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post #751 of 8134
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Originally posted by ghostrider1
My 960 arrived last Saturday. It worked perfectly. The picture is beautiful. The problem I am having is with Time Warner Cable. Most of the time the HD and premium chanels have garbage on the screen. Anyone having problems with their cable company?

Need more info....Cable Card or what? SA or Motorola?
post #752 of 8134
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Originally posted by spongebob
Amybody else getting good analog PQ only from the cable input directly into the set (using built in tuner)?

bob

I'm new to this forum, so excuse me if I screw this reply up.

I've had my 960 for several days now and have been very happy with it. This positive comments on this forum was part of the reason I bought it. The nagative comments worried me, but I took a chance anyway. I figured since I bought it locally, I could always return it.

I split the cable before tthe Motorola 6800 STB, and ran it to directly to the 960 coax in. I have COMCAST digital cable, and the TV displays the non-premium channels SDTV very well, and the HDTV channels amazing. I use the 6800 component outputs to the TV for the premium channels and for the TV Guide feature my cable provides. I plan on installing an antenna to the other coax input just for fun, and for backup in case the cable goes out.

At first I thought the STB PQ was worse than the direct cable input, but it turns out that the picture settings were diffferent for each input, and after adjusting them, the PQ is equally good from the STB. I wish I could adjust the audio output level from the STB, since the volume is lower than the direct cable feed.

In summary, I'm very happy with the XBR960. I'm thinking of getting DVE or AVIA to check my calibration and to "play" some more. I think I made the right TV choice, and thanks to all for a great forum to help me with my decision.
post #753 of 8134
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Originally posted by HDTVFanAtic
Need more info....Cable Card or what? SA or Motorola?

It is a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250HD box hooked up via YPbPr connectors. Someone suggested I ask for an amplifier. The cable company is coming to take a look later this week.
post #754 of 8134
In response to some queries, I think the the second or two it takes for the audio to come on with an analog audio feed is documented in the manual. The set checks the digital feed first, then switches to analog if it's not there.

I've got mine setup with the following inputs at the moment:
1. Regular UHF antenna (in the San Diego market all the DTV channels are UHF).

2. Cable feed (not yet HDTV) which I further split - one to the cable input on the TV, and the second to the cable box from which I use S-Video and stereo outs back to the TV.

3. YPbPr inputs from the Sony DVD HT system received with the set.

For audio, I come out of the TV with both analog stereo cables and the digital out to the Sony DAV FR9 HT system purchased with the TV.

First off I'd say that the set is a winner. If nothing else, it's a great TV.

The picture is amazing coming off the UHF antenna on HDTV signals. The level of detail and clarity is outstanding. One minor thing I've noticed switching between digital and analog signals. When there is a scene with a fair degree of luminance (brightness & contrast?) variance within the scene, the dark areas are often too dark to see on the digital image, but not on the analog. If I could bring up the dark end a bit without brightening up the whole screen (which can make the entire image too bright) that would help.

On regular 480P DTV signals vs. analog - they're just a bit different, but both look pretty good. The audio is cleaner on the digital signal - maybe more dynamic range as well. I only rarely get signal dropouts / pixelation.

When fed from the cable signal though the splitter direct to the TV, the analog signal isn't too bad either, but not quite as good as the antenna. It's a bit more "blobby". The feed off the splitter to the cable box - then back to the set though the S-Video cable it's even a bit more blobby, but for the most part it's certainly viewable.

Regardless of the input, there are occasional shows fed through one of the paths that are noticeably tougher to watch, but they are always more obscure and it seems like someone probably just blew it when recording the show.

I'm getting a cablecard installed next week so I'll make some longer term antenna decisions then after viewing the results.
post #755 of 8134
When I first turn on the KD-34XBR960 and it's cold, it won't immediately tune digital channels - though it does fine with analog. Within a minute or two, or if the set's already warm, it's fine. Does anyone else have this issue?
post #756 of 8134
Thread Starter 
souds like the problem JamisonBWolsh had. He sent his back for a new one.
post #757 of 8134
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Originally posted by bada
As we know, people with sets free of problems are not writing posts, but instead watching their new TVs in peace. I wonder though what the percentage is of defective sets?

Seems like a lot of sets out there being returned. Are you guys with lemons only 1% of the total market, or are we going to look back a year from now to the summer that Sony released the infamous 960 riddled with problems...

Well, as someone with a relatively problem free set, I guess I should speak up. As it were, I wrote something like this a while back, but do to a crappy browser, my session 'timed out', and w/o the cookies in place to save what I wrote it was all lost... needless to say, I didn't feel like trying to re-create my 1/2 hour or so of typing, so a shortened and condensed version of before.

As you may know, I bought from CC (hate the local one, they don't honor their own stuff a majority of the time and are jerks to boot--however, I love the one in SR, so I order through them and then have it shipped here to this one).

I left my tv on 24/7 (for burn in) until I left for a week. When I got back, I turned it back on again for another 36 hours straight, and at that point, had the 100+ hours necessary to have it calibrated.

