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post #2671 of 5938
5/29/06 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by Whitebread View Post

Well, its been nearly 3 years since I logged in, but I have a question.

I setup up a Motorola DCT-6200 cable box for firewire recording and viewing, but, I can only record and view a handful of randomly distributed channels. The rest just do not show up in VLC. Basically I can watch channels 2-32, except 31, 48, 205, and all the music choice channels, and nothing else. Help please??????

Sounds like 5C copy protection.
Are "handful of randomly distributed channels" happen to be locals (ABC/PBS/etc)?
Go into diagnostics mode in your 6200 and look for "5C = ??" in one of teh screens.
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post #2672 of 5938
5/29/06 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

Sounds like 5C copy protection.
Are "handful of randomly distributed channels" happen to be locals (ABC/PBS/etc)?
Go into diagnostics mode in your 6200 and look for "5C = ??" in one of teh screens.

If it's not happening on any local channels, my bet is that it's 5c. Are they all digital channels? Does your cable company digitally simulcast in your area?
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post #2673 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:02pm
I get all the local chanels in both SD and HD and a few networks, like EPSN2. I'll look for that encryption page, but a quick look revealed nothing. I do no know what digitally simulcast is but I can look into it. I live in central new jersey, about 10 minutes from trenton.
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post #2674 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:08pm
There is nothing about encryption in the menus but I will give you guys the configuration.

ModelCT
S/W Ver:72.46
Message: (changes usually every second but is always 333xx)
status: changes along with the message catagory
A/B: Disabled
output:0
Region:0
MCA: 0-3, 1-8194,2-16389,3-34031
Unit ID:000-03666-77460-114
Disconnect: No
Return: RF
IPPV: Yes
Stereo: Unknown 2
IR BLast: Yes
Firmware: 08314
NTSC/PAL: NTSC
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post #2675 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:17pm
Found out how to check diagnostics. The diagnostics tools said that both chanels I cound view and chanels that I could not view are digital and the encryption was 256 QAM.
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post #2676 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:18pm
So then yes, tv is sumlticast in my area.
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post #2677 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:28pm
O, just to add. I found some information
1394 active ports: 1
5c implementation:1

Does this mean that only 1 of the two firewire ports will work correctly? And that 5c encryption is whats causing more than half of my channels to not be viewable?
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post #2678 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:45pm
Ok guys, sorry for the large number of posts but I finally have an answer for you guys. Yes, it is a 5c problem. ALL the channels (even teh HD ones) that I can watch have:
5c:0
in my STB's diagnostics menu where as all the ones I cannot watch have 5c:1.

Can I get around this? And, if I can watch some HD channels that do not have 5c encoding, why can't I record them?
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post #2679 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:53pm
5c=1 means it has 5c encryption, there is no work around for it.
I relied to your PM on the Hardforum.
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post #2680 of 5938
5/29/06 at 9:56pm

Well needless to say I am not happy. I guess I just have to buy a capture card. Damn.

But one more question. I can watch discovery HD theater, but I cannot record, it. Why?

And yeah I saw that pm, thanks..haha
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post #2681 of 5938
5/29/06 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by MikeScuba5 View Post

I will greatly appreciate anyone that would take the time to review my situation. It seems like it should work, but doesn't, which baffles me.

I have spent a lot of time with Comcast customer care and tech support about the firewire compatibility on a Motorola DCT6200 Box and they deny it. I know its possible because my computer detects it with the drivers installed from the beginning of this thread. MyTray Program does not list the Tuner 1 or 2. The option to enable live TV is greyed out meaning i can't check that box.

Anyway, my MCE will not recognize my TV Tuner. My computer detects it and says it's running properly in Device Manager but MCE will not recognize. In MCE settings it won't detect under TV. I installed the drivers for the A/V Panel and A/V Tuner automatically and disabled the Unknown Device in Device Manager like the manual suggests with firestb drivers.

My Hardware:
Dell Laptop XPS M170 w/ MCE 2005 (latest software version)
Includes nVidia 7800 Ultra video card
Motorola DCT6200 w/ firmware 08.14


Do I need some nVidia drivers or something.

Please help, I'm getting delirious. Would appreciate some help. Thanks.

1st of all, don't let Comcast give you the run around.
FCC law says they have to provide you with a working firewire port if you want it.

Having said that, it sounds like it is working though.
If the device is showing up in Device Manager then you have installed the drivers and it should work.

Try shutting down your MCE front end and use capdvhs to capture some video and see if it works.
Also check and make sure you dont have 5c=1 in your diag menu on the cable box for a given channel.
Tune into a network station to check the capture as this will most likely not be 5c encrypted.
If it works check a channel like a movie channel to see if it is encrypted.
Trial and error is the key, unless of course you have 5C encryption, then you are just plain ****ed!!
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post #2682 of 5938
5/29/06 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by Whitebread View Post


Well needless to say I am not happy. I guess I just have to buy a capture card. Damn.

