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post #6091 of 8134
I always left it in native 4x3.

I used wide zoom for a while but once I realized burn-in wouldn't be an issue I left it at "normal" for 4x3 material.
post #6092 of 8134
Hey is the KV-34XBR910 a good buy for 500? How does it compare to the 960? Thanks
post #6093 of 8134
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Originally Posted by Joseph Dubin View Post

Just out of curiosity, what setting does this group prefer for it's 4x3 material? Wide-zoom allows the center to appear closer to it's original geometry but at the same time picture quality becomes a little less sharper due to increased stretching that increases the picture size and cuts off the sides.

I use Wide-zoom for 4:3 SD except for the occasional letterboxed program where I switch to zoom. I use Full for HD and anamorphic SD.
post #6094 of 8134
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Originally Posted by Kruzifixxion View Post

Hey is the KV-34XBR910 a good buy for 500? How does it compare to the 960? Thanks

I don't know if it was a problem with the particular set I bought, but I found that the 910 I bought last year produced a much dimmer picture that than 960 in my bedroom, even after getting it ISF calbrated. I bought mine for $500 used, but I got the show to throw in a Samsung OTA turner for free so I could watch HD OTA. I'd try to push for something closer to $400 if they're willing to negotiate. $500 is okay if they thrown in the custom stand or OTA tuner). It's missing a few features that they put in the 960, the menu isn't as precise (and my calibrator *hated* having to use the 910's menu when calibrating as it uses a bunch of dashes for picture levels instead of showing a number) and it doesn't have the OTA and QAM tuners. It's still worth getting it you can't get a 960, but don't pay more than it's truly worth. I paid $475 to two different sellers for the two 960s I have now, one for just the tv, the other had the custom stand thrown in for free (I gave the 910 to my mom last weekend when I got my new 960).

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Just out of curiosity, what setting does this group prefer for it's 4x3 material? Wide-zoom allows the center to appear closer to it's original geometry but at the same time picture quality becomes a little less sharper due to increased stretching that increases the picture size and cuts off the sides.

I stick with true 4:3 for movies and shows that are shot in that format, but I use wide-zoom for some games. Really, in games like Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door you really can't notice the picture distortion much at all.
post #6095 of 8134
fwiw, Anyone looking for a 960 in the North East might check this out as its owned by an ISF Calibrator:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14751744
post #6096 of 8134
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Originally Posted by Kruzifixxion View Post

Hey is the KV-34XBR910 a good buy for 500? How does it compare to the 960? Thanks

I can't speak for how well the 910 stacks up to the 960 (but on paper the 960 is better due to the cablecard, integrated HD tuner, etc)....

But my reason for posting was to say I just bought my (new to me) XBR960 for $300. No stand with it but I didn't need it anyway (I never used the stand with my KV-32HV600 that I upgraded from).

I did get a steal on this thing (I found it on Craigslist). I'd been seeing the 960 go for $400-450 here in Atlanta, but this guy had a girlfriend harping at him to get it out of their apartment so he priced it low to move it quickly.

Man I love this set. It looks great (he had it ISF calibrated). I was so happy with my HV600, but I'm just in love with this XBR960. (especially since 90% of what we watch is HD, it's nice to have that big HD picture)
post #6097 of 8134
Same thing happened to me. I just picked up a 960 yesterday from a guy on craigslist, same story, girlfriend wanted it out of the apartment. Only $400, including the matching stand. I've been watching these things since they started selling them in 2004!
post #6098 of 8134
If anyone is selling or knows someone selling a 960 in Orlando, Fl, please PM me.
post #6099 of 8134
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Originally Posted by Paradigm_Shift23 View Post

If anyone is selling or knows someone selling a 960 in Orlando, Fl, please PM me.

Craigslist has them in Atlanta, Austin, Charlotte, Chico, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, New Jersey, New York, Orange County, Philadelphia, Roanoke, Rochester, Salem, San Antonio, San Diego, San Francisco, Tri-Cities, Washington DC

and did I mention Orlando?

http://orlando.craigslist.org/ele/829530215.html

http://orlando.craigslist.org/ele/812218102.html
post #6100 of 8134
I bought a 960 off ebay. A little more than $475. The tv works fine, as I saw that it worked when I got there to pick it up, but I've got a couple issues that need resolved:

HDMI is not working. I'm not sure if this is a cable issue or what. Do I need HDMI for blu-ray or an upconverting dvd player?

