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post #2101 of 2162
Granite Broadcasting stock price:

http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/stock-price/?symbol=GRRP

That's right...it is literally a penny stock. They are barely hanging on.
post #2102 of 2162
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Granite Broadcasting stock price:

http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/stock-price/?symbol=GRRP

That's right...it is literally a penny stock. They are barely hanging on.

Granite's stock has been "worthless" for years, ever since they went bankrupt. The company that now owns them is private, so any stock quote of their old symbol is meaningless
post #2103 of 2162
Ahhh, good to know. Either way, that still proves my point: they're financially not doing well, and they're milking the old SD equipment for all it is worth.
post #2104 of 2162
And yet Mark DeSantis tried to feed to me that Granite was a strong & healthy company that has re-emerged. He tried to make me look like an idiot who didn't know who he was talking about. He made me sound like a liar when I told him of all the other stations that are now broadcasting in HD. Accusing me of not knowing anything about broadcasting and "not to believe anything I read on the internet". Well...granite is obviously carrying a huge debt. This has been posted on various reliable sources. He was also very rude before I posted links to cut him to the quick, than he changed his tune. He also went as far as to post under aliases "Jimmy Juice" to make me look singled out. I eventually deleted the entire exchange. But don't tell me Granite is doing STRONG when they look like they do. And please hold the smokescreen tactics or I'll pull out the facts. LOL He also basically told me that they're #1 so why change anything. My question is why do so few people like them on Facebook. Even the Quincy stations each have 3X the likes of WEEK. We're talking 20K compared to 6K.

Of course, Young Broadcasting, owners of KWQC, had to file for bankruptcy as well, soon after Granite. Yet for some reason, many of their stations, including KWQC, upgraded to HD newscasts during and after the bankruptcy. I'm curious as to where WHBF, the poor stepchild of the QC, got their money to totally overhaul their station to have a technical edge over both of their competitors. It appears that all of that owner's stations have over went the same overnight transition.

As far as I'm concerned. Instead of continuing to ruin it's stations, Granite needs to swallow their pride and just sell to a healthier company like Gray Television, which would do the station a LOT of good. If only they didn't put WHOI back up for sale, WHOI would be superior to what we have now. Lack of HD newscasts aren't WEEK's only problem. Their set 1996 set hangs a nasty eyesore & their hubbing efforts don't work nearly as smoothly as other hubs. Even Sinclair & Nexstar have smoother-operating hubs. And due to their constant want to farm various positions of the newscasts out, and their lack of concern about their set, it is obvious to me they are eventually banking on becoming a shell like WHOI, and have all their material brought to us from Ft. Wayne.

Nexstar, on the other hand, is doing GREAT right now. Though they are still big corporate bean counters, they tend to manage things much better than Granite has, before and after they feel under control of Silver Point. But when it comes to HD newscasts, I can't figure out, for the life of me, why WMBD is among the smaller half of the remaining Nexstar stations to produce newscasts in HD. I mean, their UP of Michigan station is there, as well as their Joplin MO station. All I can think of is perhaps they want to tear out their set when they get ready to debut new equipment. And since they just remodeled a few years ago, perhaps they're wanting to wait a few more years. Or maybe they're considering robotic cameras and/or hubbing in the future. I think it may also be because they know they'll always be #2 behind WEEK no matter how bad WEEK gets and no matter what WMBD does to try to change things. There's just no competition in Peoria.

Nevertheless, I prefer to watch WMBD if I have to watch one or the other. Nexstar is a bit worse as they have a policy not to respond to technical question, and they will delete online posts as a way to keep their other viewers in the dark. Aside from occasional transmitter problems, they're just managed better.

I was spot-on with my immediate speculation that WYZZ would be transferred to Cunningham Broadasting, a shell of Sinclar. I'm just hoping their 9:00 newscasts to be produced by WMBD. It would suck if WEEK/Granite ran all of it's competitors except one. Surely not.
post #2105 of 2162
Didn't bother reading the whole rant, but...