But one more question. I can watch discovery HD theater, but I cannot record, it. Why?

And yeah I saw that pm, thanks..haha

Capture card wont matter with 5C enryption, it won't be able to record those channels either.
I may be wrong here and someone can correct me if I am, but if it is encrypted I don't think it will record period.

As for DHDT, tune into the channel then go check the 5c flag.
If it is 5C=0 then there is no enryption and you should be able to record it.
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post #2683 of 5938
5/29/06 at 10:14pm
I guess I really am one of the lucky ones.
I have Comcast in Richmond VA and they dont have 5C on any of the channels yet....KNOCK ON WOOD!!!
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post #2684 of 5938
5/29/06 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by Whitebread View Post

Well, its been nearly 3 years since I logged in, but I have a question.

I setup up a Motorola DCT-6200 cable box for firewire recording and viewing, but, I can only record and view a handful of randomly distributed channels. The rest just do not show up in VLC. Basically I can watch channels 2-32, except 31, 48, 205, and all the music choice channels, and nothing else. Help please??????

Edit: I have WinXP home, not MCE

Interesting, this thread wasn't here 3 years ago.

Come to think of it, IEEE1394 STBs really didn't show up until 28 months ago with a Federal Manadate for compliance 26 months ago.
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post #2685 of 5938
5/29/06 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by Whitebread View Post


Well needless to say I am not happy. I guess I just have to buy a capture card. Damn.

But one more question. I can watch discovery HD theater, but I cannot record, it. Why?

And yeah I saw that pm, thanks..haha

256 QAM is not encryption, it's the type of digital feed, and technically 5c is not an "encryption" either. It's a little flag that is sent digitally with the programming data and it tells any devices that might encounter the programming what they are "allowed" to do with the digital data. There is no workaround for 5c and a capture card cannot get around it either, that is, for digital and HD programming.
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post #2686 of 5938
5/30/06 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

and technically 5c is not an "encryption" either.

5C is most definitely an encryption technology. Do a google on "M6 cipher".

Ron
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post #2687 of 5938
5/30/06 at 3:00am
I've gotten the 6412 to record via firewire to a PC with no problems, at first. I've owned 2 6412's, I swapped one out because it was acting flakey. From my memory I could of sworn it recorded SD at 720x480 which was perfect for DVD but now with this second 6412 it records at 528x480 which is not so good for DVD. What happened? Any way around this (Highly doubt it)

The other problem is recording audio from the 6412 via optical SPDIF to a Montego DDL. All I get is static and I know for a fact I got it to work once somehow but I can't now. Is there some specific configuration the soundcard or software need to be for it to work? It does the same thing from a DVD player's optical out when its outputtng 2 channels, just static.

Right now if none of this can be resolved then I'm pretty much stuck with using a cature card but the one I got is really finecky with capture software.

Thanks, ZZ.
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post #2688 of 5938
5/30/06 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

256 QAM is not encryption, it's the type of digital feed, and technically 5c is not an "encryption" either. It's a little flag that is sent digitally with the programming data and it tells any devices that might encounter the programming what they are "allowed" to do with the digital data. There is no workaround for 5c and a capture card cannot get around it either, that is, for digital and HD programming.

Well all digital STBs pass that flag, correct? If they pass it, along with the whole digital stream, why cant someone just write software that ignores the flag and plays/records the stream? It is my understanding that 5c just tells devices what to do with the stream and doesn't "hide" the stream the way a code system hides information. Do you understand what I'm saying?

O, and about the capture card, I can always record standard definition in analog, any capture card can do that. I'll just miss out on recording high definition, which is encoded anyway. Its a pain because it woudl be mre expensive and less elligant, but it woudl get the job done.
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post #2689 of 5938
5/30/06 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Donjo View Post

Here ya go (from the readme that comes with the msi file):

How do I install on a non-MCE machine?

The package by default checks for MCE 2005. However, the drivers and command line utilities are useful on non-MCE machines, to install on a non-MCE machine run the following command:



MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

Anyone else having trouble installing on a non-MCE machine. I have installed a fresh copy of WinXP SP1 and when I try to install the firestb.msi with the above command, I get an error that says I have a missing DLL. I tried clicking to install just the driver and I get the same error. Oh, and I had to install Microsoft .NET framework 1.1. What am I missing here?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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post #2690 of 5938
5/30/06 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by blackdiamond View Post

What am I missing here?