The "video" sign in the upper left corner doesn't go away.

The menu button doesn't seem to always work-I may need a new remote from sony. I was able to calibrate a little in Pro mode.

Ideas, suggestions?
post #6101 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post


The "video" sign in the upper left corner doesn't go away.

Ideas, suggestions?

Try pressing the "Display" button on the remote control, that should take care of the "video" sign.
post #6102 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

HDMI is not working. I'm not sure if this is a cable issue or what. Do I need HDMI for blu-ray or an upconverting dvd player?

There were some HDMI board failures on the 960s, it may need repair. Try contacting the owner and see if he has any advice. You don't need HDMI to view really great HD signals, component will carry 1080i and below perfectly well. Your problem will be too few HD inputs on the TV, so you may want to invest in a decent quality component splitter. I bought a Philips HD auto-switcher from Walmart a few years ago that's worked great.
post #6103 of 8134
Okay, that's what I thought about HDMI. I'll just use component and buy a new remote from Sony-hopefully that should take care of the video sign.

This kind of sucks since my Oppo only has HDMI. Perhaps it's time to upgrade to a 983 or sit it out for their blu ray.
post #6104 of 8134
Are there any calibration settings in this 204 pager? I've been playing with picture and brightness settings in pro mode, but that's been about it.

Otherwise, I'll sift through the entire thread.

Guys, thanks for all your help!
post #6105 of 8134
Six months ago I bought my first 960 off craigslist. Paid $350 including the matching stand and DVD player. Saturday I picked up my second 960 for $200! Both units purchased from first owners....not a scratch on them....work perfectly.

Everyone that comes in the house and sees the picture quality of my TVs, remarks something along the lines of, "Geez, I think that picture quality is better than my flatscreen."

I feed both TVs with an antenna from my attic.... Pure HD signal...sometimes I'm still amazed by the picture!

Boys, it's a buyers market!
post #6106 of 8134
I'll echo WJonathan's comment about HDMI board failures.

I bought mine from Fry's a couple of years ago. It was an "open box" item and I bought their extended warranty. The HDMI worked initially, but the HDMI board had to be replaced and it's been working fine ever since.

Was the HDMI problem listed in the auction? Double check with the seller and see if he was aware of it. It's possible he might not have used the HDMI and was unaware of it.

Alternatively, since you purchased it on eBay, did you get an offer from SquareTrade.com for a warranty? It might be worth it in the long run.
post #6107 of 8134
He didn't have a blu-ray player and I don't think he knew much about TVs. Someone at CC sold him on this thing and he likes cnet. He knew little about calibration, different models, etc.

Really nice guy, very honest, wanted to help me out, so I don't think its a stretch to say he never used hdmi, especially if it's a tv with one hdmi output.

He was NOT a videophile.

I'm less concerned about that than I am with the "video" sign to go away and getting a remote that fully works- I suspect those problems go together, since the display button and the menu button don't work on the remote

I didn't get the ebay warranty, etc. I just got the one he had from Sony- which expired, so it's sort of meaningless. It was so cheap, that I'm not sure what I'll do down the road. I may hold out still for a kuro or panny in two years.

I went down to bestbuy to look for a stand for this sucker, but I've got an alternative that should work better.

btw, I picked up an XD-E500 player from Toshiba and passed on the new panny blu ray (bd35), since the Toshiba has a region hack- I've got WAY too many hong kong dvds. I wished that Panny had a region hack, too.
post #6108 of 8134
Looks like I can't upconvert any dvd without hdmi.
post #6109 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Are there any calibration settings in this 204 pager? I've been playing with picture and brightness settings in pro mode, but that's been about it.

You think this one is extensive?

You need to go to this "Sony tweaks" thread for a complete discussion and how-to in "service mode". It's long, but what you want is there.

Many categories of "calibration"... geometry, color, brightness/contrast, etc.

Don't forget that every XBR960 CRT is an analog device, with slight differences from every other XBR960. So each and every numeric setting from one user will not necessarily be the "correct" value for your set. While many values will definitely be universal for all users, lots of settings are affected by things such as "convergence magnets" on the back of the picture tube and which are thus unique to each and every set.

