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post #1111 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

That seems to be where most people end up, although I can't claim an extensive survey to back up that belief. In my case, it's (1). Fourteen HD channels (Seven OTA, seven satellite) usually can take care of (2) for me and (3) doesn't apply.

You will get a better (sometimes even good) SD picture if you keep it in the original 4:3 rather than stretching it to fill the screen.

Obviously, some SD channels look much better than others, too, especially on DirecTV which seems to apply different rates of compression to different channels. OTA digital SD is generally better, although even there the quality seems to vary from day to day.


For me, bad (compressed) HD is WAY better than any SD program. But then that is my opinion.
post #1112 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Rottluver View Post

I am looking at either the TH-50PHD8UK or it's 42 inch companion.......they are HD720 as opposed to 1080. Would that make any diff as far as piss poor SD vewing goes or is that something else entirely that' y'all are talking about? I am clueless when it comes to this stuff.........

The 50 PHD has a resolution of 1366 x 768. The 42 PHD is 1024 x 768. SD programming meant for a CRT with 480 lines of resolution will look worse the larger the screen size gets and the closer you sit. If you get the larger 50" you might want to sit 10 or more feet away. Even then the color will be washed out and the picture will not be very sharp.

Let's face it, it is just not high definition. It is not supposed to look good. You can put earrings on a pig to make it look better but it's still a pig.
post #1113 of 1376
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Originally Posted by billt1111 View Post

The 50 PHD has a resolution of 1366 x 768. The 42 PHD is 1024 x 768. SD programming meant for a CRT with 480 lines of resolution will look worse the larger the screen size gets and the closer you sit. If you get the larger 50" you might want to sit 10 or more feet away. Even then the color will be washed out and the picture will not be very sharp.

Let's face it, it is just not high definition. It is not supposed to look good. You can put earrings on a pig to make it look better but it's still a pig.

Well that bites!!!!

I currently have a 1998 Mitsu 60" projection TV and (obviously) no HD equip....but D* is/was running a bitchin special on install, free equip (incl HD Tivo DVR) for existing NFL Sunday Ticket subscribers, which I am......makes me wanna buy an HD TV just to get that free stuff. Plus I am sure at some point this TV has to stop working...........almost 8 yrs old and I am using it ALLLLL the time. Still going strong though, surprisingly..........

The distance from the screen isn't an issue, I sit a good 12 feet away from my 60" as it is............just only have so many channels in HD available right now (if I get the HD upgrade)......so a decent chunk of my viewing will have to be SD for the time being.

I keep looking at the 42" TVs and thinking.....My GOD these are tiny. All these years with a giant projection TV have ruined me.
post #1114 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Rottluver View Post

I currently have a 1998 Mitsu 60" projection TV and (obviously) no HD equip....but D* is/was running a bitchin special on install, free equip (incl HD Tivo DVR) for existing NFL Sunday Ticket subscribers, which I am......makes me wanna buy an HD TV just to get that free stuff. Plus I am sure at some point this TV has to stop working...........almost 8 yrs old and I am using it ALLLLL the time. Still going strong though, surprisingly..........

The distance from the screen isn't an issue, I sit a good 12 feet away from my 60" as it is............just only have so many channels in HD available right now (if I get the HD upgrade)......so a decent chunk of my viewing will have to be SD for the time being.

I keep looking at the 42" TVs and thinking.....My GOD these are tiny. All these years with a giant projection TV have ruined me.

I think you are misunderstanding the issue. Your 1998 Mits 60" also looks terrible. You just don't know it because that is all you look at. The 50" HD Panny plasma is an AWESOME display. I have an older 6UY 42" model. HD programming and HD NFLST will looks spectacular on it. The problem is that by COMPARISON to HD on this set your SD programming will look like crap. The only reason you will notice the disaster that is SD is because you now can see just how perfect an image can look.

Pull the trigger and go for it. Keeping yourself in the dark for fear of the light is not justification for never opening the door and stepping outside. The contrast between HD and SD PQ only serves to remind us every day how much better we all are with HD.
post #1115 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Rottluver View Post

I am looking at either the TH-50PHD8UK or it's 42 inch companion.......they are HD720 as opposed to 1080. Would that make any diff as far as piss poor SD vewing goes or is that something else entirely that' y'all are talking about? I am clueless when it comes to this stuff.........

