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post #211 of 3311
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Originally Posted by winkydink View Post

As Slykens stated location is everything. I believe he is located over in/near Lemont.

I am in State College (Green Tree section of town), and I can ALMOST NEVER get WJAC-DT (less that 0.001 %). I have a Channel Master 7777 preamp (signal booster) with a Radio Shack Yagi and a rotor. Yet with this same setup I have been receiving WNEP-HD (49.3, 49.4) SOLID from Wilkes Barre-Scranton. I am hoping that the good reception keeps up for at least another month as it would be great to have the Super Bowl in HD.

I'm on the western edge of State College (GraysDale/GraysWoods area). I've got a CM-4228 8-bay bowtie with a CM-7777 preamp sitting in the corner of my basement. The Altoona stations (WATM/WWCP, WTAJ) come in nearly full strength and PBS from Clearfield comes in very good. No luck on WJAC, even when moving the antenna to the first or second floor of the house. Like others, the problem must be location again.
post #212 of 3311
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Originally Posted by SpookyGreyhound View Post

I'm on the western edge of State College (GraysDale/GraysWoods area). I've got a CM-4228 8-bay bowtie with a CM-7777 preamp sitting in the corner of my basement. The Altoona stations (WATM/WWCP, WTAJ) come in nearly full strength and PBS from Clearfield comes in very good. No luck on WJAC, even when moving the antenna to the first or second floor of the house. Like others, the problem must be location again.

It works for the others as you're about 31 miles from WTAJ and WATM's transmitters and they're broadcasting with 883 kW and 1 MW, respectively. WPSU has a 537 kW transmitter about 25 miles from you and another 50 kW transmitter about 8 miles from you. In fact, a simple set top antenna should pull those in.

WJAC, however, is around 65-70 miles and while they're at 1 MW we have quite the problem with scatter and multipath in State College receiving it. If you want to even come close to receiving it you need to get that antenna out on your roof. Out in that area you have some elevation so I would think you'd have a good shot at getting it to come in trouble free, but that's not going to happen inside your house at that range.
post #213 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

It works for the others as you're about 31 miles from WTAJ and WATM's transmitters and they're broadcasting with 883 kW and 1 MW, respectively. WPSU has a 537 kW transmitter about 25 miles from you and another 50 kW transmitter about 8 miles from you. In fact, a simple set top antenna should pull those in.

WJAC, however, is around 65-70 miles and while they're at 1 MW we have quite the problem with scatter and multipath in State College receiving it. If you want to even come close to receiving it you need to get that antenna out on your roof. Out in that area you have some elevation so I would think you'd have a good shot at getting it to come in trouble free, but that's not going to happen inside your house at that range.

Since I can get WJAC in HD through Adelphia, I'm not going to get too ambitious just yet to put the antenna on the roof. I do wish I could compare the quality between Adelphia's transmission and straight from WJAC's transmitter because some action scenes (especially while watching football) look blocky. Is it possible that Adelphia is choking the bandwidth a little?
post #214 of 3311
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Originally Posted by SpookyGreyhound View Post

Since I can get WJAC in HD through Adelphia, I'm not going to get too ambitious just yet to put the antenna on the roof.

Another thing to consider is the conversion of the Channel 7 Low Power TV (LPTV) channel to HD. In an email correspondence I had with the chief engineer at WJAC back in November of 2005, he explained to me that they hope to convert the Low Power transmitter at channel 7 (for State College) from analog to HD some time in 2006.
post #215 of 3311
Well...I just read this complete thread last night. Boy was I ignorant to the real situation. I assumed if you put up an antenna and could get reception it would include HD programming. I didn't know it was affiliate-dependent (although it makes complete sense in retrospect).

First I want to thank Slykens, Tinyiota, Winkydink and the other regulars for all the useful information. I live in downtown State College (the Allenway building) and am just getting into HD (my new KD-30XS955 is being delivered Saturday). I was hoping to get all the local channels in HD, but I guess I will now only be looking forward to beautiful episodes of NOVA and Frontline on WPSU. At the recommendation of the folks at SolidSignal.com I ordered the Winegard Sharpshooter 3000. I know I could have probably gotten something cheaper and just as good at Radio Shack, but I had the go-ahead from the wife so I took advantage.

When I first started reading at the beginning of this thread (dated June 2004) I thought things would have gotten to a great HD situation for the area in the year and a half up to now. Sadly I kept reading and learned of the lame decisions the local affiliates have made regarding piping out HD content.

