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post #5131 of 5626
i know now i can't watch He-man and She-ra on saturday mornings
post #5132 of 5626
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Originally Posted by y2hitman View Post

i know now i can't watch He-man and She-ra on saturday mornings

You can see He-Man on Qubo (usually overnights). Can anyone in Madison get WPXE-55?
post #5133 of 5626
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Originally Posted by LithOTA View Post

You can see He-Man on Qubo (usually overnights). Can anyone in Madison get WPXE-55?

Not me, but I only have an indoor antenna. I live close enough to the towers on the west side that a set-top antenna suffices for local reception.

Charter carries the national Ion feed, but not Qubo. AT&T Uverse has both Ion and Qubo.
post #5134 of 5626
Looks like some of you can get it, if you have some elevation under you. Madison really should have more stations (like Ion) than it does...the geographic area covered by the market is quite huge.
LL
post #5135 of 5626
Ad $$$ are thin enough as it is in this market. Not sure that the DMA could handle another station, let alone be able to get a channel from the FCC. Are they even allowing new stations?
post #5136 of 5626
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Ad $$$ are thin enough as it is in this market. Not sure that the DMA could handle another station, let alone be able to get a channel from the FCC. Are they even allowing new stations?

Why not an existing station? W08CK has a CP to move to channel 36 and upgrade from 36 watts to 15 kw, putting a decent signal over the Madison area:
http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www...TON%26state=WI

Someone should throw "Science of Identity Fondation," whoever the heck that is, some money and put something more useful on there than a station ID card with sitar music.
post #5137 of 5626
Well, the 15k would supposedly cover the greater Madison area, but obviously doesn't cover the DMA.

Interesting thought though. I wouldn't watch it and I can get Ion now if I wanted to
post #5138 of 5626
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Well, the 15k would supposedly cover the greater Madison area, but obviously doesn't cover the DMA.

Interesting thought though. I wouldn't watch it and I can get Ion now if I wanted to

True enough, but covering the greater Madison area would cover the bulk of the DMA population.

Ion wouldn't be my first choice for a new HD station in Madison (even an LPTV one), either. I think it'd be cool if WISC picked it up and had a HD feed of TVW there, so that some of the non-conference syndicated sports packages they pick up (e.g., SEC football, Big East basketball) and local news (news @ 9) could air in HD.

Or, maybe have WPT pick it up and use it to add some alternate channels such as MHz Worldview (world news: http://www.mhznetworks.org/mhzworldview/)

Also, having an existing local broadcaster pick it up would make cable carriage a lot more likely -- must-carry doesn't apply to LPTV.
post #5139 of 5626
Are you encouraging the addition of more streams to existing stations? If so, why?

The allowing of additions streams to stations that have HD as the main stream is destroying the quality of the HD stream. It is bad enough that ATSC barely supports HD. The allowing of additional HD/SD streams should never have happened.
post #5140 of 5626
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post
Are you encouraging the addition of more streams to existing stations? If so, why?

The allowing of additions streams to stations that have HD as the main stream is destroying the quality of the HD stream. It is bad enough that ATSC barely supports HD. The allowing of additional HD/SD streams should never have happened.
Nope, talking about potential uses for the under-utilized W08CK. I agree -- we don't need any more HD subchannels on the local broadcast stations. Just think it'd be nice to have either TVW in HD on W08CK or have WPT use it for something like MHz Worldview.
post #5141 of 5626
OK, just making sure.
post #5142 of 5626
FCC finally sets the transition date for low power stations to go digital:

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/ar...-september-1-2
post #5143 of 5626
Put the terms "spectrum auction broadcast" into Google News search and you'll see what's going on right now in DC related to the debt ceiling crisis proposals. Something could come out of it that could have a significant impact the local Madison over the air stations with very limited debate due to the short time frame before the default. Looks like the broadcasters and wireless lobbies are going at it full bore. Ya think the viewer's interests will figure in the debate? I doubt it.
post #5144 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

PLooks like the broadcasters and wireless lobbies are going at it full bore. Ya think the viewer's interests will figure in the debate? I doubt it.

From the article:
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and assurances that stations have enough spectrum to deliver full HDTV and provide new services like multicasting and mobile DTV.

That makes the NAB and broadcasters look stupid. How? The channel width is fixed at 6 MHz. That statement makes it sound like the proposal also includes reducing the channel width, which is impossible. The only way to do the above, is to go to a 12 MHz channel width and that can't happen either (other than give each station two 6 MHz channels).

It is the broadcasters that are reducing HD quality by adding multicasting and mobile DTV, not congress or the FCC.
post #5145 of 5626
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

From the article:
That makes the NAB and broadcasters look stupid. How? The channel width is fixed at 6 MHz. That statement makes it sound like the proposal also includes reducing the channel width, which is impossible. The only way to do the above, is to go to a 12 MHz channel width and that can't happen either (other than give each station two 6 MHz channels).

It is the broadcasters that are reducing HD quality by adding multicasting and mobile DTV, not congress or the FCC.

Not sure which Google news article you're quoting from, a bunch come up in a search.

There have been proposals floating around that would reduce total spectrum for the broadcasters significantly. One would limit them to just one SD station each. I think that's the sort of thing they're getting at, not channel width. Yeah, I think the broadcasters want enough spectrum to continue HD, multicasting and mobile DTV. They may propose 2 channels in the future, but I don't know how that would work, or if it could.