Virtually all affordable HD plasmas are 720 (768, actually), so no, it wouldn't make any difference as far as this discussion goes. A 42" tends to look a little better on SD than a 50", but only because it is smaller, so the flaws are a little less obvious.

Different sets handle SD more or less well, but which does it best is debatable. You can check various reviews to get some clue, but it seems everyone has a different opinion. Some people are well satisfied with SD picture quality, others can barely tolerate it. In the end, you'll have to look at some sets yourself and make your own judgement.
post #1116 of 1376
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Originally Posted by billt1111 View Post

For me, bad (compressed) HD is WAY better than any SD program. But then that is my opinion.

Mine, too. That's why I watch HD at least 80% of the time.

However, sometimes I get digital SD OTA that looks pretty good if I leave the aspect ratio alone. No doubt it helps that I view it upconverted by my D* HR10-250 receiver to 1080i, which fools the TV into giving the picture the richer HD color palate.
post #1117 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Mine, too. That's why I watch HD at least 80% of the time.

However, sometimes I get digital SD OTA that looks pretty good if I leave the aspect ratio alone. No doubt it helps that I view it upconverted by my D* HR10-250 receiver to 1080i, which fools the TV into giving the picture the richer HD color palate.

I "lock" my D* H20 HD receiver on 1080i as well. My SD programming is sent to my 42" HD Panny as 1080i. The scaling is done in the H20 receiver, not the Panny. It is another one of those "tricks" a viewer can do to minimize the SD effect. For me, the H20 makes all the difference. When I tried the same thing in my Samsung 360 HD receiver the result was terrible and I went back to "native" mode.
post #1118 of 1376
Wow, I was ready to pull the trigger on the Panasonic 42PD60U but all of this talk about SD viewing being so bad has me thinking twice. I won't have HD signals available to me for several years due to my apartment situation but I want to upgrade from my 32" Sony CRT. My viewing distance is from 6-9 feet.

Price point is $1500 for a display. I love letterboxed DVD movies but my display will primarily be for SD on Dish Network. Does anybody actually like SD on a Panasonic EDTV display?

Any help on how SD looks would be appreciated as the stores only show you HD sources.

Thanks,
Dave
post #1119 of 1376
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Originally Posted by billt1111 View Post

I think you are misunderstanding the issue. Your 1998 Mits 60" also looks terrible. You just don't know it because that is all you look at. The 50" HD Panny plasma is an AWESOME display. I have an older 6UY 42" model. HD programming and HD NFLST will looks spectacular on it. The problem is that by COMPARISON to HD on this set your SD programming will look like crap. The only reason you will notice the disaster that is SD is because you now can see just how perfect an image can look.

Pull the trigger and go for it. Keeping yourself in the dark for fear of the light is not justification for never opening the door and stepping outside. The contrast between HD and SD PQ only serves to remind us every day how much better we all are with HD.

And I think you are misunderstanding me ENIRELY!!! While I appreciate some of what you said, some of it was uncalled for. My TV does NOT look terrible. Is it as good as a $3k HD tv? Of course not, it is over 7 yrs old and not HD. However the picture is amazing for what it is and considering I don't currently have an HD receiver or dish, and let's not forget that in my area, HD signal is only available via an EXTRA antenna according to D*

I am not "keeping myself in the dark for fear of blah blah blah" I am trying to make an educated decision based on a special D* is offering........and my main question was that if the SD channels are so bad on an HD tv, why would I want to spend 3 grand to upgrade to an HDTV currently when I can continue to use my perfectly good projection tv until better channels/signls/etc are made available in my area?

And I have seen many diff brands/models/styles of HDTVs on displays at various stores.......some of them are not as good as my current TV's.......The Panny I have heard tremendous things about, just don't know if it is worth it considering ALL the circumstances here.
post #1120 of 1376
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Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post

Wow, I was ready to pull the trigger on the Panasonic 42PD60U but all of this talk about SD viewing being so bad has me thinking twice. I won't have HD signals available to me for several years due to my apartment situation but I want to upgrade from my 32" Sony CRT. My viewing distance is from 6-9 feet.

Price point is $1500 for a display. I love letterboxed DVD movies but my display will primarily be for SD on Dish Network. Does anybody actually like SD on a Panasonic EDTV display?

Any help on how SD looks would be appreciated as the stores only show you HD sources.

Thanks,
Dave

I went from a 32" Sony CRT to a 42" Panasonic plasma, and I view from about 9 feet.