So... just be careful when entering the world of the service menu. And be sure to write down all of your current settings before you start playing.
post #6110 of 8134
Okay, so I talked with guy I purchased the tv from and he used HDMI as his source for cable...it was not an easy move getting this tv back to my house and I was scared I may have broken it a couple times. I blame myself.

I'm just wondering if the way it was moved, turning it on it's side and then using a dolly to move it may have messed some things up internally.

Is there a way to reset the tv???
post #6111 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Okay, so I talked with guy I purchased the tv from and he used HDMI as his source for cable...it was not an easy move getting this tv back to my house and I was scared I may have broken it a couple times. I blame myself.

I'm just wondering if the way it was moved, turning it on it's side and then using a dolly to move it may have messed some things up internally.

These TVs are very fragile and very heavy. It's always an unfortunate possibility to damage the set whenever it's moved. There's a reason it came new packed in an ungodly amount of styrofoam. The guns can easily be 'bumped' out of alignment, and I've also heard tales of strange on-screen displays/input errors similar to the ones you're describing appearing around the time of a move.

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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Is there a way to reset the tv???

Somewhere there should be a master 'reset to factory defaults' option. Although I don't remember offhand where it is. Please note that with this TV and it's outstanding analog source upconverting, you'll actually get a much nicer upconverted image by setting your DVD source output to 480P and letting the television's Cinemotion and Super Fine Dot Pitch engine do the work through the component inputs. In my experience on this set, it's a dramatically better picture then the Oppo (or any other up-converting player) outputting 1080i and hooked up through HDMI. This TV's own ability is the secret to all it's crazy admirers. Don't underestimate the power of the last Trinitron !
post #6112 of 8134
All is well.

Had my oppo at 1080p, hence the black screen, so the HDMI is working fine.

Remote seems to work completely now, as well.

I noticed this with the tv, as well. It didn't really matter what the dvd player was, since this tv does a better upconversion than any player I've thrown at it.

The edge enhancement feature is interesting and seems to even sharpen scenes more than I thought possible (Although it may induce some slight ghosting?).

Still, blu ray over HDMI is so much better than component. The clarity with blu ray on this set is amazing. My bd35 is the first blu ray player that looks like a normal dvd player, but it's still slow (and this was supposed to be the fastest player out there besides ps3).
post #6113 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Is there a way to reset the tv???

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Originally Posted by okwhatev View Post

.....Somewhere there should be a master 'reset to factory defaults' option. Although I don't remember offhand where it is. ....

A few words of advice.

Under NO circumsatances should you attempt a RESET of ANY kind unless you desire a LONG , DIFFICULT road of restoring your set from the ashes.

Y'all have been warned, AGAIN.

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All is well.

Had my oppo at 1080p, hence the black screen, so the HDMI is working fine....

post #6114 of 8134
I've got a dead line of resolution across my screen. It's not really noticeable unless I'm a foot away from the tv, but I'm wondering what to do about it.

Blu ray looks ridiculous on this set, amazing sound, really amazing picture.

Also, I've noticed some slight ghosting during black scenes. I saw some in Casino Royale today. Does the edge enhancement feature cause that or is it just phosphor CRT based?
post #6115 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

I've got a dead line of resolution across my screen. It's not really noticeable unless I'm a foot away from the tv, but I'm wondering what to do about it.

You're sure you're not just seeing the two tiny horizontal wires that hold the aperture grill against the back of the glass? Usually they're located about 25% down from the top and 25% up from bottom.

EVERY Sony Trinitron picture tube, be it in a computer CRT monitor or a TV, has two such very tiny wires that are visible if you get very close to the tube and look for it. That's simply how the tubes are made and all Trinitron owners have seen them at one time or another and just gotten used to them.

Move back to normal viewing distance, and don't look for them. After a while you just will not see them.

Is this what you're referring to?
post #6116 of 8134
Okay, that's what I'm seeing

Man, you guys know your stuff!
post #6117 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Okay, that's what I'm seeing

Excellent.

Actually, they're really only most easily visible against a stable solid white background, such as you might see in a composition window for a computer's email or word processing program and where you're pretty close to the CRT screen.

Any other dark background, or one where the content is in motion (e.g. normal TV watching), makes it absolutely impossible to see these wires.

