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post #1 of 189
Thread Starter 
Hi,

With all the talk about the 34XBR960 (and also the 34XS955 to some lesser degree), it seems the cheaper Sony 2004 lineup -- the KV-**HS420 line -- went under everybody's radar...

From a twice.com article:

http://www.twice.com/article/CA402154.html?display=News

"New Hi-Scan series FD Trinitron WEGA HDTV monitors feature a solid silver tone with rounded corner cabinetry. This year's line is highlighted by the company's first 27-inch Hi-Scan model – the KV-27HS420 ($749). The HS series will also include the 30W-inch widescreen KV-30HS420 ($999), the 32-inch 4:3 KV-32HS420 ($999), 34W-inch 16:9 KV-34HS420 and the KV-36HS420. All Hi-Scan models include dual component video inputs and HDMI/HCDP interfaces."

The 420s appeared today on the website of Canadian retailer Dumoulin:

http://www.dumoulin.ca/sections/elec...420&codFab=SON
http://www.dumoulin.ca/sections/elec...420&codFab=SON

The 34HS420 is 500CAN$ cheaper than the canadian MSRP for the 34HS510.
The 30HS420 is 300CAN$ cheaper than the canadian MSRP for the 30HS510.

-- Patate
post #2 of 189
Thanks for posting the link, I am looking to buy a new 27†TV and was wondering/figuring that Sony should be coming out with a 27†HD WEGA soon. I am defiantly interested in the KV-27HS420, I wish it told when it was coming out. I hope over this summer. Does anyone know how long the current 27†WEGA’s have been out?
post #3 of 189
Thread Starter 
Most of the 2004 lineup is expected around August/September (except for the KV-34XBR960 which is expected in June).

-- Patate
post #4 of 189
Patate - thanks for posting the link to that press release. This is more thorough than Sony's own press release as it has more info about their lineup of direct view tube TVs. It kinda jumps around a bit so i've broken them down by group, but from what i can gather there will only be one XBR now (the 34") and it's the only one to have their new "2nd generation Super Fine Pitch" picture tube where the SX series has the regular Super Fine Pitch picture tube. These are the four models that will have the integrated ATSC/NTSC/QAM tuners, cable card slot:

KD-34XBR960 ($2,200, June)

KD-34SX955 ($2,000, August)
KD-30SX955 ($1,400, August)
KD-36SX955 ($1,900, October)

Then it appears their new non-integrated HD-ready lineup will have a new rounded-corner cabinet design and are all solid silver in color (yuck). The good thing is their 27" has two component inputs unlike Panasonic's new 27" that has only one:

KV-27HS420 ($749)
KV-32HS420 ($999)
KV-36HS420 (no price)
KV-30HS420 ($999)
KV-34HS420 (no price)

Lastly the two new FS series models in 32" and 36" look like they might be analog sets since they appear after all their "Hi-Scan" models that are said to have dual component video inputs and HDMI/HCDP interfaces. I presume Sony will continue their line of smaller-than-27" analog TVs but i wonder if the TV manufacturers should continue to make analogs now that all broadcasts will be digital in a few years? I would think any new small TVs should need to be digital, or at least have the ability to recieve a digital broadcast.
post #5 of 189
Thread Starter 
FYI, as noted in another thread, some of the HS420 models are on Sony's website.

It appears the main difference between the HS510 and the HS420 line are:

HS420 is cheaper.
HS420 has a new cabinet.
HS420 lineup includes a 27" set.
HS420 lacks dual tuner/Picture-in-picture function.
HS420 lacks "subwoofer" (if you can call it that?)
HS420 has HDMI instead of DVI (HDMI is like DVI but with audio as well - very minor difference)

Not all models are online yet (the 27" and 34" are still missing) but check out the others here:

