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I'm posting the entire text of the following article because it is from a site (www.keepmedia.com) that offers a 7 day free trial. I won't be able to access it after that point. The last portion of the article is actually a table, but it just looks like fairly random data here.

Until I get updated info on any of the other networks, this is the data (from 3/22/04) I'll use for comparison purposes.

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Over-Air TV Networks Expanding 5.1 Content


by Joseph Palenchar | Mar 22 '04


NEW YORK— Households that do not subscribe to digital cable or satellite-TV services are viewing HD content through a growing number of local HDTV stations, many of which deliver 5.1-channel surround.

By February 2004, the majority of local full-power commercial and public TV stations were broadcasting digital TV (DTV) signals in either SD or HD resolution, the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) said. Out of 1,730 stations, the number of local TV stations that made the digital transition hit 1,155 in 203 markets in early February 2004, up from only 768 stations in 184 markets in February 2003, NAB said.

These stations deliver SD or HD video in markets accounting for more than 99 percent of the country's more than 106 million TV households. More than 84 percent of those households could watch DTV broadcasts from five or more stations, NAB said.

The NAB said it believes the majority of DTV stations are delivering HD video, and Dolby Labs believes the number of DTV stations delivering 5.1 exceeded 150 in February 2004, up from only 90 of 177 DTV stations in early 2001.

These stations are getting more 5.1 content from their network parents, TWICE found.

Here's what the TV networks are offering in HD 5.1:

ABC: ABC began delivering all of its HD programs in 5.1 in the 2001-2002 season, and in the 2003-2004 season, it broadcast more than 800 hours of HD 5.1 programs. They include all scripted primetime comedies and dramas, theatrical movies and Monday Night Football. In primetime, ABC broadcasts 17 hours per week in HD 5.1 to its affiliates.

Only 50 of ABC's 112 HDTV affiliates, however, were delivering 5.1 to viewers as of November 2003. At that time, none of its 28 SD affiliates delivered 5.1.

CBS: CBS added 5.1 soundtracks to select HD programs for the first time in 2003 and probably will deliver 5.1 in its primetime HD programs during the 2004-2005 season, CBS engineering VP Robert Seidel told TWICE. In 2003, CBS's 5.1 programs included the Grammy Awards, college basketball and football, the U.S. Open and select pro football games, including the 2004 Super Bowl. Other HD programs are delivered in Dolby Surround.

"To add 5.1 to other shows, we must make equipment conversions at our playback facilities and our editing facilities, where we format and edit series and movies," Seidel explained.

By early 2004, almost half of CBS's 175 DTV affiliates passed 5.1-channel soundtracks through to their viewers, Seidel said.

CBS has a total of 382 affiliates. Of those, 24 deliver SD video, and 151 deliver HD. Of the HD stations, 84 deliver 5.1. None of the SD stations deliver 5.1.

Fox: For the 2005-2005 season, the network plans a dramatic increase in the amount of 5.1-channel programming, and it will deliver 720p HD video for the first time, having previously delivered programs only in 480p.

At least half of the network's schedule will be HD, with the rest in SD, a spokesman said. "Just about everything [in HD and SD] will be in 5.1."

Among Fox's 197 affiliates, about 150 to 160 were delivering Fox's 480p signal in early 2004. All will be 5.1 HD-capable in time for Fox's HD launch, the spokesman said.

The network launched 5.1 with select 480p programs in the 2002-2003 season following its 5.1-channel broadcast of the 2002 Super Bowl. In the 2003-2004 season, it delivered two NFL games per week and all NASCAR races in SD 5.1.

NBC: The network is testing 5.1 infrastructure to determine the feasibility of offering scripted series, movies and other programs regularly in 5.1, but the company offered no time frame for completing the tests or rolling out 5.1 if the tests are successful.

The network, which normally delivers HD content in Dolby Surround, broadcast the 2002 Winter Olympics in HD 5.1 and is currently working out the technical details to deliver the 2004 Summer Games in HD 5.1.

In the meantime, the network has been expanding its HD programming schedule, increasing the number of HD hours to 14.5 per week in the 2003-2004 season from 9.5 hours during the prior season. The programs include scripted shows and select theatrical releases. Unscripted shows are in SD. The mix of HD and SD programs will likely continue into the 2004-2005 season with possible exceptions, the company said.

