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post #31 of 189
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Originally posted by RLVTEC
WEll here is a review of the set, its great, picture quality is as good as the 510 obviously. Here is the problem though, the vertical scrolling bar is back, but u cant even see it, u can barely make it out when I turn the cable box off and leave the tv on. On the 510 i could see it from far away on this set i have to get literally inches from the set to notice it. But sometimes its not even present. For those of you that know about this problem and were thinking about this set, dont fret, its not even an issue on the 420 like it was on the 510.
THANKS FOR THE UPDATE, AND THE REASSURANCE ON THIS, APPARENTLY GREAT SONY ADDITION !;)
post #32 of 189
Just wondering if anyone has seen the 27" version of the Sony 420 line yet, i.e. the KV-27HS420 ?
post #33 of 189
Does the 30HS420 accept 720p?
post #34 of 189
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Originally posted by Bionic_Tuna
Does the 30HS420 accept 720p?
All the HD Sonys accept 720p and upconvert it to 1080i.
post #35 of 189
Great, thanks. I'll be picking up this TV next week I hope.
post #36 of 189
FYI: The 30" Widescreen model is on sale at Circuit City for either $899.00 or no interest for 18 months. I'm considering doing it. Any reason not to (32" is just too massive)?

EDIT: Question: Does each input have its own brightness, color, etc. settings or is it one for all? Also, no one has answered my question about the service menu.
post #37 of 189
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Originally posted by WOLVERNOLE
Just wondering if anyone has seen the 27" version of the Sony 420 line yet, i.e. the KV-27HS420 ?
Nothing yet at sonystyle.com. I am very interested in this model as well. Anyone know the projected release date?
post #38 of 189
I went into CC yesterday with full intention of buying the 30HS420 at 10% off list price plus free shipping, until the very nice salesman pointed me in another direction. Right around the corner from that set was the 30XBR910 on clearance with free stand for $200 more than the list price of the 30HS420. That effectively makes the base price of the TV the same price as the 30HS420. At first I thought that it was an open box buy, but the salesman said that he had 2 brand new units in stock at that price. There was no way I was going to pass that deal up, so I bought it. He then proceeded to offer me the $299 5 year CC extended warranty. I had a 10% off TVs coupon that I got when I moved to my new place and decided to see how much I could bargain if I got the extended warranty. Just for kicks I told him I would buy the warranty if he could take 10% off the TV, give me 18 months interest free financing, and free shipping. He said he'd talk to his manager to see what he could do. 5 minutes later he comes back and floored me when he said it was a deal. He said he was amazed that the manager approved it because the 10% off coupon and 18 mo no interest financing normally exclude the XBR series. Now I await with great anticipation for the delivery of my new XBR910 with free stand and extended 5 year warranty tomorrow. This great clearance price on the 30XBR910 can only mean the very near release of the 30XBR960. I love CC!
post #39 of 189
Wow Uroman, you got a very nice deal!
post #40 of 189
I just returned from my CC in suburban Phila and they still don't have the 34xbr960 in the computer and the 910 was only 10% of list price. I also noticed the 30HS420. Although I played with the menu for a while, I couldn't get the picture to look as good as I thought it should. Big difference between the PQ of the 420 and the 910. It didn't seem to be as good a picture as the 510.

Has anyone else thought the same thing about the 420? I expected it to look better.

Uro, where was this CC?
post #41 of 189
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Originally posted by KyPeN

EDIT: Question: Does each input have its own brightness, color, etc. settings or is it one for all? Also, no one has answered my question about the service menu. [/b]
No, each input does not have it's own video setting. However, the remote has a picture button that allows you to cycle through four video options - vivid, standard, movie, and pro. You can fully customize the settings on each of those alternatives, and there is a reset button to return to the original factory modes.
There is no mention of the service menu in the factory manual.
post #42 of 189
[quote]Originally posted by RJB in Phila
[b]I just returned from my CC in suburban Phila and they still don't have the 34xbr960 in the computer and the 910 was only 10% of list price. I also noticed the 30HS420. Although I played with the menu for a while, I couldn't get the picture to look as good as I thought it should. Big difference between the PQ of the 420 and the 910. It didn't seem to be as good a picture as the 510.

Has anyone else thought the same thing about the 420? I expected it to look better.