Perhaps it is recovering quite well, I don't know and don't particularly care as I have no horse in the race. What I do know is that no useful information can be gleaned from the stock price of a stock that was delisted years ago as a result of bankruptcy. Any attempt to divine current performance or value of an operating company from such out of date information isn't useful, so don't take my previous remarks in anything of that context.
Edited by ProjectSHO89 - 5/2/13 at 3:48pm
post #2106 of 2162
And there you go. I'm guessing just that on WMBD: They just remodeled, and that set has scratches and dings in it...that would show very nicely in HD. The ABC and FOX stations here up in Rockford, Il went HD last week, so now all 4 networks have HD newscasts.
post #2107 of 2162
All of them in Rockford, All of them in the QC, All of them in Springfield, one of 2 in Quincy, but none in Peoria. Peoria news tv news operations are technologically pathetic no matter how we slice it. I'm just thankful I have the QC stations to watch over here and the Springfield stations to watch when I'm back in Glasford.

And if Nexstar or Granite think I'm the only one complaining, I'm not. My father refuses to watch WEEK due to their aging set and I've seen countless people complain about the 4:3 on WMBD. It's annoying on widescreen sets, especially ones that can't stretch. I keep thinking they can't be far off from making a change. But I've also been thinking that for 3 years. I didn't know that WTVO also went until you just pointed it out. WOW! I was beginning to wonder about them. Well with Nexstar's WCIA & WTVO there, perhaps WMBD will follow soon. Either way, if that is there plan, than they should say as much. But I'm not holding my breath.

Again, the Rockford DMA is slightly smaller than Peoria and no better when it comes to $$$. Yet it's all - zip when you compare them to Peoria TV. It's obvious the Peoria stations are "lagging", now perhaps behind 80% of all the other DMA. I dare somebody to find me a DMA of Peoria's size or larger that still has 0 newscasts broadcasting in HD.
Edited by Jokinjer1 - 5/2/13 at 7:10pm
post #2108 of 2162
I didn't mean anything personal toward you. And I agree for the most part.

Rather, I'm positive that Mark is making Granite out to be this awesome force for the TV world to reckon with. When in reality, they're fairly week & are still trying to pay down $500 million in debt over the next 2 decades. If they have recovered like he says they have, than they should not be cutting corners like they are now nor should they have fought with AFTRA like they did. Either way, Silver Point reeks of pure greed.

I've Aspergers, so that's a partial reason why I care. I can be picky over some of the smaller details.

And btw, thanks for showing me their stock. There appears to be more value in a silent Super 8 movie camera.
Edited by Jokinjer1 - 5/2/13 at 9:33pm
post #2109 of 2162
The Nexstar stations in Green Bay (WFRV) and the U.P. Michigan (WJMN) converted to HD under their old owners; Liberty Media. I believe Nexstar took control of the stations a couple weeks after the stations made the upgrades. As stated already, Nexstar stations in Rockford (WTVO/WQRF) just went HD last week, but they had their new news set/graphics as well as the "Eyewitness News" branding a few months ago.
post #2110 of 2162
Thanks for the info. I know the Green Bay station was changing ownership, but I knew it still wasn't in HD on day one of it's sale because I remember somebody complaining about the Green Bay dma not having an HD newscast, but they were hoping for changes under Nexstar. Than when I checked a year later, it was in HD. So it may have happened just days or weeks after I first checked. Well, at least Green Bay has one now.

I'm not sure how many newscast Nexstar has upgraded to HD under their own management, but I know they did their first one in 2011 and they've been fairly aggressive since, with only a handful left. Now both of WMBD's sister stations in adjacent markets have made the upgrade - with WCIA in Champaign going last September & WTVO last week. I'm stunned that WMBD is one of their last yet to go HD with their newscast.