By February 2004, 115 of NBC's 231 affiliates were rebroadcasting NBC's HDTV signal, and some of those stations were equipped to pass through a 5.1 soundtrack, the network said, citing an early-February survey of its affiliates. In that survey, 33 of 56 responding stations were 5.1-capable, NBC said. Another 21 said they would consider upgrading to 5.1 on the future.

PBS: The public network cites budget constraints for delivering only a handful of HD programs in 5.1. Of its 340 affiliates, 233 made the transition to HD as of February 2004, and all are capable of passing through 5.1.

UPN: CBS's sister network, UPN, launched HD service in the 2003-2004 season, although it still isn't delivering 5.1. Out of UPN's 88 DTV affiliates, 24 delivered HD. UPN executive Paul Hewitt believes all of the HD affiliates are equipped to deliver 5.1.

UPN is delivering 20 percent to 40 percent of its weekly programming in HD, but "this is just the beginning," Hewitt said. UPN is on the air five nights per week from 8 to10 p.m.

WB: The WB network, which launched HD in the 2002-2003 season, is targeting the 2004-2005 season for delivering some HD broadcasts in 5.1 and Dolby Surround, said senior technology VP Hal Protter. The network delivered 9.5 hours of HD programming per week in the 2003-2004 season.

In early 2004, about half of the network's approximately 100 affiliates delivered HD, but none were delivering 5.1 or Dolby Surround. However, for the 2004-2005 season, 50 HD affiliates might deliver 5.1, the network said.

Another 20 affiliates delivered SD programming in early 2004 and will continue to do so in the 2004-2005 season. These stations aren't delivering Dolby Surround or 5.1 and aren't expected to do so until they convert to HD.

**EDIT** - Formatting of below data.

Who's Delivering Over-Air HDTV In 5.1 Dolby Digital Network

ABC
HD Surround Format:All HD programming delivered in 5.1 (17 hours per week)
No. of Affiliates : 220
No. of HD Affiliates: 112
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates: 50


CBS
HD Surround Format: Dolby Surround. Select HD specials, sports, live events in 5.1.
No. of Affiliates : 382
No. of HD Affiliates: 151
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates: 84


Fox
HD Surround Format:150-160 affiliates deliver SD and will be HD-capable in '04-05 season. All HD affiliates will deliver 5.1 in '04-05 season.
No. of Affiliates : 197
No. of HD Affiliates:
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates:

NBC
HD Surround Format: Dolby Surround.('04 Summer Olympics might be in 5.1)
No. of Affiliates : 231
No. of HD Affiliates: 115 EDIT 6/9- 124 per Olympics press release
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates: 33

PBS
HD Surround Format: Handful of programs in 5.1
No. of Affiliates : 340
No. of HD Affiliates: 233
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates: 233

UPN
HD Surround Format: Stereo, Dolby Surround
No. of Affiliates : N/A
No. of HD Affiliates: 24
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates: 24 (est.)

The WB
HD Surround Format: Dolby Surround & 5.1 targeted in '04-'05 season
No. of Affiliates : About 100
No. of HD Affiliates: About 50
No. of HD 5.1 Affiliates: 0
post #122 of 1537
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You must live within a block of WITI. I'm in Tosa and there is zero digital signal coming from WITI. It's good to read that foxeng is stating they'll be ready for the fall HDTV season but when on earth are they going to power up that signal for the rest of us? Will that be ready for the fall season too?
Nope, Menomonee Falls ...

For more specific discussion regarding WITI (and their pending antenna move) please visit MilwaukeeHDTV.

