How to record via IEEE 1394 (Firewire) to Windows XP - Page 18

I'm feeling kinda dumb right now, which is unusual. I've got my JVC 30k connected to my PC via the FW port. I can record use capDVHS no problem. But for the life of me I can't get a real-time playback using VLC 7.2. VLC plays back the recorded files without a problem. I know my computer can handle it (see specs below) and that it sees the signal because capDVHS works. I've been looking all over but without any results for a way to get this working. If anyone that has this working could share their settings I would be very grateful.

Seems like a very limited number of people have the JVC 30k and even less try to use it with there PC, hoping one of these people can help.

Screech

Asus P4C800 Deluxe (onboard audio disabled)
Pentium 4 3.2c
2x 512M PC3200
2x WD raptor SATA 18G (raid0)
WD or Maxtor 40G ide drive
Maxtor 5000DV 160G ext firewire drive
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128M
Plextor PlexCombo CD-RW/DVD-Rom
Asus DVD-+R/RW
Audigy Platinum

DVHSTool 2.13 crashes anytime I try to open settings, so I've never been able to use the preview tool. This is what the debug screen says about it: "Unhandled exception at 0x10006d6e in DVHSTool2.exe: 0xC0000094: Integer division by zero."

Driver info for "JVC Tape Device"
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Date: 7/1/2001
Driver Version: 5.1.2600.2180
Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows Publisher

Need a little guidance please. I want to try recording from the 6412 but am no computer expert. running XP, SP1, with enough speed and memory etc.
So I follow directions in the first post from this thread and I should be ok, is that correct or is there any other suggestions. Also, do I need a 4 or 6 pin firewire cable? I am with comcast, not sure if that matters and firmware is 9.12.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Ok... Stupid User Question...

How does one send a Recorded file back to a display device from XP via 1394?

Thx,
Vidkidd

Following the instructions, you should be OK. The determination of which cable you need depends on what kind of firewire connector you have on your PC and Cable Box. Just count the pins before you head out to the store... (I had to guess, but I was lucky )

Good Luck

I second that, it was six-pin for me. I can confirm that the procedure on this thread works fine for the 6412.

Indeed, I took a flyer over the weekend to see whether I could record (to PC) a show I had RECORDED on the 6412. It worked. Play the show on the 6412 as if you were watching it, use CapDVHS on the PC, get a .TS.

Try DVHSTool

"How does one send a Recorded file back to a display device from XP via 1394?"

Uh...that would depend upon what is the display device. As tall1 said, DVHSTool would work if you're viewing via a tape player (e.g., the component output of a JVC deck). If you have a Mitsubishi TV or similar with HAVI controls you can use Firebus. Otherwise, it's generally more convenient to display the files via a PC-based display device with appropriate software. See, for example, the discussions about FusionHDTV, MyHD, and TheaterTek.

Hey thanks for the information, after hours of searching i stumbled across it and it was of immense help.

i have one question though
I understand that this procedure doesn't work with win2k so im gonna have to upgrade my laptop...not a problem, however my firmware is v.7.15 and i was wondering if that was gonna be a problem....

thanks

TheToyman

oh and one more thing, is this just for live recording or will it also allow me to take my recorded programs fromt he hard drive in the dct6208?

True. I am guilty of providing a quick answer with little detail. Thanks for helping out. What I do because my JVC 40K is over 15 feet away from my PC and I didn't want to buy a powered 1394 hub...I ran an RGB cable to my Sammy DLP and it works great. I don't have DVI on my PC or I would use that.

Thanks everyone for the update. I have a Sony GWIII XBR950 with Firewire. It can take feeds from a DVHS. I don't think it works with firebus. My set does not have a "true digital path" over DVI, so I wanted to send to back via firewire. Component works, but it "softens the image".

Thx,
Vidkidd

Well, if your Sony works like mine (KD34XBR2) you're right that it doesn't have the HAVI sw necessary for Firebus. It will "sniff" the FW bus and display whatever A/V stream is passing by, so when you use DVHSTool or similar sw to perform a copy of your HDD file to a DVHS unit the DTV can also play it. But this is really a kluge! Sony should provide a WinXP driver for their DTV such that DVHSTool, etc., can play files to them. (Don't hold your breath, however, as I don't see this likely until Sony divests itself from Hollywood. )

Tim-

Did you ever figure out a way to get it to work with Windows Media Encoder. I tried to do the same thing and got the same blue screen this afternoon.


Mark V.

Great guide I was up an going in about 10 minutes, thanks.

I have a question though when I watch a capture in the upper right there is a box of about 9 small white squares is this normal? I am worried about burn in on my RPTV. Is there a way to remove this box? Also is a 630MB normal for a broadcast show?

I tried CAPVHS and DCTrecord.

sounds like the demo version of the Elecard MPEG decoder...

Does this process work with the moto 6412?
Tom

Yes.

In the spirit of sharing: I now have my 6412 working perfectly via these instructions. The last bit of the puzzle- I was getting some glitches in the audio and some blocking- was to uninstall my antivirus software. Dangerous, I know, but I don't use the HTPC for email, and I have a 'clean install' pantition image stored on a removable disk. Evidently the AV software was checking to make sure the files being captured were virus-free and thereby interrupting the stream.

By the way, I've found a really cool thing about the 6412/PC combo. I've been unable to CapDVHS any channels except the majors- InHD and Discovery HD, for instance, produce no information on the CapDVHS screen, and produce no useful files. However, if I record those channels on the 6412, then *play* the file on the 6412, it captures just fine. A joy for archiving and freeing up space on the puny 120 gig drive in the box.