I can tell you that you'll love DVD's on the Panasonic. No comparison with the 32" CRT there, if for no other reason than the much larger image.

On the other hand, SD broadcasts are a mixed bag. As I mentioned previously, some of them look quite good. Others are pretty bad, even OTA. I have had no experience with Dish, but DirecTV signals are even more variable. The premium channels and a few others look pretty good. Many others (e.g. Sci-Fi, Comedy Central, etc.) are, uh... disappointing , although they seem to have gotten better in the past year (or maybe I've just become used to them).

Overall, I'd say my old 32" Sony has the edge on SD broadcasts, in part because the image is a little smaller. (42" 16:9 plasma is equal vertically to 34" 4:3.) In addition, Digital TV's don't seem to be as tolerant of flaws in source material as the older analog sets were.

The problem with my observation is that I have access to and watch a lot of HD, so SD suffers greatly by comparison. I'm not sure that it looks so bad when not compared to HD. A lot of people report being pleasantly surprised by SD PQ on their plasmas.

For what it's worth, conventional wisdom is that EDTVs handle SD better than HDTVs. I'm not convinced that is as true now as it was a few years ago, but they certainly will be at least as good.

Just one person's experience, of course, and, as usual, YMMV.
post #1121 of 1376
Thanks to everyone. especially Macfan424 for comments in this thread. I have ordered a Panasonic 42PD60U at a price that I can afford at this time. Maybe several years down the road it will be in the bedroom when I step up to full HD at maybe the same price.
Dave
post #1122 of 1376
Ok, I am new here and need 5 posts before I can post a link
post #1123 of 1376
Received my Panasonic 42PD60U today. Great service, no tax or delivery charge from a company with a 6 letter name that breaks down into 2 words. Guess I can't say the name of the company. Their delivery was exactly during time frame they stated. Brought it to my door and I lugged it inside, put the stand on it, dialed settings down and ran the burn in DVD mentioned on this site.

Thanks to all the informative posts here.

Dave
post #1124 of 1376
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Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post

Received my Panasonic 42PD60U today. Great service, no tax or delivery charge from a company with a 6 letter name that breaks down into 2 words. Guess I can't say the name of the company. Their delivery was exactly during time frame they stated. Brought it to my door and I lugged it inside, put the stand on it, dialed settings down and ran the burn in DVD mentioned on this site.

Thanks to all the informative posts here.

Dave

Burn in DVD? Which one is that/why/what the heck? I am new to this if you could help me out.
post #1125 of 1376
Hi, I've got a general question on plasmas and 1080p. Thanks in advance for any help.


Is there or if not will there ever be 42" 1080p plasma sets...?


All the ones I've seen are 50"+ and so. Anything bigger than 42 is too big for me but I want a plasma and it seems there's some weird problem with pixel size or whatever, barely any plasmas are under 40" and the higher the res usually the bigger the size..
post #1126 of 1376
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by fanta View Post

Hi, I've got a general question on plasmas and 1080p. Thanks in advance for any help.


Is there or if not will there ever be 42" 1080p plasma sets...?


All the ones I've seen are 50"+ and so. Anything bigger than 42 is too big for me but I want a plasma and it seems there's some weird problem with pixel size or whatever, barely any plasmas are under 40" and the higher the res usually the bigger the size..



Fujitsu/Hitachi will ...

http://www.fujitsu.com/emea/news/pr/fme_20060105.html

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post #1127 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Rottluver View Post

Burn in DVD? Which one is that/why/what the heck? I am new to this if you could help me out.

The file I downloaded can be found here Select "Downloads" and then select your Plasma Break-in DVD download link. I selected the NRG Download and after the download completed it started Nero (if you have it) and that burned my DVD which runs for about 30 minutes and then auto starts again.

Another one I have found in the Plasma & Panasonic FAQ Sticky thread in this forum is here

Hope this is helpful.
post #1128 of 1376
Thanks Double D (salutes) I appreciate the assist.
post #1129 of 1376
Right now with my 1998 RCA 52" Projection TV, my HD STB Digital Audio Out is connected to my AVR. But I just bought the TH-50PX60U and I see it has a Digital Audio Out.

Which one do I use? I'd prefer to use the HD-STB Digital Audio Out mainly cause I don't know if the Coax will reach the Plasma on the wall.

Also, Now that I have a TV with HDMI, I thought it would be right to use the HDMI out of the STB, but if I'm going to use the STB Digital Audio Out, why not just stick with my STB Component out. Except for HDMI being less clutter, why should I use HDMI actually?