I do, however, know that Granite has only upgraded one newscast to HD under their own ownership. WMBD will beat WEEK to an HD newscast, I just don't know when it's going to be, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. Nexstar hasn't been the best owner, but they're making money hands over fist right now, and I have a lot more faith in them than Granite. At least Nexstar & Sinclair have a "tried and true" formula whereas Granite keeps making radical and bad decisions under the ownership of Silver Point. What they did to WEEK is a prime example. They may have kept the #1 slot here in Peoria, but they lost their rank in many other markets where they did this, especially in Ft. Wayne.
post #2111 of 2162
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Originally Posted by Jokinjer1 View Post

I'm curious as to where WHBF, the poor stepchild of the QC, got their money to totally overhaul their station to have a technical edge over both of their c
ompetitors. It appears that all of that owner's stations have over went the same overnight transition.

I think you are right in this regard, because when Citadel Communications, WHBF's owner, bought WLNE-TV in Providence, RI, they set about upgrading that station in many ways. You can read about that station's mostly not-so-good past at: http://menujoy.com/wtev/

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLNE-TV
post #2112 of 2162
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Originally Posted by Jokinjer1 View Post

I didn't mean anything personal toward you. And I agree for the most part.

Rather, I'm positive that Mark is making Granite out to be this awesome force for the TV world to reckon with. When in reality, they're fairly week & are still trying to pay down $500 million in debt over the next 2 decades. If they have recovered like he says they have, than they should not be cutting corners like they are now nor should they have fought with AFTRA like they did. Either way, Silver Point reeks of pure greed.

I've Aspergers, so that's a partial reason why I care. I can be picky over some of the smaller details.

And btw, thanks for showing me their stock. There appears to be more value in a silent Super 8 movie camera.

LOL! Nothing personal. You make a good point that caused me to think about this a little more. Frequently (but far from always), when one station in the
market goes HD, the others try to get there ASAP. In Rockford, WIFR went HD first, but actually, they had HD in-studio, but SD widescreen for live remotes
and news story playback. To their credit, great credit, they used "digital widescreen" until their news cameras and their live truck went HD.

I have no doubt money is an issue, but they really need to get on the ball, as you said. It's 2013, going on 2014. Heck, I would submit to you that 720p/1080i is becoming "standard definition". Either way, when your iPhone is 1080p and you are 480i...
post #2113 of 2162
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And btw, thanks for showing me their stock.


As I pointed out in post #2105, they went through bankruptcy 6-7 years which wiped out any value of the old stock. Any attempt to use it for current valuation or performance is useless as the only value of their stock today is for a wall decoration. Why keep going back and kicking that dead horse?
post #2114 of 2162
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

As I pointed out in post #2105, they went through bankruptcy 6-7 years which wiped out any value of the old stock. Any attempt to use it for current valuation or performance is useless as the only value of their stock today is for a wall decoration. Why keep going back and kicking that dead horse?
Is that true for all broadcasters that go through bankruptcy, like Tribune for example?
post #2115 of 2162
Except under unusual circumstances, holders of common stock of any publicly traded company are always wiped out in a bankruptcy.

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06/bankruptpublicfirm.asp
post #2116 of 2162
"Why keep going back and kicking that dead horse?"

Because, really, I feel that Granite should have put themselves up for sale to a more competent company rather than to stumble on to totally kill their stations. Stupid decisions, including the KRON fiasco, is what led to their bankruptcy in the first place. I'm reminded of the Dark Crystal when the Skeksis used the crystal to drain various being of their living essence. KRON also led to Young Broadcasting's bankruptcy, yet you don't see their stations managed nearly as bad as Granite. Young does very well for a dead horse. Granite is $470 million in debt they are confident they will repay in 20 years, what's $495 billion after adding $25 million to finish converting their newscasts to HD? Also, I have reason to believe Granite will eventually farm most of WEEK's news operation to their Ft. Wayne hub. From what I understand, their ablity to broadcast syndicated programming in HD is mainly due to upgrades made at the hub, rather than any upgrade being made at WEEK, which is becoming a shell in itself. Again, why sit and watch this happen when they could have sold themselves out to a better company like Citadel or Gray?
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

LOL! Nothing personal. You make a good point that caused me to think about this a little more. Frequently (but far from always), when one station in the
market goes HD, the others try to get there ASAP. In Rockford, WIFR went HD first, but actually, they had HD in-studio, but SD widescreen for live remotes
and news story playback. To their credit, great credit, they used "digital widescreen" until their news cameras and their live truck went HD.