NO, I did not think the same thing. I could SEE nothing different in the picture quality between the 510 and the 420...and I doubt that you could either- if both had the same signal, had the same connections and were equally "tweaked."
I actually looked at a 510 and a 420 two sets apart, and aside from obviously being "set up" a bit differently, these sets were as close as could possibly be ( I don't think two 510's would even look exactly the same re. P.Q.-wise).
post #43 of 189
Thanks, Wolvernole. I thought I was allowed to have my own opinion. I guess not.:)
post #44 of 189
Well, went to Circuit City today. Bought 2 of the 30" Widescreens. One for me, one for my mom. Because we bought 2, the very nice and cooperative manager gave us 18 months no interest, 10% off, and free delivery on both sets. We also bought the extended warrenty on 1 set, because they don't need to know which set screws up (assuming it happens) do they?
post #45 of 189
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Originally posted by KyPeN
We also bought the extended warrenty on 1 set, because they don't need to know which set screws up (assuming it happens) do they?
The CC EW is tied to a specific serial number. You won't get away with pulling a switcheroo if you try to get the one that isn't covered repaired for free.
post #46 of 189
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Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Thanks, Wolvernole. I thought I was allowed to have my own opinion. I guess not.:)
RJB-
Of course you have a right to your opinion and I spent a certain percentage of my life defending that right. If you meant a difference between the 910 and 420, I do not think you would see ANY disagreement. You previously asked for other's opinion, and I gave mine. But when you compare the 510 with the 420, I see NO real P.Q. difference and I gave explanation. This 420 is being offered at a relatively "bargain" price. I (we're back to I.M.H.O. ) think the 420 equals or exceeds my and others original expectations, at this price. If you look at the Panasonic of about $150. less, you will note that it's P.Q. is not quite as good and it only has ONE component.
Well, we might just have to agree to disagree. I noted that KyPeN must have thought pretty highly of the 420 ! ;)
post #47 of 189
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Originally posted by RJB in Phila
Thanks, Wolvernole. I thought I was allowed to have my own opinion. I guess not.:)
Sure you do. Fortunately, however, the quick comparison for me between the two side by side at my local CC today indicated that I couldn't really tell a difference between the two, meaning that I would likely be pretty happy with the HS420 at the lower price. However, I don't think I am pulling the trigger on anything in this size range yet. I would be looking at this size range for the bedroom but already have HD in the main room so I will wait for a while. But I did like what I saw today.
post #48 of 189
randywalters mentioned in the panasonic thread that the sony(30") had that screen door/ scanlines look even 8 ft away. Did anyone else see it that way too? 8ft away is too far to watch 30" TV(in my opinion). thanks,

jason
post #49 of 189
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Originally posted by jason978
randywalters mentioned in the panasonic thread that the sony(30") had that screen door/ scanlines look even 8 ft away. Did anyone else see it that way too? 8ft away is too far to watch 30" TV(in my opinion). thanks,

jason
Nope. I was within 5 to 6 feet and saw no screendoor effect, just a great picture.
post #50 of 189
I'm in a very similar position.

I went in to my store yesterday fully expecting to purchase a 420 too. Got the same response as the poster above- an attractive offer for the 510; mine was the 510 for only $100 more (no stand, but don't need one). That threw me for a loop because I hadn't researched the 510 as much- so I walked out empty handed to regroup and do more research. Note I was looking at the 32"s mostly, so that makes a difference. Not sure how much I'm allowed to say about prices. The 420 was at list minus the 10% off TVs sale. The 510 I could get for the list of the 420.

As near as I can tell, going with the 510 gives me: PIP (don't care), better sound (don't care).... 420 gives me (HDMI - don't care, yet), $100 cheaper, sense I got the "newer" model for whatever that's worth.

I didn't have the ability to view side by side in the store. If picture quality is truly equal, I still think I'm leaning to the 420, just wasn't ready to pull the trigger after that last minute surprise. I guess my conclusion is that even if they were the same price, I'd get the 420. Is that crazy?

Any more opinions on the differences would be welcome!
post #51 of 189
Initial Impressions - 4 hours after delivery

The first thing I did after connecting everything is pop in Ninja Gaiden on the X-Box. WOW did it look crappy! Colors, contrast, the works were AWFUL.

So I calibrated it. MY GOD did it need it. I have NEVER seen a TV with the factory settings THIS far off.

I'm now watching Terminator 2: EE through the X-Box (don't have another Progressive Scan DVD player as of yet, my first HDTV). Its beautiful. The details are staggering.

Regular TV looks no better than can be expected. The line doubler does its job quite effectively.

The overscan is quite good. All edges were at ~5%, except the top, which was considerably worse. However, in the menu, there is a setting for vertical alignment, and since my overscan at the bottom was considerably better than all edges (~2%), I simply compensated, and they are all at about 5%.

Overall, as of now, I'm very happy. More to come.
post #52 of 189
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Originally posted by KyPeN
Initial Impressions - 4 hours after delivery

The first thing I did after connecting everything is pop in Ninja Gaiden on the X-Box. WOW did it look crappy! Colors, contrast, the works were AWFUL.

So I calibrated it. MY GOD did it need it. I have NEVER seen a TV with the factory settings THIS far off.

I'm now watching Terminator 2: EE through the X-Box (don't have another Progressive Scan DVD player as of yet, my first HDTV). Its beautiful. The details are staggering.

Regular TV looks no better than can be expected. The line doubler does its job quite effectively.

