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post #91 of 3680
I get periodic "subscription needed" errors on the 6200. They happen, although rare in general.
post #92 of 3680
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Originally posted by murphyb74
Can you do PIP with the 6412? I guess this would require two signals out of the 6412 into TV?

The remote I got from Cox has the PIP buttons on it and the COX user guide says they are "reserved for future use".
I had a dual tuner PVR for my DirecTV and it had PIP in the PVR. The combined picture is created in the PVR and passed to the the TV along with the audio of the primary picture. The TV has no idea it is getting a PIP display.
Until dual tuner is implemented along hopefully with PIP my workaround is to split the incoming cable between the 6412 and the tuner input on my TV and then I use the PIP function on the TV.
post #93 of 3680
It would be nice to have PIP functionality built-in to the PVR. I hope they enable this when they implement 2nd tuner support.
On my Toshiba RPTV, and probably some other HD displays, the TV's internal PIP functions are disabled on component and DVI inputs.
post #94 of 3680
On my Samsung HLP the primary has to be OTA analog but the Pip can be from any source.
post #95 of 3680
Thread Starter 
Okay, ran into a possible issue today. My previous macros for the remote always powered off the 6412 when I shut down the PJ and the rest of the equipment which would render my scheduled recordings void. Apparently a scheduled recording does not "wake up" the box. So I had the macro changed to leave the box always on. After recording a program last night with the rest of the system off the box shut itself down which makes no sense to me. Anyone else experience this or have an explanation.
post #96 of 3680
I was in error the secondary also has to be from an analog 480 i source not from Component or DVI.
post #97 of 3680
Not sure about the 6412 but the 6208 will wake itself up when powered down for a scheduled recording.... If they did take out that feature I would have to say "THAT SUCKS !
post #98 of 3680
Thread Starter 
I will do some more investigating but last night it did not power down after the scheduled recording. I have noticed that occasionally ( less than once a week) that the box resets itself or something and this ends up powering it down, perhaps this was the culprit. I will also check to see if it powers up to record a scheduled program tonight
post #99 of 3680
my 6208 has been randomly powering off A LOT lately. it has to re-acquire the guide every time.
post #100 of 3680
Thread Starter 
Last night I powered off the 6412, it woke up, recorded correctly, then powered off. So there must be a random power off. Maybe ET is phoning home?
post #101 of 3680
The Motorola boxes tend to need to reacquire the guide info after even a short brownout, so I connected mine to a UPS. Haven't had a problem since.
post #102 of 3680
so are the 6212's about to be rolled out to the general public yet?
post #103 of 3680
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Originally posted by oleus
so are the 6212's about to be rolled out to the general public yet?

a couple cable co's have rolled them out already...Comcast has not.

Don't expect them for at least another couple months from Comcast.
post #104 of 3680
Comcast NJ - Union/Verona

I was told by Comcast to check back in December or January for the 6412. They had no idea which giude would be on it. But I have to disappointingly assume it is the new iGuide coming this or next month.
post #105 of 3680
When in October is the software with dual tuner support coming out? My wife won't be a happy camper if she has to watch the sports game when I'm at school and American Idol is on. In fact, I'll bet that the first time it happened, the DCT6412 would be on its way back to cox.
post #106 of 3680
Thread Starter 
I do not think that there is a date at least here in Wichita, just something in the fall was the word. I am not holding my breath.
post #107 of 3680
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Originally posted by dresf
Okay, ran into a possible issue today. My previous macros for the remote always powered off the 6412 when I shut down the PJ and the rest of the equipment which would render my scheduled recordings void. Apparently a scheduled recording does not "wake up" the box. So I had the macro changed to leave the box always on. After recording a program last night with the rest of the system off the box shut itself down which makes no sense to me. Anyone else experience this or have an explanation.

I also macro my remote to shut everthing off including the box whenever I'm not watching it. BUT, I haven't missed a single recording because of it. I was wondering tho, have you noticed a slight hiss (hard to describe) whenever turning channels?? Also, I might be imagining this but I've been recording anything Six Feet Under and noticed one night that a show was recorded even though I didn't schedule it to. It turns out it automatically did a 'season pass' where it recorded it anytime the show was on. Either the passport software is more "tivo-ish" than I thought OR I accidentally hit the record entire series on the previous recording. Does anyone know if the passport software is even capable or smart enough to do this?