I have no doubt money is an issue, but they really need to get on the ball, as you said. It's 2013, going on 2014. Heck, I would submit to you that 720p/1080i is becoming "standard definition". Either way, when your iPhone is 1080p and you are 480i...

You're right. But there's obviously a standoff here in Peoria. It just proves the common theory theory that Peoria is seriously lacking in compeition. If only Gray would have kept WHOI instead of putting them back up for sale, than they would have been totally overhauled by now and their newscasts would have been in HD by 2010, just like all their Gray-operated stations. And this would have put pressure on Nexstar & possibly Granite to follow suit. And unfortunately, stations don't broadcast in 1080p "Full HD" as of yet. But 480i 4:3 is just tacky this late in the game. WEEK claims to be in 480p widescreen, but all I can see is 480i. Or it would look as good as a progressive scan DVD player.
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Originally Posted by mbclev View Post

I think you are right in this regard, because when Citadel Communications, WHBF's owner, bought WLNE-TV in Providence, RI, they set about upgrading that station in many ways. You can read about that station's mostly not-so-good past at: http://menujoy.com/wtev/

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLNE-TV

Yes, Citadel has really made major and unprecedented investments in all 6 of their stations over such a short period of time. If only they could have came along and bought WHOI. Instead, here in Peoria, our station owners, contrary to investing, like to take the easy way out. Barrington, who never should have been allowed to form in the first place since they were comprised of some of the very same people who ran Benedek into Bankruptcy just one year earlier, decided it was cheaper just to hand WHOI's entire operations over to Granite, hence virtually eliminating perfect competition in the Peoria Market. With 2 operators gobbling up all the sales, you'd think Peoria news stations would be on Par with Quincy's 2 news operations, but they're not.

What saddens me is it appears the Peoria stations play a smaller role in their DMA than what is normal. One has to wonder if they'd be taken more seriously if they were fresher. The Springfield and QC stations still seem to be taken rather seriously. So perhaps a lot of Peorians know they're getting a subpar product. It's obvious if they see a newscast in another market. Only the ones who never leave Peoria can be fooled into thinking the crap they're watching is normal. And it is these People that they like to keep ignorant hence the reason WMBD delete one of my critical comments posted on their public Facebook page, and why Mark DeSantis will totally deny the obvious in an attempt to make me look bad in front of anybody else who may read my posts.

If you believe Mark, than you will believe that WEEK was one of the very last stations to broadcast a 24/7 weather channel. When in fact, many, including KWQC & WAND, still do. The reason why WEEK's wx channel failed was because it was ran so poorly. Plagued with audio problems and other glitches. Also, Mark will also have you to believe that VERY FEW stations are upgrading their newscasts to HD.

I had always thought that WEEK was over-rated since the early-1990's. For one thing, stereo sound was a huge push by NBC, yet WEEK was the only NBC affiliate I know of that wasn't in stereo as of 1992, and it took them until 2001 before they made that upgrade, when it had to be done because their equipment was so antiquated.

WEEK's weather department has oftentimes consisted of fill-ins or people who know nothing about the weather, nor can most of them present it very well. Only in the last few years do you actually see long-term "meteorologists" on there.

Before automatic crawl systems, WMBD was always the fastest and most consistent and making sure wx bulletins were delivered. They were even consistent during the off times. WHOI used to be the worst. Sometimes displaying a wx bulletin near it's expiry. This would be a staff & knowledge staff issue.

When they all got auto crawl systems, WEEK, half of the time, seemed like they had zero staff who knew how to manually override theirs when it wasn't working right. Their first was called ***Instant Alert*** and was defective. It also lacked a map or "bug", probably to save money. During those days, I once saw 3 hours go by without WEEK viewers getting a single warning. They were the worst during the off times. WHOI surprised me by bringing the first auto crawl with a "county map" (First Warn) to the Peoria Market a few months later, though it looked very cheap ($30K) & was very glitchy. To their credit, WHOI did became VERY good at manually overriding this system because every WATCH, had to be entered manually due to a glitch. The WARNINGS worked reasonably well. Than just a few months later, WMBD did it right by spending $75K on a state-of-the-art crawl system (Stormtracker) that bested the competition. It just seems WMBD has been consistently superior over the last 2 decades, though WHOI did become rather aggressive after 2007 with a state-of-the-art WX graphics system from WSI. .

