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post #61 of 690
I must have really pissed of my D2 while cursing through trials and tribulations attempting to get it functioning. It won't even say "HELLO" to me anymore. I feel so unwelcome! Talk about adding insult to injury.
post #62 of 690
Well I have a slightly different story to tell... I was awaiting a HD1 to demo and review... in the box arrives a D2.. I have some boxes of boxes of the D2's that I was waiting on too actually.. but no cigar.. In any event since it was a demo unit I thought that possibly they packaged the HD1 into a D2 box... Nope ... it was a D2..

So I fire the sucker up ... and nothing... then remembered that the units come with the composite video active and you have to setup for the DVI .. I do this and voila... great pic... I was actually reading this thread when the D2 arrived.. I have put in and out a DVD several times... shut off and on the video again several times.. and no problems like you guys have been having at all albeit... only a limited number of times.. With the BenQ 8700+ it looks gorgeous... and definitely will be a keeper..I do not have the audio plugged in yet but don't have great expectations for this end of the equation in any event..

Will be trying it out with the Epson Cinema 500 later on tonight... and again will try and give some feedback on it..

Try and remember that you have to go into the setup to revise the video and turn on the DVI or other input sources when you get it.. Again my first reaction was oh oh..wtf.. and some other verbiage that I can't state...

If I ever do get the HD receiver HD1 I will put this in an alternate thread along with a review of the antenna from one of the sponsers here..

Robert
post #63 of 690
Thread Starter 
Makes me wonder now abt buyer this player at all! Maybe momitsu might still be a better choice, given the fact atleast they keep releasing firmware updates by listening to their customers.
post #64 of 690
David,

I am no stranger to cracking open a box and doing a little cleaning or repair but in light of the fact that it is less than 48 hours old, i cannot even begin to consider opening it and fixing it. That would be like driving a new car off the lot then having to realign the drivetrain to make it work. The simple principle is enough to get me a little steamed to be quite frank. How the hell are these guys sending these off the production line with so many construction flaws? I received a response to my email to tech support simply stating that they would replace it and requesting that I send my order number and the serial number on the unit. The only concern I have right now is, how much will this cost me in shipping (will they pay it?) and what happens if me second unit is dead or dies as well? Everyone interested in this unit wants one simple thing. The best picture quality they can achieve at a reasonable price. With so many of these not able to read a disk properly, I cannot understand how the design even made it past the drawing board.

If someone out there has a D2 or D1 that works flawlessly, please post to this forum. I would like to see how many people are getting these without functional flaws and problems.

Wiley
post #65 of 690
wsiler,
Well mine is less than 24 hrs old and I am too curious sometimes to find out what is going on inside that little box. I'm no technical genius and I am certainly not rich but I figured WTH so I decided to open her up.Having had a computer for 9 years I realize some things require a little tinkering.
One thing that made me want to open it was I heard something rattling around in it when I moved it. Upon opening the case I found a little piece of black plastic. Not knowing what it was I sat it aside. I noticed when you put a dvd in it the laser cartridge was too far back to read the disk. Lo and behold the little piece of plastic had broken off the left side of the cartridge therefore allowing the laser to go too far back. I removed the piece, glued it together, put it back in, put it back together and now it is working great
Maybe Vinc won't be too mad at me since I saved them money not having to send it back. At least now I can watch my DVD's the best way you can for now. If something happens later I will just have to deal with it.
David
post #66 of 690
David,
Sounds to me like you have probably found the design flaw then. The guide for the laser module is too weak to survive ether a) shipping or b) constant use. I haven't given mine a shake but I will check it for rattles when I get home. Like I said, capability or desire really don't play a part in my choice not to crack it open and fix it. I have had to re-solder connection points in my digital camera before and that was MUCH hairier work I can assure you. It is just a matter of being a picky consumer. I really think you should be able to expect that a product new in the box will work just like the manufacturer says. The fact that the D2 cost 50 bucks more than the D1 did makes me wonder where the cash is going. They are charging 50 bucks more for a supposedly better product yet the build quality has not increased along with the price. I hope your machine works our for you and that you don't get a delayed death later down the road. I have seen a few posts here and there for people whose D1 or D2s just gave up the ghost entirely due to volatile memory or bad power supply. Regardless, I am shipping mine back and getting my money back. The only question remaining is will VINC try and screw me out of a restocking fee despite the fact that they sent me a dead player. We shall see... Post to follow.