KV-30HS420 30" 16:9 -- 999$

KV-32HS420 32" 4:3 -- 999$


-- Patate
post #6 of 189
Is it known (or expected) that the picture quality of these 420 models will at least equal (if not surpass) that of the 510s? If the only thing missing is a sub and PIP, this sounds like the best deal out there right now...
post #7 of 189
Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Biceps
Is it known (or expected) that the picture quality of these 420 models will at least equal (if not surpass) that of the 510s? If the only thing missing is a sub and PIP, this sounds like the best deal out there right now...
Yea, Billy, I agree. I wonder what level of technology/ quality the 420 series will bring. It would "make sense" that P.Q. would be "in there" with the 510 series (aside from the whistles and bells...I reiterate, the P.Q.) But again, we will just have to wait and see. Personally, I'd love to see a 27" (4:3) in the 910 series, w/ "Super Fine Pitch" (?), but am excited to find HD w/ Sony quality in a 27".:)
post #8 of 189
Thread Starter 
I'll bet you guys a nickel that the 420s are *exactly* the same as the 510s (except for the differences stated above). It would make no sense for Sony to develop yet another tube. The tube in the 420s is very very likely to be identical to the one in the 510 (which was identical to the one in the XBR800).

As for a Super-Fine-Pitch 27", unless watching from 1 foot away or less, you probably couldn't see the extra definition a Super-Fine-Pitch tube would give you...

--Patate
post #9 of 189
Quote:
Originally posted by 1212patatepoil
As for a Super-Fine-Pitch 27", unless watching from 1 foot away or less, you probably couldn't see the extra definition a Super-Fine-Pitch tube would give you...
--Patate [/b]
You missed my point. I was saying that when you sit 4 1/2 feet from the 510, you WILL see scan lines...with the super-fine pitch, you will NOT. Nobody should sit close enough to see scan lines. The 510 and I'm sure the 420 (because they are HD) will have finer scan lines than analog (of course).
post #10 of 189
Thanks for all the info. This helps a lot.

Doug
post #11 of 189
is a 30" widescreen still too small if im viewing it from 8 feet away ?


i dont have money to go any larger
post #12 of 189
sorry dont know how this got posted twice
post #13 of 189
Quote:
Originally posted by Sanborn
is a 30" widescreen still too small if im viewing it from 8 feet away ?


i dont have money to go any larger
It doesn't meet the "ideal" under the formula for the point that scan lines "disappear"...in other words, the scan lines disappear at what...around six or 6 1/2 ft for a 30"...which simply means that you could go bigger at that same distance, and cover a bit more of your periphial vision (more immersive viewing). ;)
post #14 of 189
Thread Starter 
Well, the lineup is now almost complete on sonystyle.com. However, we now have MSRPs for the entire HS420 lineup.

KV-27HS420 ($749) <-- still missing.
KV-32HS420 ($999)
KV-36HS420 (1499$)

KV-30HS420 ($999)
KV-34HS420 (1599$)