Now, I'd just taken my HTiB out (an Onkyo set, that I must say I love), and connected the DVD player up that day, so I had not adjusted any of the settings. The ISF guy came out, modified my settings and with his first two changes, gave me about 40% more resolution.

Then he went through the long process of adjusting the set through the service menu, saving his changes along the way. My good set became a great set, and then finally an exceptional set. It was so completely worth it. He realigned the guns (as best he could from the service menu), made the blacks true, and the picture is the best I've ever seen. I've been re-watching movies on this new tv and seeing things I couldn't see on my old tv (granted my old tv is 10years old and only about 21")...

So... To all the people wondering if there are any good sets out there... Yeah, I've got one. I love it. I don't mind the SD content, because I'm the ultimate channel surfer, and now w/ PBP (Picture by Picture), I can watch one show, and as soon as it hits commercial, flick the knob to the right and either surf or watch that channel, and then go back as soon as the commercial is over.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask away.
Cheers,
-C
post #758 of 8134
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Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
Im a noob as well. My previous set is 12 years old! You do have agood concept. Wethor or not its true? I dont know. As for the power issue.... I turn it on in the morning when I am not using very much power at all. I dont think it is a power issue. The 1st tv set did not show any symtoms of this. Could be a bad batch?

Yeah, I going to ask if your sets always degaussed (sp?) every time. If you turned it on, and it didn't degauss and you had problems, but when you cycle it, it does degauss and the problems went away, that 'MIGHT' be an explaination of it.

The other basic questions I'd ask would be what other power sources, wiring, cables, etc. etc. things that have metal, things that have electricity, etc. etc. are near (within 5 or 10 feet) of your tv?

Where there any time differences (eg, it only took 2 seconds to warm up the first power on, but it took 10 seconds with the cycled power on?)

Total and complete shot in the dark, but who knows?!

Best of luck to you,
-C
post #759 of 8134
cad 3,

Did you have any geometry problems before getting the set calibrated, such as the vertical borders being bowed or wavy when watching standard definition channels with black borders on the side. Did calibration fix it?
post #760 of 8134
Is it bad for the set to calibrate before the 100 hrs, or just a waste of time since you would have to calibrate again after the 100 hour mark?

I cant see myself waiting 100 hrs before I start playing with everything
post #761 of 8134
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Originally posted by cad_3
Now, I'd just taken my HTiB out (an Onkyo set, that I must say I love), and connected the DVD player up that day, so I had not adjusted any of the settings. The ISF guy came out, modified my settings and with his first two changes, gave me about 40% more resolution.


How did he give you 40% more resolution?
post #762 of 8134
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Originally posted by triplex
cad 3,

Did you have any geometry problems before getting the set calibrated, such as the vertical borders being bowed or wavy when watching standard definition channels with black borders on the side. Did calibration fix it?

Not really... but I'd follow with ignorance is bliss... I didn't really know what to look for. Then it was pointed out to me by the ISF guy... and it was kinda minor. He did his best given that he can't really tweak horizontal controls... and adjusting something somewhere seems to kinda mess with something on the other side... so after a while, we kinda just settled on the middle being as close to perfect as possible, with an even offset on the edges. My only real issue is at the corners, and it's really small, you have to look pretty hard and be fairly close.

His calibration took about 1 1/2 hours or so and totally worth the $325 to me. I probably could have done what he did, but it would have taken me weeks to figure it all out, and spending 100s of hours trying to get it to his level just wasn't worth it to me. I'm really happy with his work.

Sorry to be so long winded. To answer your question, I might have had very minor geometry problems, and I still think I have some even less minor problems after his fixes. I sit back some 7-8 feet though, and I don't really seem them.
post #763 of 8134
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Originally posted by Phantastica
How did he give you 40% more resolution?


You notice how I didn't really go into detail? Yeah, that was me trying to avoid the "I was a total and complete idiot"...

I only had RCA cables, so I used my composite connection instead of my component connections... He hooked up the component on Video 5, Big improvement.

Secondly, I had not adjusted the DVD player to play in 16:9... so it was playing my widescreen dvd's as if it were a 4:3. Second huge improvement.

Now that we've established I'm a complete n00b and didn't know what the heck I was doing...
Any other questions I can try and answer?
post #764 of 8134
Hi cad_3,
Can you tell me more
Did the ISF tech use an optical compariter ?
Was the price for ALL the inputs?
Did he use an "input generator" or a DVD to do the calibration?
"Can`t do much with the horizontal problems" could you please clarify ?
Sorry to be a pest , But I`m looking at that set as well as the up-comming XS series and also thinking about the HS 30" .
It real is toooo BAD that Sony didn`t make a 30" XBR 960 . O-Well.
Hey!! Thanks for your help , and Congrats on getting a good (now great) 960 !!
Gary
post #765 of 8134
I could be wrong but I have a feeling you would have to sit 3 feet away max from a 30 set with this res to benefit
post #766 of 8134
it always takes a few seconds for the digital signal to be received, so thats normal.

as for a "30...bigger, not smaller. say it, bigger not smaller

the 960 is a great set, especially once you get used to the degauss.
post #767 of 8134
Hi Guys,
So ya` think a 30" set would be too small ?
I think about that too, but also I think about watching DVD`s and wouldn`t be about the same on a 30" as it would on a 4 X 3 --32" ?
Anyway , I always value the input you folks give !!
But , if I got the 960 , I might have to modify a few things thats why I`m think`n 30" !
Gary
post #768 of 8134
If you were to watch 16:9 material on a 40" TV it would be about 36.5" diagonal.