Thanks,
Wiley
post #67 of 690
Thread Starter 
wsiler: Well they should not be charging you for the return shipping since it is a defective unit. In fact, not even charge you the restocking fee coz ur returning for their fault, not urs. from what I have heard on these boards, Zenith and Momitsu seem to be better choices. I started with Samsung, Bravo, Momitsu and Zenith and now I am down to Zenith and Momitsu for my purchase.
post #68 of 690
mallu2u,

I have my fingers crossed that V INC is a scrupulous company but you know it is a crap shoot. Some companies will try and get as much from you as they can despite being at fault. Hopefully, V INC is not one of them. I have seen lots of complaints about their customer support so I am a little dubious about what I can expect. Regardless, I could not agree with you more that DOA products constitute a failure of the manufacturer to deliver on their end of the bargain and that the costs need to remain all theirs. Now we just have to wait and see what they think... 8)

I would be interested in finding more info on the players you have mentioned. Do you have any links for the Momitso and Zenith players?

Thanks for your reply,
Wiley
post #69 of 690
Thread Starter 
Keep us posted on what Vinc says.

Zenith: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=328403

Momitsu: Being one of most popular DVD Players, has tons of threads on the DVD Players forum. Just do a search on it and you shall see them.

Now both of them are not 'perfect' but both have strong followers due to their positives far outcompete their negatives.
post #70 of 690
Personally, I'd just like them to respond to my RMA request...now 3 days old...
post #71 of 690
The unit I received seems to do everything it suppose to... I will be getting in a large box full of them early next week or tomorrow so will advise how many are good... You may note that most people come on to complain whilst most others just sit back and enjoy... The box I received had a serious ding in it... Since it was in another exterior box the ding did not happen during shipping.. at least to my location and it survived the crash..
Yet I don't think a customer would want to receive a box in that condition..

Robert
post #72 of 690
Quote:
Originally posted by mandarax
TYou may note that most people come on to complain whilst most others just sit back and enjoy..
Robert
I wish I could agree with that statement, but you put it out there, so, let me offer this as counterpoint...I just can't agree.

I think most people come on to AVS to learn as much as they can about a product and use the forum as a resource to make informed purchase decisions.

Personally, I've used this forum's info as a resource for the purchase of two FANTASTIC projectors (The NEC HT1000 and Infocus 7200), multiple DVD players over the past three years and pre/pro and speakers as well. Most, if not all, of the product I purchased got overwhelmingly positive posting support from this community...and the last thing I wanted to do was to post a negative review of V's new player.

I love the image quality of the D1. But, I think that others have a right to know what mine, and others' personal experience with the new D2 player is...even if it results in a negative result.

Before I get flamed for my comments and for going off subject, I hope you'll understand that I only took issue with your specific statement that most people come on this forum to complain...as I said, with that, I can't agree.
post #73 of 690
Got my D2 finally today. Setup was a breeze. Started playing Extended LOTR after 50 minutes, it locked three times. Rewind, played the same scenes, stuck only once. The disc is clean, nothing on it, scratches or anything. This is a little frustrating to me. Hopefully, it won't happen again. I will test it for the next two days. If more movies lock up, then its back to Vinc. I just don't understand why this is happening. The D1 locked all the time. Returned it. The D2 locks, but instead of what the D1 did, lock and have to be rebooted, the D2 just locks for like a second or two, then keeps playing. Anyway seeing this yet? I really want this D2 to play movies without a hitch. The picture looks great but its not worth it if the player can't play movies properly.
post #74 of 690
ReeseG... I am only talking about the first couple of weeks of the release...
Then the dust settles...