Oh well, now I guess I won't be too disappointed if I can't get a signal in my apartment with the Sharpshooter since ABC, CBS, and FOX aren't giving HD content OTA.

I get free extended basic cable from D&E Communications with my rent so I don't have plans to switch to Adelphia now (I am also moving to another apartment in August). Oh well, luckily I got a tube HDTV which is reported to do great with SD content.

Again thanks for all the info about the current situation here in State College.
post #216 of 3311
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Originally Posted by SpookyGreyhound View Post

Since I can get WJAC in HD through Adelphia, I'm not going to get too ambitious just yet to put the antenna on the roof. I do wish I could compare the quality between Adelphia's transmission and straight from WJAC's transmitter because some action scenes (especially while watching football) look blocky. Is it possible that Adelphia is choking the bandwidth a little?

As far as I can tell Adelphia does not do any rate shaping to WJAC-DT.

Keep in mind that Adelphia receives the same signal OTA as you could then puts that stream on the cable plant.

WJAC-DT's HD stream is about 15 Mbps from what I have seen which makes the 1080i look a little bit starved in fast action. WJAC's Weather Plus service is multicast on the same channel taking up a few Mbps as well.

From what I understand Adelphia does no rate shaping or re-encoding of HD signals. It wouldn't make much sense for them, money wise, as they now have plenty of bandiwdth and doing such would only gain them a few Mbps per HD channel. The HD encoder isn't cheap, either. Theoretically, if they're using a master headend somewhere they could re-encode and distribute it and spread the cost of the equipment over many systems.

I believe Comcast, who will soon be our provider, as a matter of policy does not re-encode HD either.
post #217 of 3311
I took the Winegard Sharpshooter 3000 over to a friend's apartment last night and we tried to get some locals. We connected it to his Panasonic TH-42PX50U. He lives downtown also and his apartment faces S-SE.

We easily got WPSU on channel 3.1. We then tried for WATM and WWCP. We were unable to get either of those with the antenna in the apartment. The apartment is five floors up so I thought we might get them. Next we ran coax out to his balcony and set the antenna on the railing and point it SW (toward Altoona). We were then able to get WATM (23.1), WWCP (23.2), and WTAJ (36.1). WATM and WWCP were the best but WTAJ had some serious pixelation and we checked the signal meter and it was always <20%.

He has Adelphia and we compared WATM OTA and through Adelphia. The PQ was greatly improved OTA. It was hard to see if WPSU was better OTA or through Adelphia. We were watching "Spartans" on WPSU.

Do you think a Silver Sensor with a CM preamp would allow us to get WATM, WWCP, or WTAJ with the antenna indoors?

I have another question about the location of the station towers. This is what antennaweb.org says for my location:
Call SignChannel Network CityState CompassOrientation Miles FrequencyAssignment

WTAJ 10 CBS ALTOONA PA 254° 34.9 10
WKBS 47 FMN ALTOONA PA 254° 34.7 47
W59AI 59 FOX STATE COLLEGE PA 3° 6.9 59
W39BE 39 ABC STATE COLLEGE PA 214° 5.7 39
WHVL-LP 29 i STATE COLLEGE, ETC. PA 333° 11.0 29
W36BE 36 ABC STATE COLLEGE PA 214° 5.7 36
W07CD 7 NBC STATE COLLEGE PA 213° 5.2 7
WPSU 3 PBS CLEARFIELD PA 317° 38.4 3
W41CF 41 TBN ALTOONA PA 254° 34.9 41
WJAC 6 NBC JOHNSTOWN PA 255° 66.3 6
WATM 23 ABC ALTOONA PA 254° 34.9 23
WATM-DT 23.1 ABC ALTOONA PA 254° 34.9 24

What are those State College stations? Is that the reason we were able to get WATM and WWCP. From reading the previous posts, it sounds like WATM and WWCP are broadcasting from the same tower. Is it in State College or Altoona?

I am new to this stuff so thanks if you can help.
post #218 of 3311
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I'd be surprised if you can get much of anything indoors downtown. Too much multipath. WPSU should come in but that's because of the 50 kW booster on Pine Grove Mountain. The calculated field intensity in State College is better than 90 dBu; the FCC says 41 dBu is enough to receive it.

WATM-DT and WTAJ-DT transmit from nearly the same location. WATM-DT is a multiplexed stream of WATM-TV and WWCP-TV.

WWCP-DT transmits from Westmoreland County, some 85 miles away and you won't receive it at all in State College.

