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post #5401 of 5551
The problem your having with NBC15 is most likely interfearance from WGN Chicago which also broadcast on RF-19. When the atmosphere is just right the Chicago stations will usually start making its way up hear and will cause problems with NBC15. I live between Janesville and Edgerton and WMTV is often my most unstable channel. The other night I lost 15 around 9pm, channel 13 from Rockford wasn't coming in either so i tried RF-28 (WTMJ-4 Milwaukee) and it was booming in with a 90% signal, it's been like this the last few nights (list night I was able to listing to radio from Champaign, IL on mt walkman) I wish the owners would have bought the TBN translator here in Janesville and set it up as a translator for WMTV, as least it would have been more useful then it is now with Daystar on it.

As far as your problem with WKOW, I'm not sure, since I can't think of hand where the next closest RF-26 is. WKOW is my most stable and reliable signal, almost always with at least at 85%.
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

Is there some problem with WMTV 15 this morning.. and some other mornings? From 5 AM till about 8:15 AM there was no signal.. . zip. Then, gradually a weak signal started to allow reception, but still is breaking up currently. IIRC, WMTV 15 is UHF 19. Usually, we have issues like this with WKOW 27 in the early morning hours , but occasionally 15 does it also like today. And 27 is just fine. So if it's some multipath thing or other equipment radiating spurious signals why trouble with 27 sometimes and 15 others?
Ever since all the channels went digital, this kind of thing seems to happen. I am still in the same location and using the same antenna with a 2 port booster amp on 3 different TVs and when it happens all the TVs have no 15 or 27. And it is always in the early 5 AM to 8AM time period. It always clears up after that and is good for the rest of the day. We are on the north side of Janesville up on a ridge and get fantastic reception as noted in my previous posts up in this thread. I have even tried disconnecting the booster amp, took a TV out into the garage where the feed comes from the antenna, and connected the TV to a 15' RG6 cable direct from the antenna. Same issue.
Criminy, I guess I need to get a signal analyzer, tunable RF meter and who knows what else to see what's happening. rolleyes.gif
post #5402 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Jim920 View Post

The problem your having with NBC15 is most likely interfearance from WGN Chicago which also broadcast on RF-19. When the atmosphere is just right the Chicago stations will usually start making its way up hear and will cause problems with NBC15. I live between Janesville and Edgerton and WMTV is often my most unstable channel. The other night I lost 15 around 9pm, channel 13 from Rockford wasn't coming in either so i tried RF-28 (WTMJ-4 Milwaukee) and it was booming in with a 90% signal, it's been like this the last few nights (list night I was able to listing to radio from Champaign, IL on mt walkman) I wish the owners would have bought the TBN translator here in Janesville and set it up as a translator for WMTV, as least it would have been more useful then it is now with Daystar on it.
As far as your problem with WKOW, I'm not sure, since I can't think of hand where the next closest RF-26 is. WKOW is my most stable and reliable signal, almost always with at least at 85%.
Jim is correct. The effect is called "tropospheric ducting", or simply, "tropo". In the spring through fall, rarely in the winter, this can happen. Early in the morning, and later at night (and sometimes earlier than that, and near warm fronts, it can happen all day), the air is cooler near the ground then aloft. When that happens, signals bounce off that warmer layer aloft, called a temperature inversion. Depending on the height of the inversion (anywhere from 3.000' to 18,000'), the signals will bounce off of it, effectively turning those 1500' towers into 12,000' monsters. Tonight, 60 miles west of Chicago, I can barely lock WGN, because WMTV is interfering with it. If I point my antenna northwest, I'll lock WMTV instead of WGN. But I have a very directional antenna (ChannelMaster 4228 classic 8-bay bowtie UHF), so I can do that.

Anway, channel 13 wasn't coming in likely due to the low power 300 watt Telemundo affiliate in Milwaukee, also on 13, interfering.
post #5403 of 5551
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Originally Posted by MadCityBrad View Post

Here is a link to national HD lineups by company.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1058081/official-avs-national-hd-channel-lineups-cable-dbs-fiber-iptv-updated-5-26-12
On the Charter conference call yesterday, they said that they plan to carry their entire channel lineup in HD.

WOW, that chart should be an eye opener for those looking to switch to sat. Direct has really fallen behind, it appears.
post #5404 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Umatter2Charter View Post

Good Afternoon,
All upcoming channel changes and additions will be communicated through http://www.charter.com/channelchanges as information becomes available. The only information available outside of what is available on the site is that we are on track to have 100+ HD Channels in all markets by the end of the year.
Thanks,
Dylan

How far ahead of new channels being launched are they posted on the "channel changes site?"
(1 week, 1 month, etc)

Thanks,
Brad
post #5405 of 5551
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Originally Posted by MadCityBrad View Post

How far ahead of new channels being launched are they posted on the "channel changes site?"
(1 week, 1 month, etc)
Thanks,
Brad

Good Morning,

That varies by when the contracts are signed. Some are available a month or more ahead of time while others may only be a week or so.

