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post #1621 of 1899
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Originally Posted by beowulf7 View Post

Has the digitally-amplified receiver phenomenon passed?

I hope not!

I live in a condo, so my amp power requirements are pretty low. And at the same time I'd like to get something that's more power efficient. Digital amps seem to fit the bill.

There are a lot of great threads here for the SA-XRxx models, and for some of the JVC's too. I thought about getting one of those, but they're so old now that I assume there's something better out there

I need:
HDMI switching (at least 2 inputs; doesn't need to be HDMI 1.3, but that's a good bonus)
5.1 or 7.1
relatively small (something that's as big as a typical DVD player)
Close to $300

Ok...I can't think of any more needs, but I'm sure they'll pop up later.

Anyone have any suggestions on a new digitial amp reciever that meets these requirements?
post #1622 of 1899
Well, given how well the digitals performed, as rated by industry professionals, reviewers and consumers, one has to question why they have, in fact, died. We're already on the 3rd generation of BD/HD-dvd players and the most up to date digital receiver was released with that first generation. By my count, pioneer has gone through 7 generations of their analog receivers in the same range in the time that panasonic has gone through 2.5 generations of their digitals. Is it just limp brained consumers who equate weight with quality or a lack of will among the marketers at those manufacturers capable of producing high quality digitals. We may never know, but if not dead, digitals are on life support.
post #1623 of 1899
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

Well, given how well the digitals performed, as rated by industry professionals, reviewers and consumers, one has to question why they have, in fact, died. We're already on the 3rd generation of BD/HD-dvd players and the most up to date digital receiver was released with that first generation. By my count, pioneer has gone through 7 generations of their analog receivers in the same range in the time that panasonic has gone through 2.5 generations of their digitals. Is it just limp brained consumers who equate weight with quality or a lack of will among the marketers at those manufacturers capable of producing high quality digitals. We may never know, but if not dead, digitals are on life support.

It's sad that the digi-amp'ed receiver "fad" has apparently come and passed. I was hoping I could find some solid digital receivers for my HTS in progress. But after accepting reality, I pre-ordered a traditional amplified receiver (Onkyo 605), which should arrive within the next week or 2.
post #1624 of 1899
Yep it is a bit sad, tho i'm still happy as with my old XR45, i guess we are still closer to cave men than we think amp big, amp heavy, amp good haha
post #1625 of 1899
Perhaps digitally amplified receivers are just a little ahead of their time and will make a comeback later in the future. Who knows.
post #1626 of 1899
Any movement in the Digital Amplifier world this year? I finally got around to replacing my old Onkyo with a Panny SA-XR55, and I can't hear a difference. Is there anything with HDMI 1.3 on the horizon? Not that it's critical for me at the moment, but it would be nice to know that Class D amp tech hasn't completely vanished from the consumer marketplace. Inexpensive, efficient, and great-sounding amps that take up half the space? What's not to love?
post #1627 of 1899
Rumour has it that the new Pioneer LX90 will have ICEpower amps - that should be a keeper - but it won't be cheap.
post #1628 of 1899
Yeah, 250 watts per channel of cool power. Or buy a cheaper HDMI 1.3 receiver and add a multi-channel ICEpower amp.
post #1629 of 1899
I got my Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I tried to hold out for a digital one, but lack of news and HDMI 1.3 drove me to a traditional receiver. My parents will be looking for another receiver (they currently have a Kenwood 7100 - digital, of course) for their bedroom TV. They strongly prefer something small and light. Maybe I'll tell them to get the Panasonic SA-XR57.
post #1630 of 1899
Hmm... I find it pretty sad that companies aren't releasing slim(er) receivers lately. That's exactly what I need but I may have to reconsider. The only units that meet my criteria (3 optical in, 1 optical out) are Panasonic's XR70S and XR45 but they are 3-4 years old
post #1631 of 1899
Panasonic's receiver Web page sucks. They show 4 receivers (all digi-amp'ed), but one can't compare them directly. After digging around, I was able to compare the receivers, but the specs are incomplete.

Anyway, I did see the SA-XR57 at Fry's Electronics last weekend. It has HDMI, but probably an old version of it. RIP, digi-amp'ed receivers.
post #1632 of 1899
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Originally Posted by raygundan View Post

Any movement in the Digital Amplifier world this year? I finally got around to replacing my old Onkyo with a Panny SA-XR55, and I can't hear a difference. Is there anything with HDMI 1.3 on the horizon? Not that it's critical for me at the moment, but it would be nice to know that Class D amp tech hasn't completely vanished from the consumer marketplace. Inexpensive, efficient, and great-sounding amps that take up half the space? What's not to love?

