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post #9511 of 10016
I just have Antenna and OTA. Fortunately I am able to get KPIX tonight which is a first... Anytime KOVR goes off the main transmitter, I lose their signal.
post #9512 of 10016
I couldn't record anything on KOVR last night. Not only is the signal poor on the back-up antenna but I have to contend with interference from KQET on Fremont Peak. When I pointed the antenna to Salinas I was able to receive KQET right over KOVR and we didn't even have enhanced conditions last night. KQET only has 1.8 KW ERP in my direction. I hope this doesn't last long.

Chuck
post #9513 of 10016
On the Zenith converter tonight, I have 19-3 (Bounce), 19-4 (Get (coming soon)), but 19-1 and 64-2 are gone.

edit: That was a senior moment. 19-1 and 64-2 aren't on the converters favorites list.
Edited by deltaguy - 11/2/13 at 2:02pm
post #9514 of 10016
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Originally Posted by slk230 View Post

Three guesses and the first ones don't count. KOVR is dead in Martinez AGAIN.
Of course I can't receive KPIX from SF either. So much for watching NCIS...

You probably know this, but anyway, catch all recent episodes on cbs.com. All except the current one, that is.
--Ron
post #9515 of 10016
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Originally Posted by KG7OR View Post

You probably know this, but anyway, catch all recent episodes on cbs.com. All except the current one, that is.
--Ron

You realize that people who rely on OTA DTV reception are trying to save money and probably cannot afford to pay monthly high-speed internet connection fees if high-speed internet is even available in the area. If they could afford such fees, then they could afford satellite or cable DTV service. KOVR should promptly rerun popular prime-time shows missed by many when they do not broadcast the shows at full power. A backup transmitter operating at low power makes no sense for DTV. It may have made sense in the analog days because most people could still receive a signal even if it was filled with "snow". KOVR needs a FULL power backup transmitter for DTV.
post #9516 of 10016
29-6 is up and running. It's HSN (Home Shopping Network).
post #9517 of 10016
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Originally Posted by hammerdwn View Post

It's back again 2013. Person of Interest premiere at the 52 minute mark again!

Now in Stockton on Comcast with 6 Tuner Ceton network tuner recording to HTPC.

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Originally Posted by hammerdwn View Post

KOVR last night's Person of Interest 40 minute mark- Black screen, audio pop/drop, diagonal lines, then return to normal. You would think with more than ten years of operation that a station could get things working right, nah maybe not.

AGAIN... Last night's Hawaii 50 at the 32 minute mark.
post #9518 of 10016
I've been noticing another KOVR issue: the 1 second stutter. It seems to occur at random times.

Chuck

Edit: I wonder if this happens when microwave links are switched when one link fades?
Edited by Calaveras - 12/2/13 at 10:08am
post #9519 of 10016
KACA-LD 34.1 is on the Air

Not very exciting I guess since it's a Daystar station but there hasn't been anything new I could receive for a long time. The transmitter is located south of Manteca and west of Ripon.

It's amazingly strong considering it is 51 miles away, not LOS and just 10KW. Based on its analog signal I never expected its digital signal to be this good. It's almost the identical strength to KQCA and higher SNR. That shows what a poor shot I have to Walnut Grove.

Chuck
post #9520 of 10016
As to CBS, Only some shows are available "on-line". Try watching the Mentalist. Only snippets are ever listed. I do have DSL and watch
some ABC shows if I miss them when broadcast, and I didn't have either of my "DVRs" set to record the shows.

Other TOPICs..
1: Any body trying to watch the Sound of Music on KCRA? Audio mix at my house sucks big time. The music is drowning out the singers to the point that you can't understand what's being said or sung. That's even with knowing the lyrics. Ashame.

2: KVIE at my house shows a very good signal on the Sony signal strength (BER) indicator yet a lot of recent shows have so many drop outs they are unwatchable.

3: Tried watching ION (29.1) one night last week and it was fine for about 3/4 of the movie and then drop out city making watching it impossible. Why? I'm not moving, the antenna isn't moving and I'd assume that their transmitter isn't moving. So why does the signal vary from very good to awful?