This reminds me, a break down of weather department firsts is a good area to see how far the Peoria DMA lags behind other stations:

Live Doppler: All surrounding markets except Quincy have at least one station equipped with one. WAND got theirs in 2003 & WQAD got theirs soon after. Even Rockford, a smaller DMA, has one. It is doubtful Peoria tv will ever have one.

Automatic WX crawl: I first saw this on WICS in 1993. And on WAND by 1994. WGEM, WQAD & KWQC already had theirs by spring of '95, maybe longer. Than by than by the end of 1995, WEEK was first, followed by WHOI & finally WMBD all within a year of each other. Again, the Peoria market was fairly late with this technology. I don't know when WHBF or WCIA got their first since I rarely got WCIA OTA. (These systems have become more reliable over the years so my above rant is less of an issue nowadays. In the rare event something fails, there's not much difference in performance between the 3 stations anymore when things need to be manually entered. Neither does a terrific job nor do they do a bad job.)

Street-level Mapping: around since the 90's, brought to Peoria in 2007 by WEEK courtesy of Accu WX Galileo. WHOI had the first decent version a few months later with their WSI system.

Lightening detection: Been on WAND since 2000 and in several smaller DMAs for years before first coming to Peoria in 2009 courtesy of WMBD's 3DLive. This also brought "slicing" to our market, which I haven't seen them use in a couple of years. And even though WEEK's Cinema Live HD system may look better in some ways, it is still inferior to WMBD's system. There is no comparison between the radar imagery of the 2 stations. WQAD had a Cinema Live HD they got rid of it very soon.

Oops, another diatribe! But this just proves my points of how far Peoria stations tend to lag behind and how overrated WEEK has been. I'm also trying to increase awareness of the Peoria TV shortcomings and I hope to eventually speed these upgrades up. If Rockford can have 3 independent news facilities fully-upgraded and healthy, than the slightly larger & similar $$$ Peoria DMA should be able to do the same as they only have to split their $$$ between 2 stations. That is, if it depends heavily on local sales. But like I said last week, I think it has more to do with the owner than the area.
Edited by Jokinjer1 - 5/7/13 at 9:38pm
post #2117 of 2162
One correction: No TV station in Rockford owns their own radar. WIFR and WREX (CBS and NBC) use their sister stations radars in Madison, WI and then remap it to center it on Rockford.
post #2118 of 2162
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Before automatic crawl systems, WMBD was always the fastest and most consistent and making sure wx bulletins were delivered. They were even consistent during the off times. WHOI used to be the worst. Sometimes displaying a wx bulletin near it's expiry. This would be a staff & knowledge staff issue.

When they all got auto crawl systems, WEEK, half of the time, seemed like they had any staff who knew how to manually override theirs when it wasn't working right. Their first was called ***Instant Alert*** and was defective. It also lacked a map or "bug", probably to save money. During those days, I once saw 3 hours go by without WEEK viewers getting a single warning. They were the worst during the off times. WHOI surprised me by bringing the first auto crawl with a "county map" to the Peoria Market a few months later, though it looked very cheap ($30K) & was very glitchy. To their credit, WHOI did became VERY good at manually overriding this system because every WATCH, had to be entered manually due to a glitch. The WARNINGS worked reasonably well. Than just a few months later, WMBD did it right by spending $75K on a state-of-the-art crawl system that bested the competition. It just seems WMBD has been consistently superior over the last 2 decades, though WHOI did become rather aggressive after 2007 with a state-of-the-art WX graphics system from WSI. .

