Madison, WI - HDTV - Page 124

When Fox47 is airing Fox network programming, the bitrate is throttled back by Fox, to allow for an affiate to have a SD stream, whether they do so or not.

There is a LOT of wasted bandwidth with Fox network programming. Fox primetime programming could look a lot better. But, there are two things that keep them from doing so. 1) the throttle back for an SD stream and 2) the satellite mux as FOUR SD streams and FOUR HD streams. Once SD goes away, they'll be able to apply bits to HD and up the average 9-10 Mbps bitrate to something much better.

Actually, WMSN-DT will be moving from channel 11 to 49 at some point, but I don't know when...

Correct, but not on the 2/17/09 cutover date. I was talking about the local stations doing an analog shutdown on the 2/17 date, which has no digital changes in this market. If you are watching digital now, by whatever means, an analog shutdown on 2/17 isn't going to affect you.

They will?

I think the correct term is "they" may move. It's only been applied for and approved by the FCC... right? It doesn't necessarily mean it WILL happen.

and mr video... no word on early shutdown or June 12 shutdown or whatever.... lots of lawyers doing lots of things for lots of stations in Sinclair....

And with this posting, Mattymo has hit the century mark

The channel 11 allocation has been deleted and replaced with a channel 49. I think legally WMSN-DT is now obligated to move.

- Trip

Well i was saying when the switch does happen now or later, when it does they should have a countdown or blow up a tv or something cool and give analog a proper send off!!!!Spice it up a little and give us something interesting to talk about!!!

What ever happened to Obama being "green"?

Continuing to run two transmitters at every station seems a waste of electricity, if not really needed.

That having been said what's this that the broadcasters can "voluntarily" cease analog transmission on Feb 17th? What a mess that would be, in some areas you would need a digital converter some you wouldn't..

What's the old saying about too many cooks spoil the soup? Why don't they just leave it alone and everyone switch on Feb 17th as planned.

WMTV turned off 15.2 for the Superbowl? My QAM on charter janesville shows 111-4 Weather station has no signal.

Good, my co-worker who lives downtown will be happy b/c his VHF doesn't work so well but gets all the UHF digital channels just fine.

Nope, still there.

poop

Hey, I like that idea.

There are several areas of the country that have already shut down analog. No mess.

If I wanted to waste my time watching that thing, I'd get it from a different source.

I'm not even interested in watching the halftime show.

Yes, there will be many who do watch, I will not be one of them.

I started a thread in the programming forum, I will not be watching either. I have a ton of DVR'ed movies I will be watching.

I have lots of editing to catch up on. I'll be capturing the PBS feed of tonight's Masterpiece Classic, and it won't be from WPT.

If the international HD feed is found, I might watch the halftime, as it won't have any of the NBC crap on the screen. If the feed isn't reported, it won't be a big loss. I do not expect "the Boss" to have a wardrobe malfunction

Update: I just noticed, that was your millennium milestone posting.

Not sure of Janesville, but in the Madison marke it was moved to 15.2 and HD is now 15.1

Anyone able to get PBS HD on QAM? 114.2 shows no signal for me for a week.

yeah thanks for noticing that! It took me ma 2nd look to even notice!
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Throw mamma from the train is on channel 2!


whoohoooo!

Some bit rate statistics for you Super Bowl watchers...

(15.1 was set for high priority to borrow bits from 15.2 when necessary.)

15.1 video bit rate:
maximum = 16.728 Mb/sec
"average" = 14.982
minimum = 14.829

15.2 video bit rate:
maximum = 3.091
"average" = 2.697
minimum = 1.197

"Average" was from only 3 samples during the game. We don't have a way to measure long-term average.

I tuned in for a bit just to see what it looked like. There were complaints about KUSA in Denver, so I checked locally. I took me quite a while before seeing anything. And then it was mild. Where I expected to see problems, I didn't.

Your settings seemed to have worked.

yeah, I was watching on charter qam .... looked really good!!

i 2nd this and if people aren't Ready and get only the snow channel too bad!!!! They have only been talking about doing this for 5 years now!! That really would grind my gears if this gets delayed!!!

As another poster said, the FCC deleted channel 11 from the table of allotments and replaced it with channel 49 at WMSN's request. They would have to request for the change to be reversed in order to stay on channel 11. Here is the decision from last November:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-08-2453A1.pdf

Tom, except for some macroblocking on the Cardinals red uniforms when there was significant motion, it looked very good to me. Much better than SEC and NFL football on CBS, which, to me, seem to have less detail and more macroblocking. I watched it OTA.

I saw WKOW's crawl tonight and noticed that you had to be ready by noon on the 17th, or lose receiving WKOW. Huh? I know, they have to shut down by midnight. So I suppose they could do it at noon.

I still haven't heard if anyone in town is going to shut down the analog transmitters, or not, on the 17th, if the law gets passed.

The House is going to deal with it on Wednesday. Odds are it is going to pass and create all kinds of problems.

WMTV and WKOW have filings on record with the FCC stating they'll be killing their analogs on or near the February 17 date.

http://www.rabbitears.info/termlist.php

- Trip

And we have to find out from Trip, instead of Tom?

Did anyone notice any audio abnormalities during the Superbowl on Charter? We couldn't hear the refs on the field, or the players introducing themselves. It seemed like the center channel was out, but then it would come back when the announcers started talking. It was quite strange.

I had to grab the opening teaser and a few minutes in the next act of Medium,

When I looked at what I got, I was surprised at the large vertical shift in the image. The shift is 34 pixels. Because of the way MPEG-2 works, there will always be 8 rows of black pixels at the bottom of a 1080 image. In this case, it is 42 pixels of black. It isn't a result of cropping either. It is a vertical shift.

Here is the WMTV image and here is the reference image.

While looking at the WMTV video, it just didn't look as sharp. It isn't. I cropped a 200x200 area of each image and blew it up to 600x600. Here is the WMTV image and the reference image.

Yes, the reference image has a bitrate of around 35Mbps (MPEG-2).

I haven't done a lot a research into this, but I suspect that in order to fit the HD into the low (IMHO) ATSC bitrate, the video needs to go through some noise reduction, otherwise the complaints about macroblocking would drastically increase. I also do not know what the NBC H.264 video looks like. I never captured it as I wasn't planning on doing a comparison. So, it is possible that NBC has also done some noise reduction.