Thanks.
post #123 of 1537
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Originally posted by CPanther95
Network Ranking (% of Affiliates)
HDTV[list=1][*]PBS - 68.5 %[*]ABC - 50.9 %[*]NBC - 49.8 %[*]CBS - 39.5 %[*]FOX - 3.6 % (Fall 2004)
[/list=1]

Network Ranking (% of Affiliates)
HDTV & DD 5.1[list=1][*]PBS - 68.5 %[*]ABC - 22.7 %[*]CBS - 22.0 %[*]NBC - 14.3 %[*]FOX - 3.6 % (Fall 2004)
[/list=1] [/b]
These are the rankings added to the first post.
post #124 of 1537
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Originally posted by Socio
The second channel is for the national feed i.e prime time shows and sporting events it is 16:9 ED. Try tuning in during prime time, I watch Arrested Development. Malcolm in the Middle, Simpson's and others all the time on that channel not to mention a majority of the Cowboys games last year. I sure hope they get the 720P upgrade before the upcoming football season.
I've been checking over the last 2 weeks and seen zip... then again, I have a Samsung 360 box :( . I'll try again this week, but methinks I need to push DTV on this one.

BTW.. you seen anything on KCOS? I can't even get a lock on for the digital channel (if it's broadcasting)
post #125 of 1537
The latest on Minneapolis/St. Paul:

"In preparation for the FOX Network move to 720p, KMSP Fox 9 will be up-converting local origination to 720p beginning May 26, 2004. On Tuesday June 1, 2004, we will begin to install the necessary equipment to pass the 720p signal and seamlessly switch between network and locally up-converted material. We anticipate that the installation will take two or three days and will at times during the daytime hours interrupt the DTV feed on Channel 26 (both SD and HD streams). It is our plan to always have primetime up in 720p locally up-converted during the installation process. Once installed and tested we will then place the system in bypass mode to pass the 480p as available from FOX until August when Fox is planning to begin to feed 720p programming. We will continue to test in June and July the switching between HD and local up-conversion. We have several modes of operation we need to have functional. One in particular is the severe weather warning crawls during prime-time and passing weather crawls on the HD feed. The process should go smooth and will result in a better signal for KMSP-HD. "
post #126 of 1537
I just spoke to the engineer at KRIV in Houston, the station has the splicer installed and is waiting for FOX network to start broadcasting in HD.

So, KRIV should be changed to HD on the first post.

-phil
post #127 of 1537
WXIN-DT, Indianapolis

I found out that Tribune's WXIN-DT 45 does have the FOX splicer equipment but at the moment I do not know whether it has been installed. The last I checked, the station was still sending 480p. Knowing the track record of this station, I'm sure that things will be up and running in time for the debut of FOX-HD.

BTW, this station has plenty of power with 700kW @ 935 feet.

Steve
post #128 of 1537
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Originally posted by AcadNut
Nope, Menomonee Falls ...

For more specific discussion regarding WITI (and their pending antenna move) please visit MilwaukeeHDTV.

Thanks.
From your link: WITI-DT is suppose to be on the air and covering all of Southeastern Wisconsin by this weekend of June 11-13th.

That's good to know but what times are you receiving their digital signal now? I haven't gotten the signal and I'm closer to their station than you. What time of the day is best to try again? BTW, I'm already aware of that forum and it doesn't have enough traffic to hold my interest. It's the same 8-10 people posting over and over. :(
post #129 of 1537
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I'm already aware of that forum and it doesn't have enough traffic to hold my interest. It's the same 8-10 people posting over and over.
... guess we can't please everyone. There is valuable information there, however.

Specifically, if you check this thread, you'd see that as of yesterday afternoon, the digital transmitter was down in preparation for the antenna move.

Prior to that, an antenna rotation was required to receive 6-1, basically pointing due east worked for me, any time of day or night.
post #130 of 1537
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Originally posted by Ken H
FOX has committed to have all digital network affiliates HD capable by this fall, in time for the NFL season to start. Of course there will probably be a few scattered exceptions.
Ken, when you say they have committed to have all digital network affiliates HD capable, just what does that mean? I have been badgering our Fox affiliate in the Quad-Cities (KLJB in Davenport, IA) for months on whether they will EVER go HD. They trumpet the fact that they are digital and even have an HD info page on their Web site, but I NEVER get responses to my e-mails, letters, etc., asking if and when they will go HD. Do you have any insight into this mess?
post #131 of 1537
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Originally posted by bierboy
Ken, when you say they have committed to have all digital network affiliates HD capable, just what does that mean? I have been badgering our Fox affiliate in the Quad-Cities (KLJB in Davenport, IA) for months on whether they will EVER go HD. They trumpet the fact that they are digital and even have an HD info page on their Web site, but I NEVER get responses to my e-mails, letters, etc., asking if and when they will go HD. Do you have any insight into this mess?
FOX is committed to upgrade all affiliates. Their commitment goes beyond lip-service...they are funding the upgrade necessary for HD for ALL affiliates. But if the local affiliate refuses to "prep" their station for the splicer that FOX will provide, there's not a lot FOX can do to force them to comply until their contract comes up.

