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post #31 of 12082
warr and lvman,

How well does the favorites feature work on the Moxi?
post #32 of 12082
Ivman1080,

Can I ask how much the Charter DVR with Moxi costs per month? The Charter CSR told me just today that they are going to be getting them in here in Madison, WI. My g/f and I are really pumped!
post #33 of 12082
Ivman,
Does the 9012 output a modulated RF signal (ch 3 or ch 4) so you can feed the signal to other SD Tv's?

Thanks,
Dave
post #34 of 12082
Charter here offers the Moxi for the princely sum of $17/mo, $7/rental fee + $10 "for the service".

The $10 service fee should be universal since that's Digeo's cut essentially. The box rental fee could vary by company I suppose.
post #35 of 12082
Quote:


Originally posted by dfriend
Charter here offers the Moxi for the princely sum of $17/mo, $7/rental fee + $10 "for the service".

The $10 service fee should be universal since that's Digeo's cut essentially. The box rental fee could vary by company I suppose.

So that's in addition to the $3 HD service, and the $4 HDNet subscription fee, right?

What about the $10 rental fee for the regular HD box? Are you saying that the Moxi is actually cheaper than a plain HD box? I guess that would make some sense, since they're tacking on another $10 that you can't go without.
post #36 of 12082
Does the Moxi stream mp3 and photos from your home network?
post #37 of 12082
I was sad to read that Comcast's Moxies are for Motorola systems, as I'm on a leg of Comcast that uses Sci-Atlanta. The 8000 is riddled with problems, and I am hoping that either Comcast will eventually order Sci-At systems Moxies OR I might be able to purchase one on my own (and have it work with my system...)

Ah, well...
post #38 of 12082
Quote:


Originally posted by rcwalters
So that's in addition to the $3 HD service, and the $4 HDNet subscription fee, right?

What about the $10 rental fee for the regular HD box? Are you saying that the Moxi is actually cheaper than a plain HD box? I guess that would make some sense, since they're tacking on another $10 that you can't go without.

Yes that's in addition to the service fees for the channels themselves.

The rental fee will vary by location. Here the $7 fee for the Moxi box is the same as the rental for the regular HD box, depending on how you rent it. Here there's a digital package that somehow allows you to rent the box for $3, but if you want Moxi, then it's $7. If you don't get the package, the rental is $7 regardless. Kind of stupid but hey, it's a cable company.
post #39 of 12082
The Charter MOXI service costs an additional $17 per month in Medford, Oregon. $10 for the DVR service and $7 for the MOXI box. There is no MP3 and photo streaming yet. I'm not sure about the modulated RF signal. If you mean can the MOXI box do simultaneous component and SD output, I don't think so. I have an HD module attached to the box and component outputs from the box to my Panasonic RPTV. I don't think the RF out is live. I know that the S-video and RCA outputs are not live. Maybe dfriend can help you with the RF question.
My only experience with DVR has been the Snapstream service.
post #40 of 12082
Ivman1080, how did you record to your PC's hard drive? Firewire?

Thanks, Mike
post #41 of 12082
I have not recorded to my PC hard drive with MOXI. There is no firewire out from the box. I was just giving my experience with DVR. Sorry for the confusion.
post #42 of 12082
Moxi will be available to Comcast subscribers in the Portland, OR area by the end of the year.

http://www.comcastnw.com/digital_video.htm
post #43 of 12082
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Originally posted by SonomaSearcher
Moxi will be available to Comcast subscribers in the Portland, OR area by the end of the year.

http://www.comcastnw.com/digital_video.htm


Interesting...I wonder when Northern California/Bay Area will make an announcement...you'd figure they know the answer already since they are managed by the same Western Regional Management team as Oregon...and the entire region chose to bypass the 6208...
post #44 of 12082
I just got my Moxi yesterday.

First Impressions is:

The good:
It timeshifts or records HD.
Its inexpensive.
Its got two tuners.

The bad:
Its slow to respond to remote, particularly when recording.
It needs a tabular program guide, it takes forever to find anything.
Its hard to find the recording status.
The disk is way too small for HD. Should have at least 4 times more hard drive,
Proprietary non-learning remote.

Needed:
Faster remote response, its way too easy to overrun the remote buffer.
Option for tabular guides. The ReplayTV is a good example of how to do it, it is much easier to navigate.
A better status indicator.
Ability to put more lines of data in when in a high res mode.
A learning remote.

My ReplayTVs won't be going away anytime soon, the Moxi complements them, however. Please activate the USB ports and let me put a drive on it.
post #45 of 12082
Interesting impressions kelliot. Hopefully MoxiGuy, who frequents these boards, will see your comments and they'll work their way into future improvements. Especially about the remote and the guide navigation.

I'm hoping that Moxi will be offered here in Burbank, CA but I also hope that it's a lot better than the SA 8000HD.
post #46 of 12082
Comments seen and, for the most part, already working their way into future improvements. A few already baked into software updates that are in the pipeline. Others under consideration, awaiting more feedback.
post #47 of 12082
MoxiGuy can you discuss the availability of the unit on Comcast systems? Does it look like we'll have to wait for them to hit retail and buy it to use on most Comcast markets?
post #48 of 12082
DaveFi,

I know very little, and what little I know, I can't say. We're working with Comcast. They plan to deploy Moxi in trials later this year. I have to guess that Comcast will make decisions on the basis of what they learn. Beyond that, you probably know as much as I do. Maybe more.
post #49 of 12082
Unfortunately it looks like the 6412 will be the PVR of choice for Comcast.
The iGuide software isn't very good. Better than what we have now, but still poor compared to Moxi and MSTV.