Thanks,

Dylan
post #5406 of 5551
WMSN is in a dispute with DISH. At least they're using the splicer crawl to tell everyone about it while keeping Hotel Hell in HD. I would have changed the channel if I had to look at windowboxed downconverted SD video run through a horrid upconverter for 3 1.5 minute cycles of the crawl.

Speaking of which, wasn't WMSN supposed to be HD by now*.

*No, the fact that WMSN is scrolling over HD doesn't mean that they have an HD plant now. One of the features of the FOX splicer is to put up a crawl without going to bypass.
post #5407 of 5551
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

*No, the fact that WMSN is scrolling over HD doesn't mean that they have an HD plant now. One of the features of the FOX splicer is to put up a crawl without going to bypass.

Even if WMSN was fully HD throughout the plant, they still wouldn't be able to crawl over the HD because the station doesn't have access to the HD video stream from the Fox network. It must be done through the splicer or via the horrible SD upconvert.
post #5408 of 5551
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Even if WMSN was fully HD throughout the plant, they still wouldn't be able to crawl over the HD because the station doesn't have access to the HD video stream from the Fox network. It must be done through the splicer or via the horrible SD upconvert.

I was simplifying it, since the asterisk was for the benefit of readers who wouldn't know. And it only takes one factor to prevent something from happening.

Also:
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Today I found out that Fox is actually looking the other way when it comes to stations pulling the HD video from the feed and doing the weather overlay on it, instead of having to use the Fox provided SD analog video.


Officially it is still a no-no to connect station equipment to the Fox provided gear. But, because so many stations complained about having to use the analog SD, Fox looks the the other way when stations connect to receiver A's ASI output so that they can obtain the HD video to use within the local plant for weather overlays and recording programs for delayed playback.


Ascent Media (now Deluxe Media after a buyout) is the Fox contractee to go around to affiliates and fix issues, They've been out to my contact's stations a few times now and have not told them to remove the connection. As long as it isn't causing issues, it is ignored.


Unfortunately the Fox blind eye doesn't help local Fox47 watchers in the Madison area, because Fox47 is still analog. As previously noted, Fox47 is going to be upgraded to a digital plant. So, they can either buy the device to connect to the splicer or put in gear to use the ASI output from receiver A.


Interesting info. Learn something new every day.
post #5409 of 5551
The posting I did about some stations being able to do that is not wide spread. Fox can still stop a station from doing it.

Now that WMSN has the splicer updates and the gear to talk to the splicer so that they can do the HD graphics, the odds of Fox letting them get at the HD will probably be slim to none.

Who know, they might pull that from those they have allowed once they too have the splicer HD graphics up and running. biggrin.gif
post #5410 of 5551
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Who know, they might pull that from those they have allowed once they too have the splicer HD graphics up and running. biggrin.gif

Which will probably be never. biggrin.gif
post #5411 of 5551
Another dispute between a cable/sat provider and owners of local stations. So far, most get resolved just before or just after the deadline. Sometimes there has to be a blackout to push the parties to an agreement. Congress and the FCC are watching these. I suppose if there are enough disruptions, they might act.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/488487-Updated_Dish_Sinclair_Retrans_Feud_Threatens_Station_Blackouts_In_45_Cities.php
post #5412 of 5551
WKOW's Delay Server STILL Screwed Up

Since Nightline and Jimmy Kimmel are not true 5.1, you couldn't tell that it was messed up. But a couple of the network commercials were and sure enough, the center channel was gone.

I haven't checked the schedule, because I do not care, but if they are delay airing Rookie Blue, it will be unwatchable.

How can anyone there not know, after all this time, that the audio is misconfigured?

BTW, I don't care because I get my Rookie Blue fix elsewhere. Love that show.
post #5413 of 5551
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

if they are delay airing Rookie Blue

They did. WKOW is usually pretty good about airing pre-empted primetime progamming after Jimmy Kimmel Live. In this case, Wipeout and that Time Machine Chef special aired before Rookie Blue.
post #5414 of 5551
According to today's paper, the dispute between WMSN/Sinclair and Dish Network is over. No mention of terms.
post #5415 of 5551
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

No mention of terms.

Terms are never disclosed.
post #5416 of 5551
Maybe, just maybe, WKOW got their act together and fixed the server audio issue. When I tuned in the news, I got Rookie Blue instead and there was center channel audio, i.e., I could hear the voices, before I switched the system away from the show, as I'll be seeing it later.
post #5417 of 5551
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Maybe, just maybe, WKOW got their act together and fixed the server audio issue. When I tuned in the news, I got Rookie Blue instead and there was center channel audio, i.e., I could hear the voices, before I switched the system away from the show, as I'll be seeing it later.