TIA
post #1130 of 1376
HDMI is digital. Component is analog.
post #1131 of 1376
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Originally Posted by HDrool View Post

Right now with my 1998 RCA 52" Projection TV, my HD STB Digital Audio Out is connected to my AVR. But I just bought the TH-50PX60U and I see it has a Digital Audio Out.

Which one do I use? I'd prefer to use the HD-STB Digital Audio Out mainly cause I don't know if the Coax will reach the Plasma on the wall.

Also, Now that I have a TV with HDMI, I thought it would be right to use the HDMI out of the STB, but if I'm going to use the STB Digital Audio Out, why not just stick with my STB Component out. Except for HDMI being less clutter, why should I use HDMI actually?

TIA

1. continue to use the digital audio out from the set top box to your AVR (I don't believe the digital audio out will work from the TV, unless the TV tuner is directly receiving the signal (via a cable card, or over the air, or directly attached cable). Make sure to turn off the TVs speakers, as you are using the speakers attached to your AVR.

Regardless, there is no reason to go out from the TV for sound when using a cable box with an AVR.

2. There isn't a huge benefit to HDMI from the cable box to the TV over component -- but in theory in should be a better picture (pure digital). In practice, few can tell the difference. I would use it, unless you don't want to buy an HDMI cable.

You could stick with your component out though, if you wanted to. You wouldn't really lose much.
post #1132 of 1376
Thanks caesar1. Saved me a call to Panasonic.

I'll go with the HDMI over component ( 1 cable vs. three).
post #1133 of 1376
Just Got a samsung hps5053 two weeks ago. The PQ is very good. No dead pixels. But out of the box I noticed a buzzing on the upper right corner in the back. I called samsung and they had a tech visit my home last Fri. He replaced the x board and the buzzing was reduced. Now there is a slight buzzing in the middle back . Its not as loud as before. If I turn on the set and put it on mute and sit about 8-10ft I can hear it slightly. If I go in back of the set it is more noticeable. At volume 40 I don't hear the buzzing anymore when program volume is minimal(2 people talking). Can you guys tell me if this is normal? When I go to BB/CC/frys I can't tell because all the sets are on. But I can't here the buzzing/humming. Can anyone here with a 5053 tell me if this is normal with this set. I setup another appointment for the service tech for next week and if he can't fix it . I've have to get it replaced with a new set(less than 30days). The PQ on this set is very good and I really don't want to get a new one if this is a normal thing with this set. Any help would be appreciated. Is this normal for all plasmas? or just this set? I live in LA so I'm not above 6.5k ft. I don't know why its buzzing/humming? Thanks for the help.
post #1134 of 1376
Settings and Changes
Hey Maybe it is me and the effect that the 50px600u is having on me, but I have noticed something, and need to know if it has happened to anyone else.

Got the unit a few days ago and have been leaving it on about 15 hours a day on with stations that do not have a logo visible on the screen. I check it regularly to avoid any potential burnin. Believe it or not there is a channel NBC NY 4-4 that usually does not have the logo.

When it does, I search for a new one. The station repeats several shows throughout the day so that I recognize ones that must be changed immediately or not to worry.

Yes in the evening, that can be come a bit difficult, but since those stations are not watched too long and I change channels at commercials, IR possibilities are greatly reduced.
Occasionally I will watch a show in HD (1080) if it comes in on its own HD subchannel and it is a full screen version without the gray side bars so that the image covers the entire screen. I am not changing the upscaling to 1080, but the "Info" button gives me that info.


My settings are:
Picture - Standard (not vivid or cimema)
all at zero except for sharpness, which is 4;
Picture set to normal
Aspect set to Just
Input set at 480

Here is the question of the moment:
Over the past two days, I have noticed a definite increase in the unit's clarity/image/sharpness/color contrast and the like. I have NOT changed the settings, nor have I intentionally sought to up the reception. Has any one else noticed their set increase in reception during the break in period from the washed out first day to a 'wow' (at least for me) while still keeping everything so low --as in zeros--?

Am I missing something?
Am I doing something wrong without realizing it?
Is this one the benefits that a proper break in will do?
Or,
Am I just falling more and more in love with this unit so that it just gets better and better in my mind?