Keep in mind that the lack of response does not really mean bad news. If we get well into the summer and they are still not sending 720p, then I'd start to worry.
post #132 of 1537
How do I determine if they're sending 720p? My STB (Sammy 151) doesn't indicate that.
post #133 of 1537
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Not sure - I can tell because my TV (Hitachi XWX) posts the resolution in the upperleft whenever it changes.
post #134 of 1537
Ah, I have a Hitachi, too (51UWX20B). I just don't pay attention to that any more. I'll have to check. Thanks.
post #135 of 1537
Does anyone know if any of the NEXSTAR stations that are FOX will be getting the splicer and upconverting? Examples of NEXSTAR stations are in Erie and Scranton Pa.
post #136 of 1537
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Originally posted by Londo
I've been checking over the last 2 weeks and seen zip... then again, I have a Samsung 360 box :( . I'll try again this week, but methinks I need to push DTV on this one.

BTW.. you seen anything on KCOS? I can't even get a lock on for the digital channel (if it's broadcasting)
I get it FOX ED on 15-2 FOX SD on 15-1, I also get NBC on 9 , ABC on 7, CBS on 4 and two other channels, 25 & 51 but neither of them come in well enough to watch and no KCOS which I believe is supposed to be channel 30 for their digital broadcast .
post #137 of 1537
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I'm already aware of that forum and it doesn't have enough traffic to hold my interest. It's the same 8-10 people posting over and over.
At least you have such a forum. I would be ecstatic if such a forum was created for Madison, WI!

-Chad (lonely HD fan from Madison) :(
post #138 of 1537
Cpanther, I posed a question to the engineer over in our local thread re: splicer. Hopefully he will respond soon.
post #139 of 1537
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Originally posted by Socio
I get it FOX ED on 15-2 FOX SD on 15-1,
well, that's interesting.. I get FOX SD on 15-2 and the blank screen on 14-1? Definately methinks I need to be rid of this Samsung..

(aside, I get 25-1 and 52-1 VERY STRONG, all SD however, I'm on the east side)

ADDENDUM: as of about 10 minutes ago (3:40p mountain), I'm not getting either of the FOX channels.... hmmm.. things happening??
post #140 of 1537
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Originally posted by bierboy
How do I determine if they're sending 720p? My STB (Sammy 151) doesn't indicate that.
Push the Info button on the remote for your Sammy 151 while tuned to that channel. If the information box includes the designation "HD" then they are transmitting either 720p or 1080i (and you know it isn't the latter).
post #141 of 1537
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Originally posted by AFH
Cpanther, I posed a question to the engineer over in our local thread re: splicer. Hopefully he will respond soon.
I saw that while snooping over in the JAX thread earlier. I saw the C.E. explaining how it's just as expensive for JAX stations to upgrade as NYC, but the ROI is much longer in such a small market but then you see some of the smaller markets on this list. Apparently he does not control the station's purse strings like most engineers do. :D

Somebody at that station will come up with the cash before the NFL kicks in this fall, or there'll be hell to pay. Did I read his post wrong or is your CBS (same company) also not in HD?
post #142 of 1537
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Originally posted by CPanther95
I saw that while snooping over in the JAX thread earlier. I saw the C.E. explaining how it's just as expensive for JAX stations to upgrade as NYC, but the ROI is much longer in such a small market but then you see some of the smaller markets on this list. Apparently he does not control the station's purse strings like most engineers do. :D

Somebody at that station will come up with the cash before the NFL kicks in this fall, or there'll be hell to pay. Did I read his post wrong or is your CBS (same company) also not in HD?
What you were reading was the issue about how the 5.1 will come through the splicer Fox supplies. Fox Eng even chimed in on that issue. I think our engineer understood what we were saying.