I'm not sure why isolated regions have access to different products, because I thought Comcast was trying to make their services uniform.
At least now that Cable Card is available, we will start to see boxes like Moxi hit retail.
post #50 of 12082
The first generation of CableCARD doesn't support a multi-tuner DVR or two-way interactivity needed to control On Demand content or the full set of Moxi features. That won't happen until the next generation, known as Multi-Stream CableCARD. So, Moxi at retail is not a near-term prospect.
post #51 of 12082
Was surfing last night and found that the remote is much faster if one does not use the Moxi menu. I'd just as soon not see the magnified selection on the channel selector. It just hides other info.

If one selects a channel with the current software it gives a list of choices. I'd prefer if it tunes to it and that another button be used for choices.

Also give me a jump up or down 100 channels button. I'm tired of scrolling. Nothing else has this either AFAIK.

Also, the tuner area gets real hot even though the ventilation is reasonaby good. Don't expect to put one of these in a closed cabinet.

I like the PQ. On 1080i, I saw no motion artifacts on HD gymnastics.
post #52 of 12082
All these behaviors work in the Moxi Menu

Singles: a single press on the arrow will move one item into the center focus (selection) area.

Turbo mode: hold the arrow and the U-I accelerates as you move into turbo mode, which zips through the choices very rapidly. When you let go, it stops.

Paging: the channel up & down button will move through channels a screen at a time.

Number entry: use the number pad to jump to any channel number (or if you enter a number that you don't actually get, you jump to the nearest number).

kelliot: when you talk about a buffer overrun, do you mean turbo mode, or is the menu actually continuing to scroll after you take your finger off the button?
post #53 of 12082
Thread Starter 
My cable company just gave me a moto moxi 9012 and i have few question about it.

1. My moto 6208 i was beta testing allowed me to hook up my tivo via Svideo and output 480I, while outputing 1080I through DVI and Comp. Can the moxi do this?

2. The DVI port shows a pictures for 10 seconds and then says no signal.. why?

3. Will the USB port allow me to connect a USB2 harddrive to add space?

4. The interface seems to run a little sluggish.. like an underpower pc..why?
post #54 of 12082
Valuepac,

1. No. It never occurred to us that someone would want to hook up a DVR to Moxi, since Moxi already contains a DVR. We have two tuners. You can record both of them simultaneously. You can even play back a third show while you are doing that. What is your reason for wanting to output to TiVo at the same time? Moxi outputs only one resolution at a time. So, if you set it to 1080i, you'll see nothing at the S-video or the composite output.

2. The DVI output uses an encryption scheme called HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection Scheme). We still have a few hurdles to clear before we can enable your box to perform the required HDCP handshake to keep your picture going. It looks like it will take a few months. Then we'll be able to turn on your DVI.

3. Since you put the question in the future tense, I can answer Yes. We're planning to enable a USB 2 external drive in a future release.

4. Not sure how to answer, because I don't know enough about what seems sluggish to you. What problems are you seeing? Is it sluggish everywhere? or on specific operations?
post #55 of 12082
Moxiguy,
To comment on the last post I personally find it very important that the composite video output works at the same time as the component output. I have a Home Theater room that has a 100" Projector and a 25" TV. I do not really need to veiw both at the same time but certainly do not want to have to go into a configuration menu to switch outputs to switch TVs. I am expecting a my Moxi today (assuming Moxi as it Charter DVR/HD). I am very disapointed to here that the outputs do not work at the same time. I hope Moxi addresses this issue soon. I had a Samsung T165 and worked great this way..

RK
post #56 of 12082
Thread Starter 
All I have to say is we need to have bigger hard drive. I wouldnt have the output issue for my Tivo if the box came with 250gig + hard drive in the first place or at the very least let me add on my own USB 2 drive. I'll go to frys and buy my own USB2 300 gig harddrive. Then i can get rid of tivo.
post #57 of 12082
Does Moxi show 4:3 material in OAR or stretched?

Valuepac how did you get on the beta program? Do you think I can get one if I call them?
post #58 of 12082
Quote:


Originally posted by tnili
Does Moxi show 4:3 material in OAR or stretched?

In current software, it's stretched. We're making a change to that in a release planned for later this year. In a future release we will pass through all signals to your display in whatever resolution and aspect ratio they are transmitted in. What you receive is what you'll see. You have the option to use settings on your TV to stretch, squash, crop, or upscale to suit your preferences. We expect this will also improve PQ on SD material.
post #59 of 12082
Quote:


Originally posted by MoxiGuy
In current software, it's stretched. We're making a change to that in a release planned for later this year.

Huh!? I hope I'm reading this wrong. Does this mean that all 4:3 content will be streched to 16:9 on my widescreen TV?
post #60 of 12082
No, you didn't read it wrong; I explained it incompletely. Let me clarify.

We don't prevent you from watching in the original aspect ratio, but you may have to manually swtich resolutions to do so.

Examples: You can set the output of BMC9012 to any of the following resolutions: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i. In 1080i mode, we present 1080i signals in whatever aspect ratio they are transmitted. If the program source is 4:3 with pillars on the sides, that's what you'll see. If the source is stretched, that's what you'll see. If it's native 16:9, that's what you'll see.

Here's where the complexity sets in: In 1080i mode, signals in lower resolutions are currently upscaled to 1080i and stretched to 16:9.

At home, when I tune to a 4:3 program that's transmitted in 480i, what I do is manually change output resolution from 1080i to 480i. This restores the 4:3 aspect ratio.

What we plan do in a future release is to eliminate the need to switch output resolution manually. You check off all the resolutions your display is capable of handling, and, provided the display can handle the incoming resolution, that's what we'll output. If not, we'll scale it for you.

In that coming release, we'll present original aspect ratio and screen resolution automatically.

From that point on, it's up to you and your TV to make choices about stretching, cropping, letterboxing, etc.
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