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post #121 of 6013
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Originally posted by ranold
Ok, I'm a noob to this thread and digital cable. I just got a Motorola 6208 today. Will this work with my ATI AIW 8500dv? My 6208 firmware is 7.11.

Yes it should work.
post #122 of 6013
I wonder if the DTVRecorder will support 5C somehow.
post #123 of 6013
Instructions worked like a champ. Thanks for all the hard work. Just make sure you aren't on a 5C channel when you try the "watch live TV". Or else you will be disappointed until you figure out that you might need to change the channel like I did.

Tim Huey
post #124 of 6013
Is there some way to play transport streams from XP via firewire back to a display device directly?
post #125 of 6013
anabil, it depends upon the display device. I'm told that Mits DTVs all wanna be the bus controller, so they can't be used because the appropriate sw doesn't exist on the PC (yet...do a search for "firebus" to see news of some so-far vaporware that promises to do that job). But if you're lucky enough to have a "dumb" DTV like my Sony XBR2, the answer is "yes", as I've posted here before.

{Edit: OMG, can't let that typo stand!}
post #126 of 6013
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Originally posted by TPeterson
anabil, it depends upon the display device. I'm told that Mits DTVs all wanna be the bus controller, so they can't be used because the appropriate sw doesn't exist on the PC (yet...do a search for "firebus" to see news of some so-far vaporware that promises to do that job). But if you're lucky enough to have a "dumb" DTV like my Sony XBR2, the answer is "yes", as I've posted hear before.

Please post the link to your post, thanks.
post #127 of 6013
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Originally posted by anabil
Please post the link to your post, thanks.

Sorry, but you have as much use of the Forum's search function as do I.
post #128 of 6013
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Originally posted by bdraw
Yes it should work.

Thank you very much! Bought a 1394 6pin cable and hooked it all up, followed the instructions at the beginning of the thread....Worked like a charm!!!!!
post #129 of 6013
After reading this thread, I'm curious as whether all this wonderful info pertains to either of the two firewire cable boxes used on Long Island's cablevision system. The sa4200HD and the sony DHG-M55CV.

Thanks in advance,

jeff
post #130 of 6013
I too want to that the orginal poster for making this thread (along with his sources). Been able to sucessfully dump the HD versions of Deadwood and Sopranos to my hard drive. Next up, conversion/downsampling for archive to DVD-r with minimal loss of quality. Woo Hoo!
post #131 of 6013
My XP PC is my main PC and it is in my office upstairs, I have a couple of spare PC's, but their older processors and i was wondering if i format them and load XP on them can they be used or will they be to slow...

P2 450 MHz, 384 Megs, 15 Gig & a 40 Gig drive, 64 meg AGP GF3 Ti 500 DVI out
&
P3 650 MHz, 256 Megs 15 Gig, built in 16 or 32 AGP ATI Radon...

I leaning toward the P2 450 because the AGP is not integrated into the system....

Any opinions would be appreciated...

Vin
post #132 of 6013
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Originally posted by vravo
I have a couple of spare PC's, but their older processors and i was wondering if i format them and load XP on them can they be used or will they be to slow...

Any opinions would be appreciated...

Vin

Vin,

For just capturing, either machine should be fine. (You'll have to add a Firewire card.) When I'm just capturing (no rendering) with a Fusion card, the CPU usage is about 5% on a PIII 1.2 GHz Celeron.

For software playback, I don't think either of these machines has enough horsepower.

Bob
post #133 of 6013
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Originally posted by cerulean
Vin,

For just capturing, either machine should be fine. (You'll have to add a Firewire card.) When I'm just capturing (no rendering) with a Fusion card, the CPU usage is about 5% on a PIII 1.2 GHz Celeron.

For software playback, I don't think either of these machines has enough horsepower.

Bob

what do you have for play back or what do you suggest, are we talking CPU, Memory or Video card....or all three

Thanks

Vin
post #134 of 6013
It takes everything my P4 2.4 ghz with 1GB ram to play the .TS files, but it plays them perfectly. No frame drops or audio skips...

Now I just need a relatively painless way to get as perfect a copy as possible on a DVD...
post #135 of 6013
Another success story! I feel like a kid on Christmas morning.