I just stumbled across this thread and was wondering if someone could steer me toward a "pro" review of the Panasonic SA-XR57. I have a spkr system on the way and need a > $300 avr. David
post #1633 of 1899
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Originally Posted by dcgilbert View Post

I just stumbled across this thread and was wondering if someone could steer me toward a "pro" review of the Panasonic SA-XR57. I have a spkr system on the way and need a > $300 avr. David

Did you do a Google search for "Panasonic SA-XR57 reviews" (w/o quotes)? Here are few of the ones I found:
AVS Forum user reviews
http://www.hometheatermag.com/plasma...er mag. review
Epinions user reviews

IMO, user reviews can be as helpful, if not more, than a "professional" one.
post #1634 of 1899
post #1635 of 1899
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Originally Posted by SiriuslyCold View Post

Pioneer LX90
http://www.avland.co.uk/pioneer/sclx90/sclx90.htm
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/content/...ws/sclx90.html

ICEPowered 200wx7 or 140wx10(!)

Wow, that is powerful. That's 1st Web site looks like it was designed by a 3 year-old.

Just when I thought digital was dead, I read a raving review in this month's "Home Theater" mag. on a new receiver, that currently escapes my mind. I'll edit this post when I get a chance to reread that article (which won't be until Sun. at the earliest since I'll be out of town).

BTW, congrats on hitting exactly 2,000 posts!
post #1636 of 1899
I have a JVC RX-411 that says no lower than a 6 ohm speaker load. It presents a problem as we were hoping to keep our wonderful KEF 103.3s for front mains. The problem is they are rated at 4 ohms. How risky is this to run them on this amp? What is at greater risk, the speakers or the receiver?

If this is a no go, we'll need to come up with a good match for a smallish living room setup. High WAF is required (aka small speakers please). What is a good match? We've looked at KEF 2005.2 and 3005. I am looking online at a set of Aperions. We don't listen at very high volumes. What efficient speakers would be a good match for this receiver?
post #1637 of 1899
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Originally Posted by begreen View Post

If this is a no go, we'll need to come up with a good match for a smallish living room setup. High WAF is required (aka small speakers please).

Athena Micra 6.... had them for two years.... fantastic!

You should find a 5.1 packaged set for under $350

http://www.athenaspeakers.com/v2/cla...Micra+6+System
post #1638 of 1899
Great tip grider, thanks. I think we are going to spring for a bit larger mid-range. For day to day listening (wife's background music) I'd like a system that sounds ok without the sub running. She will most likely forget to turn it off. This means either getting one with a woofer that automatically turns itself off when no signal present, or one that sounds pretty good for background music with it off.

What is amazing me is that on our short list, outside of the KEF system, all are from Canada and begin with A. (Athena, Ascend, Axiom)
post #1639 of 1899
6.1:
LG AR702 300 EUR

7.1 AV Receivers:
JVC RX-D411 500 - 600 EUR
Panasonic SA-XR58 400 EUR
Panasonic SA-XR59 450 EUR
Samsung AV-R720 300 EUR
post #1640 of 1899
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Originally Posted by drSeehas View Post

6.1:
LG AR702 300 EUR

7.1 AV Receivers:
JVC RX-D411 500 - 600 EUR
Panasonic SA-XR58 400 EUR
Panasonic SA-XR59 450 EUR
Samsung AV-R720 300 EUR

I would love to hear one of those Panasonic's, but they don't seem to be available here in the USA. Anyone know of a source here?
post #1641 of 1899
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Originally Posted by Steelheart1948 View Post

I would love to hear one of those Panasonic's, ...

The SA-XR58 is the SA-XR57 plus setup micro und Xover frequ. of the SA-XR700.
The SA-XR59 ist the SA-XR58 plus a second HDMI in.
That's it. Same sound as the SA-XR57 or SA-XR700.
post #1642 of 1899
How about the Samsung, any info on how it compares to the pannys? Not much on the web.

I'll take this opportunity to make another request that this thread be restuck (stickied?) Digital amps have not become common-place as was the stated reason for unsticking this thread, and it is really the best (and unfortunately that's not saying much) source of information on digital amps on the web.
post #1643 of 1899
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Originally Posted by Steelheart1948 View Post

I would love to hear one of those Panasonic's, but they don't seem to be available here in the USA. Anyone know of a source here?