I havent had the unit running as of yet other than some clips so the verdict is still out...

When I sell pieces if something is wrong I find out immediately. When everything is perfect I usually dont hear from people for a few weeks ...sometimes not until they want to purchase something else..

If you are stating that everyone that received a D2 and had no problem with it would write on the forum in the same numbers I would disagree with you.. but then I wasnt at all saying that people come onto AVS just to beotch like you infer..

There is nothing wrong with beotching... I hope everyone that has a problem does so at the top of their lungs... I just don't think that enough time has passed to make a judgement... I don't want customers having any problems..

Here is what I don't truly understand. Given the opportunity for the market I fail to understand why another 60.00 worth of parts in cost wasnt thrown at the product... Would we really care if it was 310.00 vs 250.00 if all of the QC problems were gone.. Even if you had to break even on the product for a tenure of an entire year just to get the volume and confidence built up it would be worth it over the long term... I am baffled to even hear of the problems some of you guys are having with the unit and now feel compelled to put in at least 8 hrs on the unit that did arrive before I would even risk giving one of these to a customer..

When writing I can see how the context was taken to mean something totally different.. and that it was more my poor writing without giving some of the context to explain it..

Hopefully they will not send another incorrect package.. and I start hearing more good stuff..

Robert
post #75 of 690
Quote:
Originally posted by mandarax
Here is what I don't truly understand. Given the opportunity for the market I fail to understand why another 60.00 worth of parts in cost wasnt thrown at the product... Would we really care if it was 310.00 vs 250.00 if all of the QC problems were gone.. Even if you had to break even on the product for a tenure of an entire year just to get the volume and confidence built up it would be worth it over the long term... I am baffled to even hear of the problems some of you guys are having with the unit and now feel compelled to put in at least 8 hrs on the unit that did arrive before I would even risk giving one of these to a customer..
Robert
Amen. You've hit the nail on the head.
post #76 of 690
Good new and better news:

I just decided to hammer my Bravo D2 with media to see if it had a breaking point. I fed into it every DVD I own, plus some CDs, totalling in at just over 100 pieces of media (95 were DVDs).

Every single DVD loaded just fine, no problems. Some faster than others, but, nothing took longer than a few seconds.

Then I about wet my pants with glee. I had always wondered if these DVD players that can read MP3s on CDs also extended that to include MP3s on DVDs. So I popped in some DVD-Rs I had made to back up my CD-gone-MP3 collection. Magically, the fancy ISO CD menu came up for my DVD-R and let me play the tons of MP3s on it with a nice little navigation system.

I also then tried a couple audio CDs.

Then I shut it off and turned it back on and put in some more DVDs.

Nothing broke, everything loaded flawlessly.

Here's my theory on what happened to you guys with bad loaders. You got your order in right away, and somewhere in there they swapped loaders on us. The first stack of orders got either (A) the same loader as the D1 because they had some leftovers :) or (B) some other piece of trash. Or, maybe it's just that little black thing one guy mentioned that broke off in shipping or assembly.

My loader version from the Firmware menu is "EPO-LDR DP-306A, 8X6M".
What is it for some of you who can't load media?

New behaviorisms I observed while doing this are:
- When you insert the DVD, the DVI signal will drop out for a second as it figures out what kind of media it is and then comes back.
- When you eject the DVD, you can't load the next one until the splash screen appears on the display again, the button is unresponsive until then.

Also I just have to say this, but I don't want to start a flame war. :p What tune would those of you with the remote IR code problem be humming if you had bought the D2 first, then you bought your Pioneer and brought it home and its remote started operating your DVD player?
post #77 of 690
Ive played about 3 hours of movies...So far I've only had the three 1 to 2 second hicccups with extended version of LOTR. No permanent locking up though. I have only turned it off though with the remote power button. Doesn't turning off the machine with the hard button make you use lose your settings?
post #78 of 690
Had mine since June 2. Still no problems. Some things I don't like, which I have documented previously, but so far I'm very pleased with the operation and the picture quality.