I've just used VLC so far for play back, do the others offer additional features? I hate installing software just to try w/o at least a good review as to why it may be better. Isn't WinDVD able to playback .ts files if you change the extension?
post #136 of 6013
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Originally posted by vravo
what do you have for play back or what do you suggest, are we talking CPU, Memory or Video card....or all three

Vin,

There a a lot of threads in the HTPC forum about hardware requirements for playback of HD streams using software. I've done software playback with my Intel 865 motherboard, P4 2.4G processor and ATI 9000 video card. Try searching there.

My main method of play back for my Fusion recordings is my Hipix card. It has a better UI than any of the current software playback methods. I'm hoping the Hipix will work just as well when I try the firewire path.

Another playback possibility is the Roku HD1000.

Bob
post #137 of 6013
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Originally posted by cerulean
Vin,

There a a lot of threads in the HTPC forum about hardware requirements for playback of HD streams using software. I've done software playback with my Intel 865 motherboard, P4 2.4G processor and ATI 9000 video card. Try searching there.

My main method of play back for my Fusion recordings is my Hipix card. It has a better UI than any of the current software playback methods. I'm hoping the Hipix will work just as well when I try the firewire path.

Another playback possibility is the Roku HD1000.

Bob

Ok thanks I will look there.... well my TV is HD, but my reasoning for doing all this is to create more room to record more shows... and of course to just be able to do it because it is pretty neat... I have a 2 GHz pc up stairs maybe I will record with the older pc and then use the 2 GHz to display once I modify it.... I'm like a junky I'm going to need a second job to support my habit....
post #138 of 6013
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Originally posted by jasny
After reading this thread, I'm curious as whether all this wonderful info pertains to either of the two firewire cable boxes used on Long Island's cablevision system. The sa4200HD and the sony DHG-M55CV.

Thanks in advance,

jeff

I just ordered the sa4200hd with firewire and I intend to find out. I have digital iO.
post #139 of 6013
It seems like Adelphia in SoCal only broadcasts DCBS without the 5c flag.
post #140 of 6013
A big thanks go to bdraw and whom ever else did all the hard work of discovery, to make this stuff work.



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Originally posted by Wolfgang
TPerterson,

Do you actually need a DVHS device on the IEEE network for this to work? I just have a PC with firewire, Motorola 6200, and a Sony XBR2 with firewire input. Can I get this to work with my setup? That would be sweet.

-- Alvin

Not sure if this will answer your question, but this is what I have discovered.
I can record Digital HD streams from the TW/SA box. to my HTPC. And, with the file extensions set to .tp, MyHD MDP-100 can play the recorded files back. Though not through firewire, but via MyHD's own HD output engine.
post #141 of 6013
I think I need some help. What I have:
Moto 6200, JVC 30K, and HTPC (AMD 2800+, 512, Ati 9800 pro).
Followed instructions on this post. I think I got it all correct, but am having a problem and don't know how to resolve it because I don't know what else to look for.
When a good size image moves across the screen, or a medium size image moves fast, just the moving image has big groups of lines that distort together.
JVC records fine, anything to the pc does this, and looks like it is recorded that way in the file.
Any ideas?
post #142 of 6013
One more thing (sorry about the multiple posts)
I can play WMV HD on WMP9 with no problem, looks great. I don't know if that helps. They may not be related, but I saw another thread where some people that had all the .ts configuration working had problems with WMP.
post #143 of 6013
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Originally posted by coachguy
When a good size image moves across the screen, or a medium size image moves fast, just the moving image has big groups of lines that distort together.
JVC records fine, anything to the pc does this, and looks like it is recorded that way in the file.
Any ideas?

This sounds exactly like de-interlacing artifacts. If what you recorded was in 1080i format, and you played it back using a player that doesn't do a good job of deinterlacing, then this is exactly what you see. (It's one reason I wish they had completely abandoned the whole interlaced format in the new HD specs.)

I see the same thing when watching live TV via 1394 from VLC. When I play the files back using my MyHD 120 card, they look great. It has a great HW deinterlacer built in.

What are you using to play the files back? If your using WMP, then what DVD software do you have installed? WMP doesn't come with any MPEG2 decoders, so it relies on 3rd party decoders (like WinDVD, PowerDVD, etc...)