I agree that multicasting has had a detrimental effect on HD picture quality as you've been saying here for years. Doesn't seem to be much being done about it, however. What do you think should be done? Get rid of all subchannels?
post #5146 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

Put the terms "spectrum auction broadcast" into Google News search and you'll see what's going on right now in DC related to the debt ceiling crisis proposals.

For those who don't want to wade through the list of articles, here's a somewhat balanced AP article about the situation.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...roadband_n.htm
post #5147 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

Not sure which Google news article you're quoting from, a bunch come up in a search.

Sorry, the first one: http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2...ctrum-auctions

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There have been proposals floating around that would reduce total spectrum for the broadcasters significantly. One would limit them to just one SD station each. I think that's the sort of thing they're getting at, not channel width. Yeah, I think the broadcasters want enough spectrum to continue HD, multicasting and mobile DTV.

I think you mean one DTV station each, not SD. In Madison, each of the stations have a separate owner, so that isn't an issue. If, for example, WMTV and WKOW had a single owner and the owner was forced to go to a single channel, that would mean one of the networks would lose out, since one of them would be reduced to a SD subchannel. OR worse yet, both would lose out if management decided to put both networks on the single channel in HD (just ask how that is working out with ABC O&Os).

Congress, IMHO, are stupid when it comes to stuff like this. Oh wait, it isn't just this kinda stuff.

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They may propose 2 channels in the future, but I don't know how that would work, or if it could.

The virtual channel assignments would take care of that.

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What do you think should be done? Get rid of all subchannels?

Bingo! If you have HD, you do nothing else.
post #5148 of 5626
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

I think you mean one DTV station each, not SD. In Madison, each of the stations have a separate owner, so that isn't an issue. If, for example, WMTV and WKOW had a single owner and the owner was forced to go to a single channel, that would mean one of the networks would lose out, since one of them would be reduced to a SD subchannel. OR worse yet, both would lose out if management decided to put both networks on the single channel in HD (just ask how that is working out with ABC O&Os).

Congress, IMHO, are stupid when it comes to stuff like this. Oh wait, it isn't just this kinda stuff.

I did mean one digital channel with only enough bandwidth for SD.

You're right on the money about Congress.
post #5149 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

I did mean one digital channel with only enough bandwidth for SD.

That would require in change in the channel width. The ATSC spec is 6 MHz, with 19.2 Mbps bitrate. That is HD. The channel width could not be changed without the government replacing all of the tuners that exist, which would also mean replacing all HDTVs (with tuners) and would make OTA HD non-existant. Ya, like that would happen.
post #5150 of 5626
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

That would require in change in the channel width. The ATSC spec is 6 MHz, with 19.2 Mbps bitrate. That is HD. The channel width could not be changed without the government replacing all of the tuners that exist, which would also mean replacing all HDTVs (with tuners) and would make OTA HD non-existant. Ya, like that would happen.

Or make several stations share one channel, which could limit them to SD.
post #5151 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

Or make several stations share one channel, which could limit them to SD.

That sucks even worse. Forcing a loss of HD will never happen. The whole idea of going digital, according to the feds, is to get crystal clear HD. They've already lied about the crystal clear HD.
post #5152 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

For those who don't want to wade through the list of articles, here's a somewhat balanced AP article about the situation.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...roadband_n.htm

It isn't in the compromise agreement; that's a good thing because it's not rushed. The idea is still very much alive and will likely be taken up later. Here's a good summary. Hopefully, whatever is agreed on will have little impact on existing broadcasters and the Madison stations.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20...ing-agreement/
post #5153 of 5626
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Originally Posted by whosbest1 View Post

It isn't in the compromise agreement; that's a good thing because it's not rushed. The idea is still very much alive and will likely be taken up later. Here's a good summary. Hopefully, whatever is agreed on will have little impact on existing broadcasters and the Madison stations.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20...ing-agreement/

Right on! At least the OTA community has some more time to get the word out.
post #5154 of 5626
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Originally Posted by LithOTA View Post

Right on! At least the OTA community has some more time to get the word out.

Absolutely. Here's a great post on the subject:
HDTVexpert.com

- LoopinFool
post #5155 of 5626
Anyone seeing W38CT-D on the air? Daystar religion in SD, but I could use TSReader if someone like mrvideo can see it.

- Trip
post #5156 of 5626
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Anyone seeing W38CT-D on the air? Daystar religion in SD, but I could use TSReader if someone like mrvideo can see it.

- Trip

It's on the air. Good lord, that is some cheesy programming.
LL
post #5157 of 5626
Interesting, even though the station is owned by Daystar, that would appear to be TBN being fed.

- Trip
post #5158 of 5626
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post
Interesting, even though the station is owned by Daystar, that would appear to be TBN being fed.

- Trip
Well, it's Daystar now. Man, I thought TBN was bad, but this is even worse.
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post #5159 of 5626
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Anyone seeing W38CT-D on the air? Daystar religion in SD, but I could use TSReader if someone like mrvideo can see it.
What channel are they really on?
post #5160 of 5626
38. It's on a short tower not far from WMTV/WBUW.

- Trip
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