WJAC-DT transmits from Laurel Mountain in Cambria County, some 65 miles away, and you won't receive it unless you get an antenna up on the roof and have some luck.

As to indoor reception with anything, I think for now all you'll get for sure is WPSU. WATM-DT might come in, and WTAJ-DT might some in if you're lucky.

From that, however, all you're going to see in HD right now is WPSU.

Keep in mind there are people who live in downtown New York City who can't receive digital TV due to the amount of multipath inherent to a city situation.


The State College channels in your list are analog translators.

*** FOR OTHERS: Please review the new summary I put on the top post of the thread and let me know if more information should be added or information corrected. THANK YOU!
post #219 of 3311
Thanks for clearing it up for me. Alright, just so I understand completely...WATM-DT and WTAJ-DT both transmit from Altoona, but we were getting the signals from an analog translator that is in State College?
post #220 of 3311
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Originally Posted by golferadam View Post

Thanks for clearing it up for me. Alright, just so I understand completely...WATM-DT and WTAJ-DT both transmit from Altoona, but we were getting the signals from an analog translator that is in State College?

No, in the list you provided above the State College stations are analog translators. W07CD is WJAC's, W36BE and W39BE are WNEP's, and W59AI is WWCP's. WHVL (29) doesn't exist.

The digital signals you were receiving in the case of WTAJ-DT and WATM-DT were from Wopsy Mountain in Altoona. WTAJ and WATM's transmitters are less than a few hundred yards apart.

In the case of WPSU-DT is is likely your signal was from the on-channel booster on Pine Grove Mountain.
post #221 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post


The digital signals you were receiving in the case of WTAJ-DT and WATM-DT were from Wopsy Mountain in Altoona. WTAJ and WATM's transmitters are less than a few hundred yards apart.

I am receiving both DT signals mentioned from the Laurel Ridge on RT. 30 via an indoor antenna pointed just slightly West from where I pick up WJAC-DT. In fact I can compromise and receive all three from the same position. I guess what I'm getting at is: There's not duplicate DT signals being transmitted, are there?
ie: Wopsy and Laurel Mt.
post #222 of 3311
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Well, technically no, there are no duplicate signals.

However, WWCP-DT is a multiplexed stream of WWCP-TV and WATM-TV. WATM-DT is a muxed stream of WATM-TV and WWCP-TV.

In fact, if the Laurel Ridge doesn't block too much signal you could likely get the digital channels from Pittsburgh with an external antenna and preamp. Also depends on your height and exact location. You look to be around 65 miles from Pittsburgh by air so if you're bored and have the resources you might want to try it. Could get you all the networks in HD now.
post #223 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

Well, technically no, there are no duplicate signals.

However, WWCP-DT is a multiplexed stream of WWCP-TV and WATM-TV. WATM-DT is a muxed stream of WATM-TV and WWCP-TV.

In fact, if the Laurel Ridge doesn't block too much signal you could likely get the digital channels from Pittsburgh with an external antenna and preamp. Also depends on your height and exact location. You look to be around 65 miles from Pittsburgh by air so if you're bored and have the resources you might want to try it. Could get you all the networks in HD now.

I think that with my mixing different thoughts in the same post, you may have missed my original question. I am quite sure that the signals I am receiving are coming from the Laurel Ridge (not Wopsy) transmitting location. According to the WWCP/WATM website, they have transmitters at both Wopsy and Laurel Ridge. My guess is that they use Wopsy for their analog transmissions and Laurel Ridge for their digitals.

I just looked at the second sentence of your reply again - Could one of these muxed streams be coming from Wopsy and the one I'm receiving from the Laurel Ridge?

Thanx for the suggestion of Pittsburgh stations via external antenna, but I'm trying to stay away from any outside antenna other than my dish.

Many plaudits for the service you provide via this website!
post #224 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

The digital signals you were receiving in the case of WTAJ-DT and WATM-DT were from Wopsy Mountain in Altoona. WTAJ and WATM's transmitters are less than a few hundred yards apart.

Well that is encouraging that we were getting transmissions from Altoona. I wonder if an 8 bay bowtie with preamp would work better than the Sharpshooter 3000. As understand it, the Sharpshooter 3000 is for both UHF and VHF whereas the bowtie is not. Is that correct? Can an 8 bay bowtie be used indoors or on a small apartment balcony? I don't have a feel for how large the bowtie is.
post #225 of 3311
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Originally Posted by fhschellenberg View Post

I just looked at the second sentence of your reply again - Could one of these muxed streams be coming from Wopsy and the one I'm receiving from the Laurel Ridge?