--Eric
post #144 of 6013
I guess I should have listed that I am using (or trying to use) VLC to playback the .ts files. I kind of suspected de-interlacing artifacts as it is made better or worse by changing the window view size on my main monitor, and not so obvious on my Sharp LC32 via DVI.
Here is what I have been trying to do:
Capture stream from Motorola 6200 with CapDVHS to hard drive.
Play using VLC (maybe I should use something better).
Edit using HDTVtoMPEG2 or something else (it is the only thing I've found)
View the edited files either from the PC
OR
Archive to DVHS (JVC30K) with DVHStool

I am having problems archiving my captured .ts files to DVHS which makes me think that besides some deintelacing artifacts, I may not be capturing the files correctly or completely.

Any help is most appreciated
Thanks
post #145 of 6013
I've been playing with the FW capture on my 6200 via my HTPC using CapDVHS and DCTRecord. By following the directions at the head of this thread, I was able to get things to work right off. Great information! However, I have noticed a few things, and thought I would comment about them and see if anyone else is seeing the same things.

I get video drops outs (sporadic blockiness) when recording on the iNHD1/2 and HDNet/HDNetMovies channels. (I've got Adelphia Cable.)
After doing a lot of tests on the various analogue and digital channel formats, it appears to be limited to channels that have a bit rate of 45Mbps as reported by CapDVHS. I'm thinking that maybe it's a bandwidth problem on the FW bus, or may possibly be my FW "card". I'm currently using the on-board FW on my Asus MB, as it is the only one with a small FW port that fits my cable. It's always worked fine before, but I've never done HD recording before either. I may get another cable and try using my other PCI based FW card and see if things change. I've played with the PCI latency settings to see if they had any effect, but didn't appear too.

I also have found that a few SD digital channels don't report any information in CapDVHS about the stream format or data rate. They seem to record ok, but I haven't found anything that will play them back. MyHD 120 says it's an invalid file format, and none of my DVD software players will play them either. One such channel I can remember was Fox Sports Network. It's possible this may be related to the show and not the channel. I haven't tested this thoroughly.

I get the same results no matter what software app I'm using to record, CapDVHS, DCTRecord, or VLC.

Also, has anyone got the Zap2It utility for DCTRecord to work with guide info? I went to their site and tried to register, but the registration page seems to be broke. I assume you have to register before you can get access to any config settings to tell it to use the the helper app, like you do with TitanTV.

--Eric
post #146 of 6013
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Originally posted by KenA
I just ordered the sa4200hd with firewire and I intend to find out. I have digital iO.

Update: I received the SA4200HD with IEEE1394 yesterday afternoon. On the first trip to my house the tech brought the wrong box. Anyway, I installed the software and plugged in. Everything worked as advertised and I recorded a few minutes of TMC-HD. When I played it back on my HiPix, I got some audio and video breakups. I took a look over at the Cablevision-iO Yahoo group and it appears that a few people have the same problems when recording to D-VHS from the SA4200HD. I guess I'm a SA patch or two away from functionality.
post #147 of 6013
I downloaded the DCTRecordApp.exe which is supposed to "integrate" with Zap2it(I registered) but I can't figure out how/where to schedule the recording on Zap2it. All i have seen is where I could set a reminder. Any ideas?

Has anyone been able to use TitanTV as their PVR? Which PVR option did you select in the TitanTV prefs? What capture software are you using on the WindowsXP machine?
post #148 of 6013
When I plug in my box (Motorola DCT6200/2005) absolutely nothing happens, doesn't pick up anything in Windows XP. Would this be indicative of a box that doesn't have its firewire ports enabled? (I just had Comcast bring out a new box with the ports supposedly enabled) or should it at least do something? I've never used the Firewire capabilities on my PC before but the host controller does show up in my Device Manager so it's at least seeing something (it's an Intel motherboard w/onboard IEEE1394).

Any ideas?
post #149 of 6013
shan_mj, try reducing your unknowns by locating some other known-good fw device (iPod, DV camcorder, etc.) into your computer's fw port to make sure that its drivers are actually installed correctly.
post #150 of 6013
Yeah, I need to go find some kind of firewire device for testing that doesn't cost a hojillion dollars like an iPod I guess. I figured that was the only way to test it, just wondering if the 6200 should be able to be recognized or not -- I'll get on finding another fw device though, thanks
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