Tom
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post #79 of 690
Just got my Bravo D2. It conflicts a lot with my Pioneer receiver. Not happy about this as Jim Noyd had stated this would not be a problem. Jim, can you fill us in on this and let us know if there might be any resolution to this problem. I don't want to return this but I will have to if the IR conflict can't be resolved. Thanks.
post #80 of 690
Ive played about 3 hours of movies...So far I've only had the three 1 to 2 second hicccups with extended version of LOTR. No permanent locking up though. I have only turned it off though with the remote power button. Doesn't turning off the machine with the hard button make you use lose your settings?
post #81 of 690
Quote:
Originally posted by maxvengeance111
Ive played about 3 hours of movies...So far I've only had the three 1 to 2 second hicccups with extended version of LOTR. No permanent locking up though. I have only turned it off though with the remote power button. Doesn't turning off the machine with the hard button make you use lose your settings?
Hmm. Three 1-to-2 second hiccups? Is this similar to what I was talking about, where one time my DVD just went black for a second? Yeah that's annoying. I have not seen that since I plugged it into my surge strip. If I start to see that more, I won't stand for it.

Yes, turning off the machine with the hard button makes me lose my settings. When I said I turned it off during my testing, I meant "standby" -- sorry.
post #82 of 690
I've had mine since June 3rd. Took awhile to get the picture properly adjusted, on the DVI out to my Sammy DLP with Avia. Keeping the D2's picture adjustments at their midpoints, I ended up with the white level (contrast) a couple of numbers higher, and the black level (brightness) 9 numbers lower on the Sammy than I had them with the D1.

Haven't had any problems, though I've not really pushed it hard. I have firmware 1.1.9 and the same loader as microhof. I suspect they all are the same loader, at this point.

So far, so good.
post #83 of 690
I dont know if anyone posted this, but I will do it anyway.

Living in the capital world of lighting "The Tampa Bay Area" we loose power or the lights will flicker every afternoon. Everytime I loose power or flicker the D2 looses all settings.

What a freaking PITA. This is just plain wrong.
post #84 of 690
Actually Micro, the scenes just stuck, like froze, then started again. Not go to black. Really weird...I have hooked into a line conditioner/power strip as well. I have same firmware and the loader is the same.
post #85 of 690
By the way, what exactly is the midpoints, there are 13 bars....so 7? What does volume setting do by the way?
post #86 of 690
Quote:
Originally posted by maxvengeance111
Actually Micro, the scenes just stuck, like froze, then started again. Not go to black. Really weird...I have hooked into a line conditioner/power strip as well. I have same firmware and the loader is the same.
How many DVDs is LOTR extended version on? Are you sure it wasn't just the normal layer change delay? I did notice the layer change was fairly long while watching LOTR:ROTK, regular edition....fortunately it lined up with something that it didn't affect much.
post #87 of 690
Quote:
Originally posted by maxvengeance111
By the way, what exactly is the midpoints, there are 13 bars....so 7?
Yup! 7 bars. 6 bars on each side of the 7th bar, so you have 7 bars showing.
post #88 of 690
Has anyone played a video-based DVD (e.g., music video) vs. film-based DVD on the D2? On the D1 video-based DVDs stutter due to D1 not recognizing it's a video-based DVD and frames per second being different between video and film-based sources resulting in dropped frames.
post #89 of 690
Unless the layer change occurs in three different places within 10 minutes of film, and then on repeat isnt there anymore, I would have to say it was a weird glitch. I am going to watch the same scenes tomorrow. It hasnt happened with anything else yet.
post #90 of 690
Are featurettes video based? I have watched some behind the scenes and stuff like that for movies without any problems.
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