1) you're installing SP1 in 2006
2) complaining about .net framework? haha.
3) if you don't want the msi/MCE junk, then download the zip with just the drivers.
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post #2691 of 5938
5/31/06 at 12:22pm
Ok, I installed SP2 and the firestb.msi file seems to install correctly. However, after I plug in the firewire cable and follow the instructions to install the "Tuner AV/C Device" device, it is showing up with the yellow exclamation in Device Manager. I guess this just doesn't work with my Samsung HLR5667W set?
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post #2692 of 5938
5/31/06 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by blackdiamond View Post

Ok, I installed SP2 and the firestb.msi file seems to install correctly. However, after I plug in the firewire cable and follow the instructions to install the "Tuner AV/C Device" device, it is showing up with the yellow exclamation in Device Manager. I guess this just doesn't work with my Samsung HLR5667W set?

Open the readme file, scroll down to the installing on non-MCE section, and use the switches specified.
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post #2693 of 5938
5/31/06 at 10:25pm
I am unable to watch live tv via VLC as described, nothing comes up at all. I have a motorola 6200 and recording works (I tried analog, digital and hd channels for recording and watching: recording works, watching does not)

It just starts counting in the bottom left corner, but the window stays small and doesnt expand for the video section.

I have tried VLC 0.8.5 and the latest nightly build, no go.

Any ideas?

My system is an A64 3200+/1GB ram
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post #2694 of 5938
6/1/06 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by scoombs View Post

Open the readme file, scroll down to the installing on non-MCE section, and use the switches specified.

Are you talking about:
MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

If so, that is what I have already done.

Thanks.
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post #2695 of 5938
6/1/06 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by blackdiamond View Post

Are you talking about:
MSIEXEC /i firestb.msi IDENT=0

If so, that is what I have already done.

Thanks.

you are plugging in the cable from the stb directly to the pc right? have you tried the other firewire port if there is one? try unplugging, removing the device in device manager and rebooting. then try again. you are only installing for the first device that pops up, and cancelling the others.
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post #2696 of 5938
6/1/06 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by trueimage View Post

you are plugging in the cable from the stb directly to the pc right? have you tried the other firewire port if there is one? try unplugging, removing the device in device manager and rebooting. then try again. you are only installing for the first device that pops up, and cancelling the others.

I'm connecting from my pc directly to my tv, a Samsung HLR5667W. The Samsung has 2 firewire ports and I've only tried one. Once I plug it in I get about four devices, one of them being "A/V Tuner". I just followed the instructions on the first page of this thread. I didn't trying unplugging and retrying but I guess I'll give that a shot.

Thanks.
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post #2697 of 5938
6/1/06 at 12:44pm
Not sure if anyone from my area has tried, but I was able to successfully hook up my 8300HD via firewire to my laptop. I was able to watch video using VLC and capture video with the tool in the first post.
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post #2698 of 5938
6/1/06 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by blackdiamond View Post

I'm connecting from my pc directly to my tv, a Samsung HLR5667W. The Samsung has 2 firewire ports and I've only tried one. Once I plug it in I get about four devices, one of them being "A/V Tuner". I just followed the instructions on the first page of this thread. I didn't trying unplugging and retrying but I guess I'll give that a shot.

Thanks.

Here is a quote from post #1929 from the originator of this thread. He was referring to a Mits set, not Samsung, but it may be a related issue. Did you try OTA, or just QAM?

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Originally Posted by bdraw View Post

Not sure what the problem is but I can tell you that QAM recording from the integrated tuner does not work.

Can't remember why but I do remember that it is not supported by Mitsu.

Recording OTA from the integrated tuner on a Mits is what I used to write the original post.
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post #2699 of 5938
6/2/06 at 4:39am
5c has been enabled on all (both SD and HD) of the HBO, SHOWTIME , and STARZ channels from COX in Orange County in the past couple days. I have been able to record all of these in the past but I am no longer able to. Very lame. I pay a great deal of money every month for this programing. I should be able to make a copy if I choose.

This isn't going to entice me to buy a HD-DVD or Blu-ray Player. In fact, it will make me break the law by downloading these movies just in spite. And since I get my internet connection from COX they will pay in the longrun with huge (several gigs a day) downloads.
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post #2700 of 5938
6/2/06 at 5:00am
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This isn't going to entice me to buy a HD-DVD or Blu-ray Player

But, this is exactly what blue-ray / hd-dvd is supposed to do.
It allows one-time copying of 5C programming, so that you can still archive.
Same as D-VHS allows you to do now. Why would you start downloading after 5C is enabled, when you can still timeshift on AV-HDD, archive on D-VHS, and in a few months, Blue-Ray/HD-DVD.
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