This reminds me, a break down of weather department firsts is a good area to see how far the Peoria DMA lags behind other stations:

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While on the topic of WX bulletin auto crawls, on-screen county warning maps, and Peoria TV, I have a few interesting recollections about the former inclusion of portions of the immediate Peoria area in the warning crawls and county warning maps on Quad Cities and Springfield/Decatur stations. (BTW, I grew up within a few miles of the boundary between the Peoria and QC markets).

First Springfield: of course, to this day WICS includes Tazewell County in their county warning area (and McLean--as does WAND on that county). But from my recollections of tropo reception of channel 20 in the early '90s, I don't know for sure but it could have been possible that Peoria County might have been included in the WICS county warning map at one time--because I recall one night where I saw their county warning map go as far west as ADAMS COUNTY! (I don't remember how far northwest it was shown that night but there could have been a good possibility that Fulton and possibly McDonough counties might have been on the WICS map at one time). And for WAND, there were a few years that Peoria County was actually shown in their county warning map (as well as Tazewell and Woodford). I don't think the Peoria Big 3 (and KHQA/WGEM in the case of Adams County) were too thrilled with their Springfield/Decatur counterparts in the early '90s.

Quad Cities: When WQAD manually entered watches/warnings on screen before 1995, Peoria and even Woodford counties were regularly included (at least for watches--not sure about warnings). This was understandable considering how the Grade B signals of most QC stations end within or even slightly outside the Peoria city limits--particularly those transmitting from Orion (and at least in the analog days the Grade A signal of WQAD, and perhaps KLJB, made it to within about 2 miles of Brimfield). In fact, even into the early/mid-'90s I recall seeing a county warning map which included Peoria and even Woodford counties on WHBF--and some instances in the 90s/2000s where a local temp map on KWQC included the Peoria County outline. And even as recently as 2008 or '09 WQAD's online weather page even included Peoria County as among those where their watches/warnings were listed online (but I think that has changed the last few years). Wouldn't have surprised me if during those times that there may have been at least one instance where a Quad Cities station (or even Springfield/Decatur for that matter) might have first reported a weather watch or warning for at least part of the Tri-County area than their "hometown" counterparts.

As an aside, someone has created a table listing and map of counties served by TV stations in Iowa, including information on additions or exclusions of various counties from warning maps, etc.--would have been interesting to see one for Illinois had it been created.

http://iowahighwayends.net/maps/tvguide.html
Edited by TimfromSpfdIL - 5/7/13 at 7:34pm
post #2119 of 2162
BTW, it is true that very few news operations today are upgrading to HD...because they already have done so!
post #2120 of 2162
Not long after coming back to the Peoria area a couple of weeks ago, I accidentally poked my right eye with a pencil during a wiring/conduit project. Since than, I see halos around lights at night. Figured I did something to my lens, but than, silly me, it's from having to look at the inferior Peoria stations. tongue.gif
post #2121 of 2162
Can someone please direct me to a local (Peoria area), experienced, and reputable installer of OTA antennas? Residential. Rooftop. That sort of thing. Thanks!
post #2122 of 2162
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Originally Posted by Mademedia View Post

Can someone please direct me to a local (Peoria area), experienced, and reputable installer of OTA antennas? Residential. Rooftop. That sort of thing. Thanks!
Well, I quit doing it years ago, even when I had a commercial location. I even had to have specific insurance coverage for antenna installations that most repair shops never bothered with.

A&V and Bridges are both reputable service companies but I don't know if they attempt installations. I know that in today's litigious society, I would never set foot on someone's roof now. (my shop has been around since 1979 but is now a home-based business) A roof leak in the future could come back to haunt me forever and chimney mounts were never a good idea.

The local stations will generally come in with indoor antennas. Distant (QC or Springfield) signals require sophisticated systems and distribution that could cost a grand to set up. Chicago and Champaign are basically impossible. Because of the effect of the river bluffs, there are some areas that will never get reliable reception no matter what you do. Chillicothe and some areas of East Peoria for instance as well as some of the "West Bluff".

Antenna installation went from TV repair shops to the large satellite installers because they could do it dirt cheap. Every Big Dish install had to have an OTA setup to go with it so they had the equipment and manpower to do it quick and cheap. When the big dishes transitioned to D* they all went out of business and OTA became a DIY job in this area.