Thoughts and related experiences would be appreciated.
..Mark
post #1135 of 1376
Hello, I have the Panasonic TH-42PX500U and I have had it since last december. I really love the set - but I am starting to notice something that has just happened recently. It seems that for some reason, still images (station logos, video game HUDS, etc) are "staying" on the screen, even after I change the channel or turn off the source material. The set never used to have this problem and I wanted to know if anyone else has seen similar behavior after about 9 months of use, or if I should call panasonic about this?

Any tips would be great.

Thanks!
Andrew
post #1136 of 1376
Bruzzi,
was a long time not in your thread.
Anyway i'm back with the factory menue access for German/ European TH-42PX62E (my new baby):
1. adjust at the audio-menĂ¼ bass to maximum and treble to minimum

2. Press simultanious the button -/v at the front of the unit and index on the remote.

3. Service-MenĂ¼ appears on screen

-the options will be choosed by the red and green buttons on the remote
-the values are changed with the yellow and blue buttons on the remote

Att a first glance i can do the color balancing have to go deaper in the thread what all the termina in the menues are meaning, i also have to find out how to store there.

Best
Armin
post #1137 of 1376
Does anyone know if decrete buttons (e.g. AspectZoom, AspectFull etc on Harmony, or descrete codes mentioned in FAQ site) for Aspect work on consumer model like 42PD50U? My Harmony has them but it does not have any effect.. not sure if Harmony is not programed correctly or TV does not notice them.

thanks.
post #1138 of 1376
Hey there,

I just got my Panasonic TH42PX60 and everything is going well, kind of. I have all the brightness, contrast, picture settings lowered and have used it for about 20 hours so far and plan to keep it that way for the first 100 hours.

My concern is that when I'm viewing standard definition, I see three vertical lines on the right of my panel that seem to distort/blur the picture. The line at the very right will blur the picture the most, then the 2 to the left slowly fading away. I have played video games slightly during the 20 hours I've been using it, but nothing with a stationary health bar or anything like that (mostly the nhl 07 demo for 360 actually, highly recommend it).

At first I thought it was something wrong with the panel, but it ONLY happens when I'm viewing the cable picture, NOT a video game. I haven't had time to go get my HD Cable box/receiver yet, so I currently have the cable from the Standard Def cable box going straight into the cable input for the tv (round thing you screw onyo, hole in it).

I plan on getting my HD box soon and will use component/hdmi hookups, will this get rid of the problem? Is it only behaving like this because of the crappy way I'm using a higher end tv?

Any info will help, thank you very much!

Dave
post #1139 of 1376
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Originally Posted by work4072006 View Post

Hey there,

it ONLY happens when I'm viewing the cable picture, NOT a video game. I haven't had time to go get my HD Cable box/receiver yet, so I currently have the cable from the Standard Def cable box going straight into the cable input for the tv (round thing you screw onyo, hole in it).

I plan on getting my HD box soon and will use component/hdmi hookups, will this get rid of the problem? Is it only behaving like this because of the crappy way I'm using a higher end tv?

Any info will help, thank you very much!

Dave

Are you in an area where you can pick up Over-the-air (OTA) digital signals, vs. using the cable box? You would need to connect a UHF antenna to pick up most of these signals and then run the Channel Programming function (via the setup menu). That way, you can compare the picture quality with what you get on those channels.

Additionally, you can try the Component outputs of the cable box (if there are any).
post #1140 of 1376
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Originally Posted by Slikkster View Post

Are you in an area where you can pick up Over-the-air (OTA) digital signals, vs. using the cable box? You would need to connect a UHF antenna to pick up most of these signals and then run the Channel Programming function (via the setup menu). That way, you can compare the picture quality with what you get on those channels.

Additionally, you can try the Component outputs of the cable box (if there are any).

Thanks! As per your suggestion, I knew I didn't have component cables, but decided to look behind the cable box anyway, and it supported typical video output (red white yellow, whatever it's called...). I detached my girlfriend's dvd player from our other tv for her trusty cables, and hooked the cable box up this way.

Success! Those 3 white blur lines are gone, I guess I can just assume that I have a faulty cable or something going from the cable box to tv?

One problem: Buzzing sound if I hook it up this way if I have the tv volume turned up and the cable box volume at about medium. I currently have the cable box volume cranked and the tv volume very low to get around this. Not too worried about this problem as I'm fairly sure the HD box is going to solve all the problems since my xbox sound works fine, but any suggestion for this until I get that HD box?

Very glad joined this forum, thanks a lot for your suggestion Slikkster (I realize I'm a noob).

Dave
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