This is right on.

WWCP-TV (analog) and WWCP-DT (digital) broadcast from the same tower at Laurel.

WATM-TV (analog) and WATM-DT (digital) broadcast from the same tower at Wopsy.

Together with that's on WWCP-DT and WATM-DT that should explain what you're seeing.

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Originally Posted by golferadam View Post

As understand it, the Sharpshooter 3000 is for both UHF and VHF whereas the bowtie is not. Is that correct? Can an 8 bay bowtie be used indoors or on a small apartment balcony? I don't have a feel for how large the bowtie is.

I don't know about the Sharpshooter. You need to take a look at the gain and 3 dB beam width for the antenna to make a comparison to an 8-bay bowtie. An 8-bay bowtie will typically have about 12 dB of gain in the channel range we want to be in. Off the top of my head I forget what the pattern looks like so I can't speak to beam width. Keep in mind that beam width is typically tightly related to gain. A higher gain/tigher beam width equals a more directional antenna.

At short ranges ( <40 miles or so) the bowtie will work fine for high-VHF channels.

If the problem is multipath a higher gain/tighter pattern antenna will help to a certain extent as it will be less sensitive to off-axis reflections.

I have to admit that I don't think there's much you can do downtown at the moment. I could certainly be very wrong. At my location I am shooting over downtown and all but WWCP-DT come in fine 99% of the time.

What model receiver are you trying to use? Do you know what generation chipset it is?

Unless you're going to be able to get the antenna up on the roof you won't get WJAC-DT from Johnstown... Have you tried a simple set of rabbit ears?
post #226 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

This is right on.

WWCP-TV (analog) and WWCP-DT (digital) broadcast from the same tower at Laurel.

WATM-TV (analog) and WATM-DT (digital) broadcast from the same tower at Wopsy.

Minor clarification, I believe both DT's come from Laurel and both analogs from Wopsy. I only get the DT's OTA.
post #227 of 3311
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Originally Posted by fhschellenberg View Post

Minor clarification, I believe both DT's come from Laurel and both analogs from Wopsy. I only get the DT's OTA.

Incorrect.

WWCP-DT transmits from Laurel Ridge in Westmoreland County. See FCC Contour Map for WWCP-DT

WATM-DT transmits from Wopsy Mountain in Altoona. FCC Contour Map for WATM-DT

The blue star in the middle represents the transmitter location.
post #228 of 3311
I will be heading out to State College this summer and have started looking into television options. I apologize for the newbie nature of this question but I was wondering if someone could post the HD channels that I can get from cable in 2006? I am a antenna idiot so I am going to have to use either cable or directv...

Thanks for the help!
Jeff Kahn
post #229 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

Incorrect.

WWCP-DT transmits from Laurel Ridge in Westmoreland County. See FCC Contour Map for WWCP-DT

WATM-DT transmits from Wopsy Mountain in Altoona. FCC Contour Map for WATM-DT

The blue star in the middle represents the transmitter location.

Could the map be wrong? I am definitely receiving DT signals from both WWCP and WATM. I am too far away (~40 miles and a big mountain) from Altoona, I'm only using a small indoor Jensen antenna and I don't have to rotate it toward the east for WATM-DT.
post #230 of 3311
i live in johnstown i can get wjactv-dt channel 34 and i can get fox-watm both from channel 29. i can get signal from channel 32 and 24 from altoona but wont lock them in. i have to put the antenna up on the roof probley to get them lock on.
post #231 of 3311
for all those in altoona with atlantic broadband...check our channel 776. it is called DKAHD. I called the office and confirmed that it was none other than the KDKA CBS feed in HD! The only thing that sucks is that it isn't up yet and they couldn't give me an ETA as to when that would be. But history with them has shown that once the channel shows up in the guide, it usually isn't too much longer for the channel to go live. I have my fingers crossed for a Steelers AFC championship in HD!
post #232 of 3311
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for all those in altoona with atlantic broadband...check our channel 776. it is called DKAHD. I called the office and confirmed that it was none other than the KDKA CBS feed in HD! The only thing that sucks is that it isn't up yet and they couldn't give me an ETA as to when that would be. But history with them has shown that once the channel shows up in the guide, it usually isn't too much longer for the channel to go live. I have my fingers crossed for a Steelers AFC championship in HD!