Oh, and I called Cox the beginning of August to get rid of Starz. Anyways, I asked when they would be upgrading the passport software for dual tuners and the rep said in a few weeks. I'm hoping that means by the end of September but I'm guessing "in a few weeks" means months.
post #108 of 3680
Powering off the box has no effect on scheduled recordings... it just has to be plugged in of course... this is one of the first things I tried with the 6412 and can confirm for sure it will still record whatever is scheduled. The Passport software does have a series record option similar to Season Pass. Also, after scheduling a recording you can go back to list of scheduled recordings and adjust several options on them such as priorities, pre and post padding, particular channel or any channel, particular days of the week, etc.
post #109 of 3680
I suspect that your power off problems stems from the way that Moto handles standby. The system cannot maintain a recording when transitioning in or out of standby so each ISV did something a little different to deal with this. MS FE 1.7 has a "pseudo-standby" mode designed to make it act like standby in every way so there should be no end-user impact (as long as you don't plan on going to the moto diagnostics screens or video output menus).

It's little things like this that oftentimes are critical for people who have lived with DVR for a while but don't get considered by many who don't use the product but make the decisions.
post #110 of 3680
Thread Starter 
Check out this link: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....lar&id=611110&


It appears that we may be rolling soon, although as of noon CST today I had not recieved the upgrade.
post #111 of 3680
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It appears that we may be rolling soon, although as of noon CST today I had not recieved the upgrade.

I've done some checking and it looks like the upgrade isn't going to be happening any second now. Apparently there are some issues that, although minor, still need to be resolved. It will, however, be sooner rather than later.
post #112 of 3680
I'll bet that their problems stem from the fact that to record two shows while watching a previously recorded one, would be close to the hard drive's physical speed limit. Especially if you consider HD format. That drive is IDE based. IDE's problem is that it can either record or read at any one time. It can not do both.

I wish that they could at least give us the ability to watch a live show while recording another and worry about all that other stuff later. As it is right now, I can't record any sports shows cause my wife won't be able to watch TV.
post #113 of 3680
Awesome! Thanks for posting the press release. I thought for sure that it would be awile yet before we saw the 2 tuner capability. That "on-screen keyboard" search will be nice too. I don't know if other people are using the title search, but right now it's not the best. You can only narrow things by first letter and then have to scroll to find the show. That can get pretty tiresome in a letter like "p," for instance, which has a thousand entries for "paid program." The "enhanced recording options" sound like what we have now, though, except maybe the recording after a show has started. Can we already do that?
post #114 of 3680
Thread Starter 
I don't think the press release was intended to say that the upgrade would be rolling immediately, but here in ICT I am thinking perhaps very early morning Sunday, just a theory. That is typically when new service or channels are added and Sunday Sept. 12th is the day that we get Fox on the HD tier. But I have just heard that someone was told that it would be in the next 2-4 weeks:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...04#post4326304
post #115 of 3680
I was told that we'll know when the upgrade happens. Cox will send out some sort of letter notifying us of the upgrade before it happens. I don't know whether or not the letter will give an actual date, but it will give us a better of idea of when to start being anxious.
post #116 of 3680
Thread Starter 
"Cox will send out some sort of letter notifying us"

Gosh, that'd be a first. But I'd rather just be surprised. Half the fun is the agony of anticipation
post #117 of 3680
Here's the latest on my dvi problem I posted about earlier in this thread. Yesterday I received a new 15ft. cable from Blue Jeans Cable after returning a 15ft. and 10ft. cables to Pacific Cable. I had to pull the TV (Mits 48413) out a bit further from the wall in order to get everything hooked up. I turned everything on, and I finally had a picture over DVI resembling something usuable. It happened to be on an analog channel, so it looked like crap, but at least it wasn't green and full of static. I was feeling pretty good as I shut everything off again and moved the TV back into proper position. Then the green static returned! As it turns out, I guess I didn't have the cable set quite right in the TV input. I don't know how everyone else's TVs are, but there seems to be a lot of flex and play on how the DVI cable fits. On my second attempt I was able to get the two screws fully into position whereas they just didn't seem to want to go on my first attempt. Now I'm thinking that maybe my whole problem with the first cables were user error, although I'm amazed that after as many times as I unplugged and re-plugged them to try and fix the problems that at no time were they ever right. I guess the lesson to all is to really check those connections if you're having DVI problems, even though I thought I had repeatedly !