-- Patate
post #15 of 189
This evening I went to my local Fry's Electronics to look arround/compare the new TV 's out there.
In the Direct View area they had a lot of HD Capable tube sets-4:3 as well as 16:9, all showing an HDNet signal.
While the picture on the 16:9's was great, on the 4:3 sets that were displaying in the "fill all screen mode" (no horizontal black bars) the image was rather terribly distorted-the heads of people on the screen were horrible, same for writing as well as all other things showing...none had their natural shapes.
Well, not until you looked at the new 32HS420...It just looked fantastic in the "fill" mode. All shapes and forms on it, looked just as good as on the 16:9 sets, only bigger.
Right next to the 32HS420 they had a KV-32FV310 displaying the same HDNet programme in the very same "fill" mode, and the difference was night and day. While the image on the 420 was very natural-just like the normal image a 4:3 set would display, the image on the FV310 was downright awful-very badly distorted. It's really worth it to try and have this comparison done before springing for a new tube set. Sony did a great job at improving the "fill" mode on this new set, and I assume on all other 4:3 sets in the 420 generation.
So, one can add this improved " fill" mode to the list of new features for the 420's.
Cheers, SM
post #16 of 189
Just an FYI,the KV32FV310 isnt even an HDTV model , It's Analog.
post #17 of 189
Quote:
Originally posted by SoundMeister
This evening I went to my local Fry's Electronics to look arround/compare the new TV 's out there.
In the Direct View area they had a lot of HD Capable tube sets-4:3 as well
Well, not until you looked at the new 32HS420...It just looked fantastic in the "fill" mode. All shapes and forms on it, looked just as good as on the 16:9 sets, only bigger.
Right next to the 32HS420 they had a KV-32FV310 displaying the same HDNet programme in the very same "fill" mode, and the difference was night and day. While the image on the 420 was very natural-just like the normal image a 4:3 set would display, the image on the FV310 was downright awful-very badly distorted. It's really worth it to try and have this comparison done before springing for a new tube set. Sony did a great job at improving the "fill" mode on this new set, and I assume on all other 4:3 sets in the 420 generation.
So, one can add this improved " fill" mode to the list of new features for the 420's.
Cheers, SM
Thanks for the great update, SoundMeister. Very encouraging. This looks like thee bedroom TV for me! (27" version) Any other comments about this unit (e.g. geometry, color-red push?, etc.) Also, I have been wondering how it "handles" NTSC / 480i material?
post #18 of 189
ill be getting my kv32hs420 this wednesday. hopefully it wont have the same problem as my kv32hs510, the scrolling white line
post #19 of 189
RLV-
Please give us a review of the 420 when you get it set up. I'd sure like to know how you like it, and any comparison with the 510 P.Q.;)
post #20 of 189
Quote:
Originally posted by WOLVERNOLE
RLV-
Please give us a review of the 420 when you get it set up. I'd sure like to know how you like it, and any comparison with the 510 P.Q.;)
i definitly will, im just praying that it doesnt suffer from the scrolling verticle line syndrome
post #21 of 189
post #22 of 189
Well I spent a LOT of time in front of the KV-32HS420 today, over at BB. I was able to alternately view the 510, and the 32" Toshiba HD as well. First off, I did NOT see ANT verticle white line drifting "from right to left" whatsoever, on any Sony units. This is one smokin' direct-view unit. The stretch looked great (4:3) on wide material (to fill the screen). I could not get a true 480i / NTSC, or SD signal, but the BB ads looked real nice, indicating that this TV can do a fine job with that sort of material. I think Sony has a winner with the 2 components.;)
post #23 of 189
Has anyone seen the 30" (30hs420)? I can preorder it for ~$850, but today would be the last day of that deal. So far the 32" sounds good but I'd really like to know how the 30" scales SD signals. I'm so close to just ordering it but I'd like to see some kind of a review first
post #24 of 189
nt
post #25 of 189
I tend to think the KV-32HS420 will be a big time winner as well. Sony has priced this set competitively with the forthcoming introductions from Toshiba and Panasonic. In person, the set looks pretty good as well and not like some of Sony's analog 32 inch set whose design has grown stale.

I just wish the upcoming KV-34HS420 was priced a little lower as well and had small dimensions. If I go with a 34 inch widescreen, I may end up going with Toshiba or Panasonic. I like the Toshiba's small dimensions and the Panasonic may end up being the best price/performance widescreen set.
post #26 of 189
Just wondering if anyone has heard when Sony intends to release the 27" version of the 420 series...the KV-27HS420 ?
post #27 of 189
i just took delivery of a 32hs420. Not hooked up yet, but looks pretty good, not as appealing as my now returned kv32hs510. The New 420 does indeed have a HDMI input, and has all the same features as the HS510 models except Picture in picture. It has the Wideband video amplifier as well as the HD detailer. I hope the dreaded sweeping bar problem when receiving a 1080i source isnt the same with these new models
post #28 of 189
I plan on purchasing a 36HS420 when it becomes available. I talked to a rep at Sony and he indicated that it will be available "on or around" July 2, 2004.

Here's hoping ;)

XP-Elwood
post #29 of 189
WEll here is a review of the set, its great, picture quality is as good as the 510 obviously. Here is the problem though, the vertical scrolling bar is back, but u cant even see it, u can barely make it out when I turn the cable box off and leave the tv on. On the 510 i could see it from far away on this set i have to get literally inches from the set to notice it. But sometimes its not even present. For those of you that know about this problem and were thinking about this set, dont fret, its not even an issue on the 420 like it was on the 510.
post #30 of 189
Question about these sets:

Can the service menu be found and do I have to be knowledgeable in converting binary to latin to english in order to understand it? I.e., could a semi-knowledgeable user be able to adjust, say, geometry?
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