Anyone on adelphia heard anything about a CBS feed? Why would D&E get it while the CBS feed for Adelphia is dragging their feet saying they don't have the money for HD upgrade?
post #233 of 3311
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Originally Posted by jjg247 View Post

Anyone on adelphia heard anything about a CBS feed? Why would D&E get it while the CBS feed for Adelphia is dragging their feet saying they don't have the money for HD upgrade?

It is not D&E getting it. It is Atlantic Broadband in Altoona. Altoona is a secondary market for KDKA and KDKA has been on the cable system there for a long time. I would have to guess that KDKA-TV (2) is blacked out during CBS network programming but through a deal with WTAJ KDKA-DT will be passed until WTAJ gets their HD gear into place.

If you don't know, KDKA is the CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh. Altoona is around 80 miles from Pittsburgh.

I'm not sure which Adelphia you're complaining about. If it is the State College Adelphia we'd need to convince someone there to put KDKA-DT on our system and get WTAJ and KDKA to sign off on it. I doubt the effort for such a deal would be expended especially if WTAJ is on schedule for a June/July upgrade. It would be great if we could but Adelphia hasn't even put in the effort to get WWCP-DT onto our system.

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Could the map be wrong? I am definitely receiving DT signals from both WWCP and WATM. I am too far away (~40 miles and a big mountain) from Altoona, I'm only using a small indoor Jensen antenna and I don't have to rotate it toward the east for WATM-DT.

I would bet you any amount of money you desire that the information is correct. A few weeks before Christmas I had a several hour meeting with their chief engineer... Together with that the FCC wouldn't make that kind of mistake. Further to that, WWCP-DT is required to protect a potential channel 29 WILF-DT in Williamsport and placing their channel 29 transmitter in Altoona would interfere with that more than where it really is.
post #234 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

I would bet you any amount of money you desire that the information is correct. A few weeks before Christmas I had a several hour meeting with their chief engineer... Together with that the FCC wouldn't make that kind of mistake. Further to that, WWCP-DT is required to protect a potential channel 29 WILF-DT in Williamsport and placing their channel 29 transmitter in Altoona would interfere with that more than where it really is.

Thank you. You have convinced me that I actually am getting WATM-DT CH24, 8-2 from Wopsy.

One last question: How is Mr. Dan Owens, Chief Engineer to deal with? I have been trying since November 2005 to get a waiver for the East DNS-HD DirecTV channels until WWCP/WATM get HD on the air. I've physically visited and left a detailed letter explaining my request (Mr. Owens was not available). After about a month, I called (no answer) 5-6 times and left a voice message and local number to call me back. No response of any kind yet! Would you recommend going directly to DirecTV? It sure would be nice to have ABC-HD for the Super Bowl.
post #235 of 3311
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Originally Posted by fhschellenberg View Post

One last question: How is Mr. Dan Owens, Chief Engineer to deal with? I have been trying since November 2005 to get a waiver for the East DNS-HD DirecTV channels until WWCP/WATM get HD on the air. I've physically visited and left a detailed letter explaining my request (Mr. Owens was not available). After about a month, I called (no answer) 5-6 times and left a voice message and local number to call me back. No response of any kind yet! Would you recommend going directly to DirecTV? It sure would be nice to have ABC-HD for the Super Bowl.

Dan is a good guy but is also known to some as "the busiest guy on earth." You might be better off trying to speak directly to their General Manager. Dan's got a lot going on, especially if the HD equipment for the ABC side has arrived. I think the GM might be a better choice anyway. I'm not sure who is in charge of waivers there, however.

Going directly to DirecTV might not work either, my father has done this as well. I'm not sure WATM/WWCP understands the distinction between a DNS waiver for HD and a regular DNS waiver. They probably reject all waivers now as a matter of course because DirecTV and Dish have our local channels available.

I would try getting on the phone and trying to talk to the GM there. When I took care of my father's DNS waiver for CBS-HD Kathy Smith at WTAJ did it within a day or two, so it can be done quickly.

As to WATM-DT, I think we still have some confusion. The 8.2 subchannel you see as WATM is part of the WWCP-DT digital channel on channel 29. 8.1 is WWCP-TV and 8.2 is WATM-TV.

The digital transmitter at Wopsy is on channel 24, and subchannel 23.1 is WATM-TV and 23.2 is WWCP-TV.

Please note my careful use of the -TV and -DT designations. -TV represents an analog TV channel, a single program. -DT represents a digital TV channel capable of carrying ~19.4 Mbps of data. In the case of most TV stations the data is a single HD program stream, or an HD program stream at ~15 Mbps and a secondary program like NBC Weather Plus or ABC News Now.