That's the price of "Trinitron perfection" I guess. XBR960 owners, be content.
post #6118 of 8134
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Are there any calibration settings in this 204 pager? I've been playing with picture and brightness settings in pro mode, but that's been about it.

Otherwise, I'll sift through the entire thread.

Guys, thanks for all your help!

Congratulations on your new 960. Can tell how much you love it just like the rest of us do.

Regarding the service menu, be sure to write down original factory settings to set them back to the way they originally were to avoid making any mistakes. I would also suggest printing out the master list of all service codes in the suggested thread by group - it provides the actual SONY default setting for each item plus space to write down your adjusted setting.

I'm not a technician so I skipped those callibrations requiring more technical expertise, just comparing factory settings to the suggested default to see which was better (fortunately, most were set the same). I got bold in group seven by tweaking the system, special sharpness, sharpness, edge enhancement and mide using a cross-hatch pattern recorded onto DVR from the old INHD test patterns for setting up HD (no longer broadcast).

The cross-hatch pattern was vital to set proper geometry (groups nine and ten). The instructions on pages 15 through 23 did not include all items so I referred to the others in both groups to fine-tweak it even more. Only other geometric items I did myself was for top, bottom, left and right blanking (group 11) to rectify overscan.

I also saw there was a general group consensus regarding the red/green corrections (group 8) and adjusted them accordingly with excellent results.

I then went into the user settings still using those INHD test patterns with blu-filter glasses. I got an even more beautiful picture on the PRO mode for both HD and 480p DVD than ever before. I then adjusted the user settings in the MOVIE mode and after a comparising the two found the whites and sharpness (with no grain) were enhanced slightly better in MOVIE so that's the mode I'm now use for all my viewing.

If you are using a blu-ray player then get a blu-ray DVD with a THX Optomizer for reference. There are too many internal test patterns and the 960's own crosshatch for geometry really didn't really work well, actually creating distortion instead of alleviating it. I also was able to get two pairs of blu-filter glasses for about $5 (including shipping) directly from the THX website.



Hope this helps,

Joe
post #6119 of 8134
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Are there any calibration settings in this 204 pager? I've been playing with picture and brightness settings in pro mode, but that's been about it.
Just in case you didn't find this in the "tweaks" thread, attached is my latest XLS which shows all of my service menu settings, for all inputs, and for all input resolutions.

As has been repeated, and can't be repeated enough, you should "write down" (or record in an XLS like this one, which you can clone and then use as your starting point for your particular XBR960) all of your existing settings for all service menu items before you start any kind of tweaking. That way at least you should be able to recover, should disaster strike or perhaps if you just want to go back to what you had before you started.

Also... someone else's settings are not necessarily right for your set, because of many factors (e.g. magnets on the picture tube). But at least you can look at some set of values, such as in my XLS, and at least try it out for yourself and then decide if it's better or worse. Having an XLS like this, with your current settings, makes it very convenient for future reference and discussions.

Finally, you absolutely must have a cross-hatch test pattern in order to adjust geometry and overscan (not to mention convergence). Various sources for these patterans exist, but I'm attaching a BMP which if you can connect your computer to your 960 you should find useful for this purpose.

Again... my geometry settings are unique to my 960, because of the "magnet job" I've had done to my set. So my service menu settings relating to geometry are obviously only really applicable to my set. But at least you can look at them for reference.

But what EVERYBODY touches is in group 2170P-4, items 7-10, to adjust color (and eliminate "red push"). These are ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL and will improve your colors dramatically. Note that a calibration DVD (with colored filter glasses) is very helpful for this job.

Also, color adjustments in the service menu complement what you've done in the user menu for color, hue, color temp, and color axis... so this is not a trivial adjustment in just one place. Lots of fingers in the pie.

Good luck.

 

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post #6120 of 8134
Hi DSperber,

Saw your above post and agree with you 100%.

Not only did proper geometry settings eliminate bowing and linear distortion but correcting the overscan enabled the picture to be sharper. Out of the box the picture just barely reached the ten percent horizontal safety lines (5% for vertical). With overscan now set to approximately 2% we are no longer missing information along the edges and the picture itself is no longer "over-stretched" which had caused the 960's resolution to appear less crisp than it should have been.

Also want to point out to Gmarceau that items 7-10 under 2107P-4 are the user settings found in the main menu and that even a slight adjustment in one (other than hue) requires re-adjusting the others.
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