So, following the instructions from the very first post in this thread and using the 620x driver, I can do this with my 6412?
Tom

How many ways we gotta say it, d2tw4all? YES.

Sorry I should have elaborated more, I just wanted to make sure there are no extra steps, since there are so many pages to this thread and I wasn't sure if anything specific to the 6412 was buried there. I'll have to give this a shot this weekend! Will programs like Ulead VideoStudio and others that accept video camera input via firewire also work with this?
Tom

Really? Even the 5C channels (e.g. HBO SHO)? I believe I tried this and only got a black screen. I will try again tonight.

Don't know about the premium channels, because I don't get them. My experience so far is limited to a recording I did at the end of the Navy-Rutgers game on InHD. There was a very charming 10 minute short on afterwards called Fair Phyllis that I wanted to save, without having to keep an hour of other crap. I took a flyer and tried it. Successfully captured and played back glitch-free.

Apparently i am not the only one get 5c materials from 6412 to xp. I just figured out this hour ago. it worked fine with all hd channels, so you know i got the full package.

I have not firewired comcast hd to pc for a long time since the i tried it on 6208 long time ago. The 5c kicked in just fine over 6208 to pc. I doubt anyone got that combo to work?

So i thought it would be nice to transfer the "rookies" to pc since i am running out of DVHS tape and it would be nice to have few more ota movie for my pc. ( just got the dell 2005 wd, just want to test most hd clip on it) and besides, i still have the impression that only ota hd non-5c works firewiring to pc.

dude, i was so wrong and i am glad i did. I tested inhd BOn jovi live from borgata plus hbo hd, starz hd, showtime hd and max hd programs to my surprised. The capdvhs read them just fine and i have no problem recording and watching them over zoomplayer.

so i delete all my ota recordings,including the junk ota LOTR hd from WB(the pq sucks compare to starz) clean up both my 6412, ready to load up 5c recodings to 6412 then to pc.

tell you guys, i am very exciting, I never thought i could live to see 5c to pc. i figure it won't be long before comcast fix this. I got 600GB raid 5 left from T1.6 and i am loading it up.

I am thanksful, the 5c is taking a break on this very day.

First, what kind of firewire cord do I need if I use that method? 6 pin/6 pin, 6 pin/4 pin, or 4 pin/4 pin? Secondly, is that the only way I can get stuff from my 6412 hard drive, through the firewire? If it's not, can someone please list all of the ways to get recordings off of a 6412 DVR to a PC, please? Third, what's the whole "5c" thing mean? I don't get that. Forth, how do I find out what firmware I have for my DVR box? Do some kinds not work with the firewire method at all? Also, what if I got a TV tuner in my PC that could plug into the DVR box? Then I could just directly record it, right? Thanks!

5C (also known as DTCP) is the encryption method used to restrict the use of programs sent over FireWire. Each program has a "flag" that tells the unit what type of restrictions should be applied, for example:

0=Copy Freely
1=Copy One-Generation only
2=Copy Never
etc.

Programs flagged "0" are not encrypted, and can be copied by any FireWire device, including a PC. On Comcast I believe this includes all analog channels, plus local digital channels.

Programs flagged "1" are encrypted and can only be copied over FireWire to a 5C-compatible device, for example a D-VHS tape deck. On Comcast, this includes all digital channels except locals. Once copied, the 5C-compatible device ensures that no additional copies of this program can be made. There are currently no 5C-compatible hardware or software solutions for PCs, nor are there likely to be any.

Detailed information on 5C is at http://www.dtcp.com

6/6, and as far as achieved hd content, yes, firewire is the only way. I don't watch much SD not to mention recording them to pc. I don't think you will have trouble getting them ota sd into tv tuner via s-video,composite) for recording but i have not comments on this topic.

If you are interested in getting hd content firewires to xp,the steps are listed on the very begining of this thread, help yaself.

what to know 5C? read this 5c. [edit: vb code typo]


two ways.
1) go to main menu on ya DVR, select setup...then. i can't remember which sub menu on top of my head, but they are only fews over then. if you select the right place, it should says firmware version, mine is 9.12. Besides, it's good to learn what you can do with basic setup ya on DVR right?
2) Turn off power on ya DVR, press but not hold "menu" button on ya remote while the DVR is off. you should see the much "advanced" setting on ya DVR in black and white screen. Again, go through each sub menu of them (look for firmware infor) and don't make any chances on the settings if you don't know what u are doing. This is also the only way you can select the video format out on ya DVR, 16:9, 1080i,720p...etc.

Thanks, guys. Now, are the normal movie channels all digital? Like HBO channels (not HD ones), Encore, ect.? Second, is 9.12 the firmware I should have? I do have it, but is that the right one for getting stuff off the hd via firewire?

Third, in the User Settings when the box is off and I press menu, for TV Type, do I want 4:3 Letterbox or 4:3 Pan and Scan? I have a normal 4:3, 21 inch TV. For YPbPr Output, I have no clue what that is, 480I is the only one that shows a proper picture, can someone explain this to me please? Thanks.

The movie channels are all in digital. Anything above channel 100 is digital, 1-99 is your analog channels. Firmware 9.12 will work for firewire recording. 4:3 Letterbox will display black bars on the top and bottom of the screen when viewing widescreen programs, 4:3 Pan and Scan will crop the picture to fit in your 4:3 display. YPbPr output is for component video out. I doubt you have component input. 480i is 480 lines of resolution interlaced. Dude, if you are not planning to upgrade to HDTV I am confused why you chose the 6412 as a recording option? This 6412 user manual will answer most of your questions.