Get the 34". Alter your space to accomodate it. You will regret it if you dont.
To benefit from the 960's resolution you would have to sit way closer than you will be to appreciate it.
post #769 of 8134
Hi bada,
Good point ^
I guess it looks like I`ll have a while to think about it , doesn`t look like Sony is rushing to bring out the XS series and I realy want to have a look at them before I completly lose my mind ! LOL
Gary
post #770 of 8134
OK....the analog audio issue from through Input 7 (HDMI) is quasi solved. At this point, I believe its an issue with the other component and its DVI output putting something out that the Sony doesn't like. Thus the Sony thinks its getting digital audio from the HDMI input and not switching to analog. I can plug my DVI connector into the SA3250HD STB and it does run the analog audio.

So at this point, I am looking at the other equipment on this part of the puzzle.

However, this does concern me as there is no way to force the analog audio....and no telling what other DVI outputs will have the same issue.
post #771 of 8134
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Originally posted by ghostrider1
It is a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250HD box hooked up via YPbPr connectors. Someone suggested I ask for an amplifier. The cable company is coming to take a look later this week.

Well, that would most likely be the STB. I expected you were talking about the set's own tuner, but that's not the case.

Did your old set have the problem?

Most likely its a signal problem which either balancing the lines to your house or an amp will help.

Use the diagnostic screens on the SA3250HD to check the signal and S/N on your HDTV channels and what QAM frequency TWC has them on.

If you are hitting the low 30's S/N, you've got trouble - as discussed earlier in the thread. If the signal is varying or -7dbm or lower, the box will begin to hickup. Go below -10dbm and you'll get the effects you are describing.
post #772 of 8134
the diagnostic is a nice feature

so far i have not used analog, but ive used hdmi to dvi, s-video, and component with no problems.
post #773 of 8134
I believe they may have recalled the XBR960. If not they have clearly halted production on them. Read my thread for more info.
post #774 of 8134
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I believe they may have recalled the XBR960. If not they have clearly halted production on them. Read my thread for more info.

While it is true there have been some problems with some sets (including my first one that I returned) and there seems to be a supply problem with some stores, it seems to me a little hasty to say that they have recalled it or have "clearly halted production." Another explanation could be that demand is exceeding supply. If anyone has any proof of a production halt, I would be interested in hearing more.
post #775 of 8134
I agree with RJB. Launch of a new product can make a mess of deliveries, especially if demand exceeds supply. And I'm still not convinced that the "problems" being discussed are so widespread as to prompt a recall or even production halt. My guess is that there are many more satisfied 960 customers than problems.

I also hesitated before buying my 960, but then I remembered that my last 27" Sony also had a problem when I got it several years ago, and had to return it for a new one.

Buying locally and getting the extended warranty are my rules when I want to purchase a new, complicated device. As an alternative, one can always wait until the dust settles to take the plunge. But for me, I wanted to see the Olympics in HD, so I went for it.

Bob
post #776 of 8134
If there is a recall or a production stop then I'm glad I already got my 960 because I love it and it is working fine.
post #777 of 8134
Well, I ordered my through the Sony Family Store in June and they told me six weeks for delivery. Granted it has only been five weeks.

I am still waiting

I was hoping to watch the Summer Olympics in HD...
post #778 of 8134
I think it is irresponsible to post about a phantom recall. Even if there was a problem with the set, Sony wouldn't recall them. If you have researched the Grand Wega LCD rear projections, a lot of people had problems with the bulbs burning out after only a couple of hours. Sony replaced the bulbs under warranty. So if history repeats itself Sony would only fix TVs that are defective.
post #779 of 8134
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Originally posted by RJB in Phila
While it is true there have been some problems with some sets (including my first one that I returned) and there seems to be a supply problem with some stores, it seems to me a little hasty to say that they have recalled it or have "clearly halted production." Another explanation could be that demand is exceeding supply. If anyone has any proof of a production halt, I would be interested in hearing more.

The Tweeter stores in Florida alone have well over 40 in the warehouse - they will gladly sell anyone a set I bet.

So I don't know who thinks there are supply problems.
post #780 of 8134
Mine arrived at the local warehouse here in Syracuse today. The delivery company left a message to schedule a delivery next week. This set was ordered directly from SonyStyle two weeks ago. If there is a recall someone needs to tell Sony.
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