As far as the pic quality, I definitely notice a difference. I have applied the same user and PerfectColor settings derived via Avia on my DVD component input to the component and DVI inputs for the cable box. The DVI connection has a very noticible differenence in red. It was also several notches brighter resulting in an initially washed-out picture. I dropped the brightness a few notches and it seems to be much better. It might also be slightly sharper. As I said, the TV settings are the same, so this has to be a result of either the different connection or the cheap component cables. I'm using the cables on the 6412 that were provided by Cox, and they're probably about 10-12ft. I'm hoping this weekend to do a comparison with my AR Master series cables that are currently on the dvd player.

One thing I haven't figured out is how these two components are/aren't interacting. I get the DVI connection working and then turn everything off. At this point I can turn either component on first and everything still works fine. However, the last couple of times I've turned everything off and gone away for several hours, it seems as though they've had a fight at some point and are no longer on speaking terms . It's happened about 3 times, and I've been able to get things flowing again by pushing the menu button while the 6412 is off (which gives you the screen where you set TV type, scanning rate, etc.) I haven't tried it yet with only the DVI connected. Is it possible that the 6412 recognizes the component connection and defaults to it? In the mean time I'm going to go back and try to re-read the comments from other 6412 DVI users, and hope that Cox will include a DVI tweak with the dual tuner software.
post #118 of 3680
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Originally posted by oleus
for motorola HD pvr users who have been reporting DVI failures, how common is this? i am running a 30' DVI connection from my 6208 to my projector and it works great, for the most part, even though i occasionally get small little green flicker lines that only last a split second.

anyone else get this? it seems to happen every few minutes.

I just got my DVI connection working, but I've noticed these horizontal green flickers every once and awhile over my component connection. I always attributed it to digital glitching in the signal more than a problem in the connection between the 6412 and the display.

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Originally posted by dresf
I am talking about the channel breakup/brief pixelization, and the subscription messages now and then. I checked the firmware and it is still 8.03. You may check firmware by turning box off, then pressing select within 2 seconds (I think) then scroll down the options I forget which one gives the firmware version.
I have a secret agent at cox and they felt it would be fall at earliest for dual tuner functionality.

I get this "subscription needed" error fairly regularly. It always happens on the HD channels, and I can usually get things working by changing channels and waiting for a second while things seem to "catch up." Occasionally I also get just a black screen when I power on the unit and it was last on an HD channel.
post #119 of 3680
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Originally posted by Brett Miles

One thing I haven't figured out is how these two components are/aren't interacting. I get the DVI connection working and then turn everything off. At this point I can turn either component on first and everything still works fine. However, the last couple of times I've turned everything off and gone away for several hours, it seems as though they've had a fight at some point and are no longer on speaking terms . It's happened about 3 times, and I've been able to get things flowing again by pushing the menu button while the 6412 is off (which gives you the screen where you set TV type, scanning rate, etc.)

I'm having this problem too and it appears to be a known bug. Like you, bringing up the menu when 6412 is off fixes the problem, but doing this kills anything that may be currently recording - and by kill I mean it doesn't even save the program to that point - just throws it away. This is very annoying since it makes watching a program while it's still recording impossible once I have turned the TV off. The problem is still there regardless if component connection is also active or not. I'm hoping the dual tuner upgrade will somehow fix this, but not holding my breath. I would suggest you contact your Cox tech support and report the problem as they don't seem to think this is a widespread issue. There's nothing they can do about it themselves, but if they get enough complaints hopefully this will help expedite a fix for the problem.
post #120 of 3680
Thread Starter 
As a matter of fact, this is a well known problem. But there are not too many people who are using the DVI input, which in my opinion is not really the issue. My spies tell me that the DVI issue is being earnestly worked on, but to fix it correctly requires input from Motorola, pioneer, and the cable provider, and having all of the software sync together is more of an issue than we feel it is.
My opinion: given the numbers and the demand, the dual tuner and some enhanced functionality is priority

On the more bad news side: The DVI fix IS NOT in the dual tuner upgrade. 1stQ-2005 is expected to be the soonest.
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