36
KSPX - 23
KMAX - 24
KTXL - 38 (On the digital cliff due to multipath)
KQCA - 27
KCBA - 44 (Very weak distant station but is still solid)

As you can see KOVR is as strong as any station and nearly at maximum. Looks fine to me. Certainly not weak.

I used to troubleshoot all sorts of electronic problems for a living. Maybe I could get a job going around and troubleshooting these non reception problems.

Chuck

Big help!

Thanks, Chuck.

- Bob
post #7557 of 10016
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Originally Posted by KG7OR View Post

Interesting! I'd like to hear what they have to say. I'll be there. Anyone else?

--Ron

Did you notice the RSVP says KVIE and KXTV will both be there? Since they are on different towers, the only connection I can think of is VHF. Maybe Rory has info.

IMHO, I think VHF hi has BETTER propagation than UHF. I think the problem we are seeing with all the people unable to get KVIE/KXTV probably says more about how rotten so many antennas (Silver Sensor, Square Shooter, etc.) are at VHF.

BTW, as a KVIE member, I am unhappy they didn't send me an e'mail telling me about this seminar.
post #7558 of 10016
Quote:
Originally Posted by JNinCA View Post

Did you notice the RSVP says KVIE and KXTV will both be there? Since they are on different towers, the only connection I can think of is VHF. Maybe Rory has info.

IMHO, I think VHF hi has BETTER propagation than UHF. I think the problem we are seeing with all the people unable to get KVIE/KXTV probably says more about how rotten so many antennas (Silver Sensor, Square Shooter, etc.) are at VHF.

BTW, as a KVIE member, I am unhappy they didn't send me an e'mail telling me about this seminar.

They sent me an invite because I'm trying to get them to increase their signal back up 66% to what it used to be when they were on VHF-lo. I'm pretty sure that their lower signal is why I don't receive them now, but did on both analog and digital before... $800.00 donation probably helped too!
post #7559 of 10016
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Originally Posted by KG7OR View Post

My mom's HDTVa works fine on UHF (has a rather good UHF array) but your description of its VHF configuration is correct. With the extensive experimenting I've done, I doubt that *any* rabbit ears or other single-element VHF antenna, amplified or not, will do the job indoors on KVIE and KXTV when you are struggling with a first floor installation and a lot of path issues (a big building at a seniors complex in Mom's case).

Is your mother also living in Lodi? Maybe 15 miles from the towers? I'm amazed that anything, other than a basement, would block VHF hi from only 15 miles. If you're having problems, KXTV must be getting hammered with angry callers.

Considering how much you've already tried, I can only suggest a different converter box (everyone seems to think the Zenith has terrific reception) or stepping up to mounting a 4228 indoors.

I found this article last month by googling: Solving VHF DTV Reception Problems
post #7560 of 10016
Alright, I give up... What the heck is KVIE-DM referenced on tvfool.com?
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