Was it 16:9 video squished to 4:3? That's what I saw after about 2 minutes of dead air after the Packer Game. Then I turned it off, so I don't know if it got fixed or not.
post #5418 of 5551
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

Was it 16:9 video squished to 4:3? That's what I saw after about 2 minutes of dead air after the Packer Game. Then I turned it off, so I don't know if it got fixed or not.

No. full HD. I tuned in at 10pm for the news. I could care less about the Packers. biggrin.gif
post #5419 of 5551
TDS is launching IPTV on the far west side/west suburbs to "complement" it's existing distribution agreement with Dish.

Promotional pricing looks to be very competitive with U-Verse, bettering it in some areas, not so competitive with Charter and they seem to have most of the major channels. Not that I'm going to get it, but...

No word on bitrates/technology/picture quality.

http://www.tdstelecom.com/TDSTV/dane/bundles.aspx
http://host.madison.com/wsj/business/tds-begins-offering-television-service-in-madison-area/article_e1a252e6-f168-11e1-b687-0019bb2963f4.html
post #5420 of 5551
I have a friend who works for TDS who is in the area where it is being delivered. A fiber connection is required. You get 50 Mbps down and 20 Mbps up, along with the IPTV.

There are a crapload of channels, both SD and HD. The video quality is damn good. I went through all of the HD channels. While macroblocking is not unheard of, a result of the source, is not because of TDS. They are supplying 9 Mbps H.264 max.

You cannot get it if you are in AT&T territory, like me.

Even if I could get it, I wouldn't, as I refuse to pay money to those suppliers that put snipes and horrible bugs all over their video programming, which is every HD channel out there.

It is something worth looking into.
post #5421 of 5551
Anyone else having problems with Charter "rebooting" frequently? At least three times this month, I have woken to the "Channel Not Available" message on my Charter box, and a blinking yellow light on the Tuning Adapter for my Tivo. Any ideas what is going on? They finally added a service message on their phone in line telling customers to reboot their box. Also, today, after the reboot, Boomerang comes up "Not Authorized". Kiddies will be moaning without their daily Scooby snack.
post #5422 of 5551
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Originally Posted by mborland View Post

Anyone else having problems with Charter "rebooting" frequently? At least three times this month, I have woken to the "Channel Not Available" message on my Charter box, and a blinking yellow light on the Tuning Adapter for my Tivo. Any ideas what is going on? They finally added a service message on their phone in line telling customers to reboot their box. Also, today, after the reboot, Boomerang comes up "Not Authorized". Kiddies will be moaning without their daily Scooby snack.

Good Afternoon,

What you are describing sounds like outages. Often after an outage the equipment will need to be reset to resume service. If you have issues in the future, please feel free to contact us and we'll be happy to look into it for you!

Thanks,

Dylan
post #5423 of 5551
WMSN 47-2 (TheCoolTV) disappeared from both my HDTV and my converter box this afternoon. It was there this morning. I don't have the capability to analyze the stream to see if it's just hiding or if the carriage disputes have finally come to this market.
post #5424 of 5551
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

WMSN 47-2 (TheCoolTV) disappeared from both my HDTV and my converter box this afternoon. It was there this morning. I don't have the capability to analyze the stream to see if it's just hiding or if the carriage disputes have finally come to this market.

We are no longer carrying CoolTV on and Sinclair stations as of this afternoon.
post #5425 of 5551
Thanks Jim for the info. I asked in the Minneapolis thread about it too
post #5426 of 5551
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Originally Posted by WRacer View Post

We are no longer carrying CoolTV on and Sinclair stations as of this afternoon.

Will The Country Network be moved to 47-2 or are you looking for a replacement channel?
post #5427 of 5551
hopefully a replacement channel would be nice smile.gif
post #5428 of 5551
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

Will The Country Network be moved to 47-2 or are you looking for a replacement channel?

Not sure yet. Will move Country if we're not adding anything.
post #5429 of 5551
That's a shame if TDS is only rolling this out in FTTH subdivisions; with the FTTN VDSL2 upgrades they've done around town, they should be able to launch IPTV for their copper plant customers, too. AT&T is managing it with Uverse. It does sound like TDS is doing a staggered launch; maybe the copper VDSL2 FFTN customers -- who make up the bulk of TDS customers -- will get some love later.

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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

I have a friend who works for TDS who is in the area where it is being delivered. A fiber connection is required. You get 50 Mbps down and 20 Mbps up, along with the IPTV.
There are a crapload of channels, both SD and HD. The video quality is damn good. I went through all of the HD channels. While macroblocking is not unheard of, a result of the source, is not because of TDS. They are supplying 9 Mbps H.264 max.
You cannot get it if you are in AT&T territory, like me.
Even if I could get it, I wouldn't, as I refuse to pay money to those suppliers that put snipes and horrible bugs all over their video programming, which is every HD channel out there.
It is something worth looking into.
post #5430 of 5551
Fun to speculate on what could replace it ... MundoFox?
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Originally Posted by WRacer View Post

We are no longer carrying CoolTV on and Sinclair stations as of this afternoon.
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