Lee
post #9521 of 10016
It appears that KCRA / NBC just changed some setting as we lost audio for a second and when it returned, we can now hear the singers. Oh well we'll be able to enjoy the last 50 mins.
post #9522 of 10016
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

KACA-LD 34.1 is on the Air

Chuck

Anybody in Stockton or Modesto lose CBS-47 because of this ? ..... (Or Merced)

KACA-LD 34 reaches all the way to Merced.

KGPE (RF34) (Fresno) ..... shows signal as far north as Carpenter Rd. @ Hwy 99 and W. 8th street @ Hwy 5 ......... for OTA viewers using Large Outdoor Antennas.
Edited by 888CALLFCC - 12/7/13 at 7:46pm
post #9523 of 10016
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

Anybody in Stockton or Modesto lose CBS-47 because of this ? ..... (Or Merced)

KACA analog has been on 34 for some years so I would think anyone that far north would never have received KGPE. It certainly looks though that someone with a good antenna in Modesto would otherwise be able to receive KGPE.

Chuck
post #9524 of 10016
Someone reported on the Yahoo HD group that channel 15-1 and 15-2 are active from Sacramento. Anyone have any details on the call sign and transmitter location? What programming is on each sub-channel? I want to update my DTV Station List.

Thanks

Larry
SF
post #9525 of 10016
KMUM-CD is probably the station in question. Its analog was 15 and the digital is on 31.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1324700&map=Y

- Trip
post #9526 of 10016
I received this report via email:

Channel 15 is KMUM Sacramento 18kw from valley floor tx site in Rio Linda. 15-1 is KMUM-HD and 15-2 is KMUM-SD. They appear to be testing as they are still running Ion on both channels and now they have their audio in sync. Both channels are called MTV-TR3s and they use the callsign TLMD although there shouldn't be any reason to transmit either TLMD or Ion as both have high power stations in the area so I would guess that MTV-TR3s will continue there as it did on the analog channel.

Thanks for the info that their transmitter is on 31, Trip.

Larry
post #9527 of 10016
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Originally Posted by hammerdwn View Post

KOVR last night's Person of Interest 40 minute mark- Black screen, audio pop/drop, diagonal lines, then return to normal. You would think with more than ten years of operation that a station could get things working right, nah maybe not.
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Originally Posted by hammerdwn View Post


AGAIN... Last night's Hawaii 50 at the 32 minute mark.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammerdwn View Post

It's back again 2013. Person of Interest premiere at the 52 minute mark again!

Now in Stockton on Comcast with 6 Tuner Ceton network tuner recording to HTPC.



AGAIN KOVR tonight's Survivor 51 minute mark. How many years?
post #9528 of 10016
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

I received this report via email:

Channel 15 is KMUM Sacramento 18kw from valley floor tx site in Rio Linda. 15-1 is KMUM-HD and 15-2 is KMUM-SD. They appear to be testing as they are still running Ion on both channels and now they have their audio in sync.

Larry

I can see it on the spectrum analyzer but it is about 10 dB too weak too decode. I'm in a bad location of low level stuff in Sacramento plus there are other stations on almost all the channels they are using.

Chuck
post #9529 of 10016
Hi does anybody here have a CM7777 willing to sell? The one with the seperate uhf and vhf inputs? I have installed my last two and need one more.
Or can someone recommend a good alternative? I really liked the seperate vhf uhf inputs and the built in fm trap.
Thanks
post #9530 of 10016
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Originally Posted by bobbyc View Post

Hi does anybody here have a CM7777 willing to sell? The one with the seperate uhf and vhf inputs? I have installed my last two and need one more.
Or can someone recommend a good alternative? I really liked the seperate vhf uhf inputs and the built in fm trap.
Thanks
The RCA preamp from Audiovox has the double UHF/VHF inputs and an FM trap. Similar to the old CM-7777. And has actually received some good reviews from some tech experts here. And low priced on Amazon for around $23-$25. Also has low noise specs around 2.5-2.8db, and apparently tolerant of overload. Power level around 24db. May be worth a try. Or you could see if Summit Source may still have the original 7777 for around $100. Not sure.
post #9531 of 10016
Also Fry's Electronics was selling the RCA preamp in store. Saw it on the shelves in their Georgia store.
post #9532 of 10016
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Someone reported on the Yahoo HD group that channel 15-1 and 15-2 are active from Sacramento. Anyone have any details on the call sign and transmitter location? What programming is on each sub-channel? I want to update my DTV Station List.