With the advent of small, lightweight, amplified antennas, there are ways to achieve rooftop height without mounting on the roof. A pole, resting on a ground pad, braced with an eve support, can easily go 12 foot above the top mount attachment point without guy wires. It can be turned from the ground for aiming, and lowered for repair or modification.
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My goal is to pull in QC & more Springfield. I've gotten a 40mile directional mounted on the gable end of my house. It's about 25 ft AGL with a coax run of about 75ft. I have a midsize preamp up there too. I can get WAND and WSEC from Springfield. Plus WYZZ and all the Peoria stations are all very clear. I am considering a rotor and a 100mile directional, but that would require a bigger mount and extension ladders, etc, etc. To get the antenna I have now where it is, I climbed the roof which is an 8/12, I believe, and just don't want to work that way again. I can DIY but was hoping to get someone with a bit more experience, especially with the mounting, and the right equipment.

This was a report I ran at TVFool.com
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d46aea05ae558a4

On a side note: I see companies like Weingard and Channel Master pushing preamps like they will get you greater distance from your existing ariel. From my own research, I was under the impression that preamps were for signal loss from long runs and splitters, etc. I understand it as, if you want more signal, go higher and get a bigger antenna. No? My Grandpa was a TV repair man and antenna installer back in the 50s and 60s. The hair on the arm he often used to reach into the cabinets with was turned an early grey. he claimed it was from the static electricity of the CRTs. LOL, whether true or not, it's a pretty cool story to a 6 year old.
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I'd still suggest staying off the roof.
Track down a used free-standing tower. With the right base mount you can lay it down for service. (pull one bolt and the other 2 act as a hinge) Sometimes you can find them for free if you remove it and haul it away.

Some preamps are designed for distribution, some for acquisition. Bigger will not be better since almost all digital broadcast is UHF, not VHF. Some designs will add a high VHF element to a UHF antenna. There are no low VHF antennas that I have seen since no one is supposed to be using low VHF for digital due to interference problems. There are some, however, like channel 4 in the QC. I have solid reception on 4 with my old VHF antenna but my friend, sitting many miles closer with a tower and multiple antennas has a lot of problems. When WMBD had a major failure, they fired up the decommissioned channel 3 transmitter in Champaign to serve CBS to Peoria. Reception was better than the local transmitter but probably was unwatchable in Champaign due to massive interference.

You might want to check out individual channels here. http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/tv-query-broadcast-station-search If you examine the "polar plot" you can see why, for instance, KGCW will be almost impossible due to a directional transmitter blocking out the Peoria area.

When using amplifiers, you have to be aware of real channel frequencies. If you were trying to pick up a real channel 31, local channel 30 (WMBD virt31) would overload the amp. In the analog era, I had to reduce signal strength on Peoria stations to pick up QC channels. Also, the higher the frequency, the harder to receive and the more signal blocking from physical objects.
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Any suggestions on where to find a used tower? Looks like there are some expensive ones for sale and a book online for making your own. Considering I don't weld. : /

Thanks!
post #2126 of 2162
I have not looked myself, but I think Craigslist might be a good starting point, along with eBay. Garage sales and newspaper classifieds would be another place.

Even driving around, looking for towers with no current antenna might work. The West Bluff/Moss Avenue area had a number of towers which were rendered useless when the stations raised their power several years ago. The high frequencies of UHF bounce back and forth across the river bluff and created so many reflections that homeowners had to go back to indoor antennas.
post #2127 of 2162
I'll look into that, thank you for all your helpful information!
post #2128 of 2162
Peoria Superfest is fast approaching. You may find what you need there.

(You may not find it either.)

Various tower sections are not uncommon items to find.
post #2129 of 2162
Thanks, I may go have a look see.
post #2130 of 2162
Has anybody noticed that WEEK's HD quality has been much better lately? I notice on Sunday Night Football that there is no longer the dreaded blurriness at times along with the picture being sharper.
Apparently, they must have upgraded to a new encoder.
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