From the information I have the long term plan for stations in our market will be:

8.1 - FOX HD (WWCP-DT)
8.2 - ABC SD (WWCP-DT)

15.1 - PBS HD (WPSU-DT)
15.2 - PBS SD (WPSU-DT)

24.1 - ABC HD (WATM-DT)
24.2 - FOX SD (WATM-DT)

32.1 - CBS HD (WTAJ-DT)

34.1 - NBC HD (WJAC-DT)
34.2 - NBC Weather Plus (WJAC-DT)
post #236 of 3311
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Originally Posted by slykens View Post

Dan is a good guy but is also known to some as "the busiest guy on earth." You might be better off trying to speak directly to their General Manager. Dan's got a lot going on, especially if the HD equipment for the ABC side has arrived. I think the GM might be a better choice anyway. I'm not sure who is in charge of waivers there, however.

Going directly to DirecTV might not work either, my father has done this as well. I'm not sure WATM/WWCP understands the distinction between a DNS waiver for HD and a regular DNS waiver. They probably reject all waivers now as a matter of course because DirecTV and Dish have our local channels available.

I would try getting on the phone and trying to talk to the GM there. When I took care of my father's DNS waiver for CBS-HD Kathy Smith at WTAJ did it within a day or two, so it can be done quickly.

As to WATM-DT, I think we still have some confusion. The 8.2 subchannel you see as WATM is part of the WWCP-DT digital channel on channel 29. 8.1 is WWCP-TV and 8.2 is WATM-TV.

The digital transmitter at Wopsy is on channel 24, and subchannel 23.1 is WATM-TV and 23.2 is WWCP-TV.

Please note my careful use of the -TV and -DT designations. -TV represents an analog TV channel, a single program. -DT represents a digital TV channel capable of carrying ~19.4 Mbps of data. In the case of most TV stations the data is a single HD program stream, or an HD program stream at ~15 Mbps and a secondary program like NBC Weather Plus or ABC News Now.

From the information I have the long term plan for stations in our market will be:

8.1 - FOX HD (WWCP-DT)
8.2 - ABC SD (WWCP-DT)

15.1 - PBS HD (WPSU-DT)
15.2 - PBS SD (WPSU-DT)

24.1 - ABC HD (WATM-DT)
24.2 - FOX SD (WATM-DT)

32.1 - CBS HD (WTAJ-DT)

34.1 - NBC HD (WJAC-DT)
34.2 - NBC Weather Plus (WJAC-DT)

Wow is all I can say right now! Thanx for the great info and I think the last roadblock in my mind (at least on this subject) has been circumvented!
It looks like ABC-HD will not be accessible to me OTA ever, but eventually WWCP_HD will be on sub-channel 8.1 sometime in the future.
Thanx again, I will try to get hold of the GM, pronto!
post #237 of 3311
So much for new sets being required to have digital tuners in them when the miserable stations (8 & 23) transmit their digital signals from separate locations (the second of which cannot be received OTA from my location - Westmont). Even though I can receive 8 Digital OTA, they still have not seen fit to transmit the HD signal OTA for Fox. What a waste of expensive equipment I have in my living room. Thanks for the explanation of the difference of 8 on one mountain and 23 on the other - I will stop checking periodically to see if ABC 8.2 switches to HD - now I know I won't be able to receive it OTA when/if it does.
post #238 of 3311
hey jiml i live in johnstown in the valley part. i can get channel 29 and 34 easly. and can get signals from altoon just cant get them to lock on. im sure they will if i put my antenna up on the roft. i know people getting pittsburgh channels from here so why dont u try to get pittsburgh channels or altoona senes you live on the top of mountain jiml.
post #239 of 3311
Does anyone have a list of who to contact for each station to make an attempt at getting waivers for direcTV?
post #240 of 3311
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Originally Posted by fhschellenberg View Post

Wow is all I can say right now! Thanx for the great info and I think the last roadblock in my mind (at least on this subject) has been circumvented!
It looks like ABC-HD will not be accessible to me OTA ever, but eventually WWCP_HD will be on sub-channel 8.1 sometime in the future.
Thanx again, I will try to get hold of the GM, pronto!

I would imagine that with a rooftop antenna you could get WATM-DT. It is a 1 MW transmitter at a range of 28 miles, even if there is a ridge in between.

Some day WWCP and WATM will pass HD. I hope that day is sooner rather than later.
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