Thanks

Larry
SF
Holiday Roadshow aircheck.... 15-1 is Spanish HD and 15-2 is SD. .... (Did not find the RF channel for that one) .... maybe RF15 ?

Serious video uplink problems with 15-2 ..... basically its not watchable. Same programming as 15-1 but frozen and messed up.

Serious audio problems with 38-1 (RF 4) ..... Hey idiots..mad.gif .... Your volume is 5 times LOUDER than all other stations..... send you a bill for blown speakers...... Stupid channel 4

Signal on 51 but ?

33-1 (RF-3) Pixelation sometimes because antenna farm is right (A few degrees) .... (And your channel is Left) ... a few degrees..... you lose.

12-1 and 12-(CW-10) ...... Small town tv stations have cheezy local commercials ....... Running inside a hardware store ?

Still not sure what / where (RF) 20, 23, 51 are ?

The tv converter box does not have a analog tuner...... sorry analog stations.
post #9533 of 10016
I've noticed that the LPTV stations have a lot of problems keeping their digital channels going. Almost all of them are just translator stations and it appears that no one monitors them. Weeks can go by until they get fixed.

The LPTV stations in and around Sacramento have a number of transmitter sites. 15, 20, 23 and 51 are in or near the City of Sacramento.

You may have been getting pixelization on KCSO 33-1 because of noise on RF 3. I have not seen any problems with them here. They are at the Angels Camp transmitter site along with RF 18 and 28.

Channel 12 (RF 43) is KHSL in Chico.

The city of license for RF 4 is Esparto but their coverage contour doesn't cover Esparto. I don't how they managed that.

Chuck
Edited by Calaveras - 12/26/13 at 11:56am
post #9534 of 10016
Quote:
The RCA preamp from Audiovox has the double UHF/VHF inputs and an FM trap.

The RCA Pre-amp is a virtual clone of the old CM7778 medium gain pre-amp.
post #9535 of 10016
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post


The LPTV stations in and around Sacramento have a number of transmitter sites. 15, 20, 23 and 51 are in or near the City of Sacramento.
Chuck

Valley floor LPTV does not work very well..... (Unlike bay area mountain top LPTV)
Not worth $ ... joining a 1 - 10% signal to a cluster of stations all 90% to 100%
LPTV is just a tax write off for the owners ...... Nobody is watching them, due to the audio / video problems I noticed.

I want LPTV.... KPIX (42-5) here, but I did not see "any" signal on 42 with the fixed attic antenna pointed to Walnut Grove. Not even 1 %
Computer models show LOS signal here from Mt. Vaca ? .... Is 42 working ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

You may have been getting pixelization on KCSO 33-1 because of noise on RF 3. I have not seen any problems with them here. They are at the Angels Camp transmitter site along with RF 18 and 28.

Channel 12 (RF 43) is KHSL in Chico.

The city of license for RF 4 is Esparto but their coverage contour doesn't cover Esparto. I don't how they managed that.

Chuck

I don't think we have a noise issue here with RF 3 or RF 4. Any noise issues here seem temporary..... For whatever reason, ... I noticed it on hot summer days around 10am to 1pm ..... (When the full power analogs used Low-VHF)
3, 18, 28 same problems, huge signal drops with antenna to Walnut Grove.
15-1 ..... is not MTV3s ..... (the 5 minutes I watched it.) ...... Its a major network I forgot.... I will send a email to family to tell me what it is..... Signal is strong in Roseville..... Can't verify RF 31 because its faux used. Scanning & deleting takes a very long time here....starting with the low vhf.
KHSL in Chico is CBS.... So we have 2 CBS right next to each other 12 & 13 ..... with different programming.
12-2 .... They list as CW-10 .... also has different programming.
Tons & tons of repeated spanish networks ..... all over the dial.... I will need pen and paper to keep score on those.