You don't know this but the CBS and Fox affil here are owned by Clear Channel. They operate out of the same building. In the summer of 2002 the prior CBS affil here was owned by the Washington Post company, but they decided that CBS wanted too much money from them so CC decided to get the CBS affil rights. CC already had the FOX affil. When the Washington Post company had our CBS affil they had hd in place since the Masters was shown in 2002. The new CBS affil now owned by CC brought hd online in Nov of 2002. Now the former CBS affil is an indy station with hd equipment and but no hd to show.

The Fox affil has been showing WS screen for a while. So in total, the CBS affil shows hd and the Fox affil shows WS but they do not do 5.1 and that is what the engineer was referring to.

As you know, CC has plenty of cash and they have been using it pretty well around here.
post #143 of 1537
Cpanther, this is OT, but do you know what the feeling is in the Charlotte community as to the city's chance of landing the ACC football championship game vs. Jacksonville landing it? From what I am hearing locally and reading nationally, people (sports writers) tend to think Jacksonville is the hands-down choice. I think this also but I may be biased.

I read a article in the Observer written by Tom Sorensen on the 14th of May. He seems to think that Charlotte has a good opportunity and one of the reasons he mentioned that is b/c as he says "Charlotte is not Jacksonville". I guess he forgot about the good weather, stadium revenue, facilities, ACC bowl relationship with Jacksonville, the opportunity that people would use the trip to Jacksonville as a good vacation in earlier Dec, experience hosting large events (Super Bowl) and very good nightlife opportunities so that players can get arrested for going to clubs and upscale lounges on the beaches and getting into fights like the Notre Dame football player did during the Gator Bowl two years ago. :D

If he means that Charlotte isnt' Jacksonville based on the things I mentioned above I guess he is correct, but that doesn't help Charlotte's case. Anyway, I look forward to it being here as I am a Florida State fan, alum and resident of this great city.
post #144 of 1537
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I think the biggest plus for Charlotte is it's geography. It's pretty much in the center of the ACC area. The NEXT biggest plus is "It's not Jacksonville" :D
post #145 of 1537
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Originally posted by oxothuk
Push the Info button on the remote for your Sammy 151 while tuned to that channel. If the information box includes the designation "HD" then they are transmitting either 720p or 1080i (and you know it isn't the latter).
Bummer...it's SD. But thanks for the help.
post #146 of 1537
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Originally posted by CPanther95
I think the biggest plus for Charlotte is it's geography. It's pretty much in the center of the ACC area. The NEXT biggest plus is "It's not Jacksonville" :D
C, I actually think that line is funny. There is always tomorrow Charlotte. No harm in hoping that it will be like J'ville one day.;) I just want to tell the good folks of Charlotte good luck in doing that. We'll be more than happy to export some of our beautiful women, weather and nightlife and beaches up that way to help Charlotte on its way to become more like Jacksonville, but it will be tough trying to pull that off. :)
post #147 of 1537
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We prefer our woman with teeth and a lot less flannel. :D
post #148 of 1537
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Originally posted by CPanther95
We prefer our woman with teeth and a lot less flannel. :D

:D . We'll leave those girls here in their Meth labs. You know the Meth labs that they always show on Cops when someone is getting busted in the Everglades or the woods. I'll just send the ones that wear the thongs on the beaches. :p
post #149 of 1537
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Originally posted by Londo
well, that's interesting.. I get FOX SD on 15-2 and the blank screen on 14-1? Definately methinks I need to be rid of this Samsung..

(aside, I get 25-1 and 52-1 VERY STRONG, all SD however, I'm on the east side)

ADDENDUM: as of about 10 minutes ago (3:40p mountain), I'm not getting either of the FOX channels.... hmmm.. things happening??
I am not getting either Fox channel right now, perhaps that is a good thing, it could possibly mean they are getting the system ready for 720P!

I do find it strange that your Samsung and My LG 3100A find different FOX channels. I am getting Voom installed next Tuesday, it will be interesting to see what the Voom box OTA sees for FOX channels.

Also I am on the west side which is probably why I don't get 25-1 and 52-1 very well.
post #150 of 1537
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Originally posted by Socio
I am not getting either Fox channel right now, perhaps that is a good thing,
Not exactly the attitude FOX is shooting for :D
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