Overall, as of now, I'm very happy. More to come.
KyPeN :

Could you be more specific about the NTSC being "no better than can be expected." ?? Does it make analog or SD material look as good or better than a good analog set ? That's my concern. I'm sure 480p and 1080i looks great.

BTW, don't be too surprised that your set looked like dog meat out of the box. It was probably set on "torch mode" to scald the eyes out of customers in the store. Isn't brighter ALWAYS BETTER ?? (tongue in cheek).
The great thing is that it sounds like you tweaked that baby into hi-def nirvana and you're enjoying it. Thanks for the review...and give us more updates! Enjoy! :cool:
post #53 of 189
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Originally posted by kyleschaffer
Any more opinions on the differences would be welcome!
I've actually seen the 420 on top of the 510 (32" over 36") and couldn't see a picture difference playing HD. But honestly for $100 more I'd probably get the 510, as long as it wasn't a demo. Why? Because the 510 looks more attractive. Sony defininitely saved some money on the case of the new 420 line.

Heck, if you bargain hard you can probably get the 510 for the same price.
post #54 of 189
Honestly, NTSC does look noticably WORSE than an analog television. Oddly enough, cartoons look quite good. The lack of detail can PARTIALLY be attributed to the zoom/stretch in order to make 4:3 fit the 16:9 screen. It does look comparable to analog w/out the strech mode turned on, so I wouldn't worry about that if you are looking at the 32" 4:3 model.

I got some Soul Calibur 2 working on 720p today. I thinked I pee'd my pants 3 times each match. OMFG IT Ro><OrZ (@#%^(@!!!!
post #55 of 189
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Originally posted by KyPeN
Honestly, NTSC does look noticably WORSE than an analog television. Oddly enough, cartoons look quite good. The lack of detail can PARTIALLY be attributed to the zoom/stretch in order to make 4:3 fit the 16:9 screen. It does look comparable to analog w/out the strech mode turned on, so I wouldn't worry about that if you are looking at the 32" 4:3 model.

I got some Soul Calibur 2 working on 720p today. I thinked I pee'd my pants 3 times each match. OMFG IT Ro><OrZ (@#%^(@!!!!
KyPeN :

Yea, I thought so. You are one of the few truly honest people about these direct-view units STILL not doing NTSC as well as analog. I plan on getting the 27" 4:3 KV-27HS420...and maybe w/ the 4:3 and smaller screen, it will handle 480i a little cleaner looking.
OK, I was wondering how some of the X-Box 720p games out would do with this unit. I thiiiiink you answered THAT one pretty succinctly !:D
Hey, I heard that "True Crime," and "Freedom Fighters" were also 720p. Have you had any experience w/ these? I bet your new units really screams with those as well !
post #56 of 189
I knew about Freedon Fighters (wasn't a huge fan of the game on the PC) but not True Crime in 720p. Blockbuster may be getting a visit! Thanks buddy!

About the 27" 4:3 screen, I agree. I think 480i will look cleaner.

I would also like to comment on 480i as a whole, not necessarily just cable. Hooking up my Gamecube through S-Video was very impressive. Jaggies were noticably reduced over an analog TV, which is impressive being I'm comparing to a 20" analog TV (smaller TV, smaller jaggies). I would comment on PS2 games in 480p, but my Monster Cable is falling appart (how typical). I will do a replacement through the company, which will probably take weeks, and then comment on this system as well.

BTW: My reference game for Gamecube was Mario Cart: Double Dash

I also have a question. My computer, which is no more than 5 feet away from my TV, has a DVI-out jack. This TV has HDMI-in. If I get a DVI-to-HDMI cable (can be had online for ~$50 from what I can tell), and set the resolution to 1280x720 @ 60hz (I can get powerstrip up-and-going if need be), will I be able to have 720p from my computer on my TV? And yes, I know the TV will convert it to 1080i.
post #57 of 189
I've been watching this thread with interest. I took back my Zenith C27v36 (buzzing, blown out whies) and wouldn't mind plunking down for a Sony if they are that much better.

If you want HD Xbox games, try the latest Tony Hawk (either 720p or 1080i), Dragon's Lair (1080i and 720p), Freedom Fighters, and any of the sega sports titles (all 720p on Xbox).

Wait till Sega's next generation of Sport's titles on Xbox to be blown away. Normal mapping, like the Chronicles of Riddick game. Suh-weet.
post #58 of 189
^^ Segas new NFL Football 2k5 game is rumored to be released at only $20 new. And the game looks amazing.

2 best looking xbox games comming out soon:

NFL 2k5 (sega)
Burnout 3
post #59 of 189
I just picked up the 30HS420 today, it looks fantastic. Mine didn't need any tweaking at all, picture looks great right out of the box.
post #60 of 189
I always thought the TV's look great out of the box too, but so many people here extoll the virtues of calibration. It ends up looking better!
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