No Daystar network here.....biggrin.gif ..... What will I do ?
post #9536 of 10016
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post


I want LPTV.... KPIX (42-5) here, but I did not see "any" signal on 42 with the fixed attic antenna pointed to Walnut Grove. Not even 1 %
Computer models show LOS signal here from Mt. Vaca ? .... Is 42 working ?

No, it is not on the air and the construction permit is 4 1/2 years old so it'll probably never be.

Quote:
I don't think we have a noise issue here with RF 3 or RF 4. Any noise issues here seem temporary..... For whatever reason, ... I noticed it on hot summer days around 10am to 1pm ..... (When the full power analogs used Low-VHF)

Almost everyone has at least intermittent noise on low VHF. It's just a question as to whether it is strong enough to drop the channel. For low VHF DTV to work you need an outdoor antenna and a strong signal. I never saw noise on 2, 4 or 5 when I lived in Fremont but I sure did in Sunnyvale. Low VHF on an indoor antenna is completely hopeless.

Quote:
KHSL in Chico is CBS.... So we have 2 CBS right next to each other 12 & 13 ..... with different programming.
12-2 .... They list as CW-10 .... also has different programming.

KION does the same thing as KHSL, CBS in HD on the .1 subchannel and CW in SD on the .2 subchannel. They have the same programming but KOVR shows everything 1 hour earlier.

Chuck
post #9537 of 10016
The antenna I used in Roseville is a all-band CM-3018 vee style combo antenna. (From Dale-Ace Hardware) ..... Installed in the garage attic. About 10 feet elevation indoors.

It is simply connected to the phone / tv demarcation point.

The goal was to match ...... exactly the same locals the cable company offers..... And it does exactly that .... and then some.... KHSL-12 reception is just a fluke / chance ..... and was not planned....(Most likely picked up backwards from the vee style-vhf elements)

I do not notice any problems with low-vhf with this install .... This antenna fully covers 2-69

You can see a few bay area stations come and go such as 7, 36, 45 but thats it ..... Not at signal levels worth any effort.



Next year, ... I may join / add a dedicated Chico UHF antenna.... That location clearly works here..... But the Redding stations don't work here, .... only the Chico ones.

That may bring PBS KIXE 9 in. (RF 9 &18) ........... The dial for full power stations would be like 3,6,9,10,12,13 ....... Bummer about KPIX 42 ....
post #9538 of 10016
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Originally Posted by hammerdwn View Post



AGAIN KOVR tonight's Survivor 51 minute mark. How many years?
I have yet to see this problem. I haven't read the whole thread. Enlighten me. I didn't miss a single episode of Survivor. Never noticed what you are describing. I take it you are seeing this on Comcast?

Bob
post #9539 of 10016
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Originally Posted by Bob Hess View Post

I have yet to see this problem. I haven't read the whole thread. Enlighten me. I didn't miss a single episode of Survivor. Never noticed what you are describing. I take it you are seeing this on Comcast?

Bob
The original from 4/15/12: http://www.avsforum.com/t/397256/sacramento-ca-ota/9180#post_21911385
Shows that OTA users also see it. I've seen it on Comcast in Sacramento and now in Stockton. It's always the same thing- The video goes to horizontal/diagonal lines, then there is a pop noise, then the video goes black with no audio. About 5-10 seconds later it comes back on and is normal. Usually see it about once a week. Have not seen it in about 3 weeks but that is most likely because lots of reruns this time of year.
post #9540 of 10016
Next time someone sees this problem, send me an email with the time and date. I absolutely have not seen this. I'm not saying the problem does not exist, but perhaps only certain receivers see it.

bhess at cbs dot com

- Bob
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