I tried amazon, but unfortunately: "Dieser Artikel kann leider nicht an den von Ihnen gew├╝nschten Ort versandt werden. Sie k├Ânnen entweder die Versandadresse ├Ąndern oder den Artikel aus Ihrer Bestellung l├Âschen, indem Sie die St├╝ckzahl auf 0 setzen und anschlie├čend auf "Aktualisieren" klicken"

In other words, no dice. Though I do find "klicken" very funny.

Ten minutes after I post my plea for this thread to be restuck it's already halfway down the page under more posts about incremental upgrades in old-tech receivers. It may be necessary to start bumping this thread every day to get it back online.
post #1644 of 1899
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

How about the Samsung, any info on how it compares to the pannys? Not much on the web...

I don't have anything comparing these receivers, but for the Samsung look at
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.co...720_GB-GER.pdf
(german)
http://www.samsung.com/at/presscente...er_AV-R720.pdf
(german)
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.co...A-ENG-0821.pdf
(14 MB)
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/con...720STfinal.pdf
http://pvi.samsung.de/getDownloadFil...B-6DAEAEE32C25
(german)
post #1645 of 1899
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

I tried amazon, but unfortunately: "Dieser Artikel kann leider nicht an den von Ihnen gew├╝nschten Ort versandt werden. Sie k├Ânnen entweder die Versandadresse ├Ąndern oder den Artikel aus Ihrer Bestellung l├Âschen, indem Sie die St├╝ckzahl auf 0 setzen und anschlie├čend auf "Aktualisieren" klicken"
...

Quick translation:
Unfortunately this article can't be delivered to your place. You can either change the address or delete the article in your basket setting the quantity to 0 and click on "Aktualisieren".
It makes sense as the power in europe is double the power in the US and Canada (240 V vs. 120 V).
post #1646 of 1899
Well, the JVC started acting up last night. Twice, watching "Three Burials" (great movie) it failed. The first time it shut off the video and had to be turned off then on again. The second time it shut off the sound. Each time was at a peak transient, a very loud sound. I don't remember the first, but the second was a rifle shot and it just shut itself off. We have it set up in a smallish livingroom and don't have it set very loud, so this was a complete surprise. The speakers are about 12 feet from our sofa. The sound level was the same level (30) we have set it at for several other movie with lots of noise, booms and bangs. I turned it back on and noticed it was feeding the projector a 480i signal. We watched the rest of the movie at a subdued volume, but the impact was not quite the same. Fortunately the movie was so good, I could forget the amp, temporarily.

I need to know if this a loser model? Is it unable to handle strong transients, or just defective? The receiver gets very hot, even at low level background music levels. For this reason it is totally in the open. I have to admit being very disappointed. It's a month old and I need to decide whether to try to return it (Vanns), call JVC ofr repair, or sell it. And if I sell it, what to get?
post #1647 of 1899
Since yamaha ysp only does stereo pcm, how is it compared to the forthcoming panasonic saxr 59?
Will the panasonic do multichannel pcm?
I have sony playstation three for blue ray and look forward to hear better sound than stereo.
post #1648 of 1899
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Originally Posted by strpyw View Post

... the forthcoming panasonic saxr 59?
Will the panasonic do multichannel pcm?
...

Panasonic germany says the SA-XR59 will do 5.1 multichannel PCM, the SA-XR700 will do 7.1 multichannel PCM. The SA-XR57 does 5.1 multichannel PCM.
post #1649 of 1899
Here's the Panasonic Austrailia page link for the SA-X59: http://panasonic.com.au/products/det...?objectID=3895
There's little data on HDMI PCM In/Out path other than it supports 7.1.

Could someone summarize the differences between the SA-XR700, the XR57 and XR59? I still don't understand why the XR700 has a $200 higher street price, nor the difference in audio amps between the XR59 and XR700.
post #1650 of 1899
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Originally Posted by begreen View Post

... So what are the differences between the X57 and X59?

The setup/calibration microphone, *two* HDMI inputs and more Xover frequencies (80 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 140 Hz, 160 Hz, 180 Hz, and 200 Hz).
The XR700 shall doing Triple-Amp without Bi-Wiring.
The XR700 has the same design than the Panasonic blu-ray player (and you pay easily more for blu-ray, don't you?).
And according to Panasonic germany the XR59 is only capable of 5.1 PCM instead of 7.1 PCM over HDMI.
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