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post #1741 of 1899
Perhaps this list could be broken into a chart where the top contains all the features and the left column contains the receivers. Thoughts?

Tell you what, if I get a couple volunteers, I will create a couple of web pages. One for entering receivers and their info, the other for displaying this data and it could be filtered.

Thoughts? PM me if interested.

I know this would really help me as I am looking for recommendations at the moment.
post #1742 of 1899
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Originally Posted by spec1alk View Post

... I think at the time (in 2004) it likely made sense to have a list of "digital" HT receivers since there were only a few dozen. Now, it seems like this list would be several hundred, if not thousands, of items strong.....

Hm, I think there are only a handful Class D (digital) HT receivers on the market right now.

This is the sad part about this great technology. I hope there are more coming.

But yes, the list should be kept updated, in whatever manner is most efficient.
post #1743 of 1899
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

Hm, I think there are only a handful Class D (digital) HT receivers on the market right now.

This is the sad part about this great technology. I hope there are more coming.

But yes, the list should be kept updated, in whatever manner is most efficient.

?? What is a digital HT Receiver then? I thought it was one that supported digital sound formats.
post #1744 of 1899
post #1745 of 1899
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Originally Posted by bigrig View Post

Class D amps! Random google hit: http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=ts122001

Can you dumb that down? It is a little too technical of reading for this early in the morning.
post #1746 of 1899
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Originally Posted by spec1alk View Post

Can you dumb that down? It is a little too technical of reading for this early in the morning.

Well, here is another explanation, fairly simple if you ignore the formulas:

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/pwm.htm

Basically, think of Class D as more efficient, smaller, cooler (both figuratively and not) and often cheaper to produce.

This last part is what may be the bane of the technology, from the standpoint of the major producers of the currently most common Class AB designs.

It's harder to convince the consumer to spend thousands on something which contains relatively inexpensive parts, with little room for esoteric, expensive sounding components.

That, and the fact that Class D are compact and usually light, which current marketing has termed to equal cheap and low quality.

But for my money, Class D rules.
post #1747 of 1899
I think my old receiver has a dead channel, but that is another post. My speakers are rated at 95 watts (klisph) Do I need a 100 watt reciever? any suggestions. I want middle of the road system with hdmi. There are some good deals on the hk ebay store. would this be a nice unit? harman kardon 2600 only rated at 65 watts.
post #1748 of 1899
never mind I am dumb today.
post #1749 of 1899
Is Pulsus PS9830B inside Samsung HW-C700 Class D amp (digital receiver) ? Crystal Amp Pro = Pulsus PS9830B ? It just consume around 20-25 watt compare to my TX-SR607 around 80-90 watt (using Kill A Watt).

post #1750 of 1899
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Originally Posted by CowoJawa View Post

Is Pulsus PS9830B inside Samsung HW-C700 Class D amp (digital receiver) ? Crystal Amp Pro = Pulsus PS9830B ? It just consume around 20-25 watt compare to my TX-SR607 around 80-90 watt (using Kill A Watt).
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Is there a current gen receiver (capable of decoding lossless formats) that uses Class-D (Apart from the Samsung HW-C700 and the Pioneer SC series) ? Any new receivers coming up from JVC or Panasonic?
post #1751 of 1899
My 2c worth.

Sony are still producing the TA-DA9100ES flagship multi-channel integrated amplifier.

This uses S-Master Pro amplification like the discontinued DA9000ES and DA7100ES.

I believe this is now the only all-digital multi-channel amp.

Sadly it has only ever been sold in Japan.

Nick
post #1752 of 1899
Samsung has eliminated the audio D/A converter in this 700 receiver yet no one is even discussing it, even when the sound quality is superior.
The irony of inexpensive yet superior technology in beer budget gear will turn the market on its head.
Lets see how long it take for the industry professionals to admit it. A great experiment in human nature. My bet is 1-2 years.
post #1753 of 1899
I have a panasonic digital receiver, but question an assertion that the Samsung is cynically superior
post #1754 of 1899
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Originally Posted by JSchulte View Post

I have a panasonic digital receiver, but question an assertion that the Samsung is cynically superior

Gee, I asked myself the same question having owned a Panasonic digital receiver too. Texas instruments let their digital amplifier die, even worse than the fate for their DLP technology.
Both are, incidentally, good examples of why Asia becoming the economic powerhouse of the 2ist century, no questions asked.
post #1755 of 1899
List of surround sound recievers: not a complete list but I hope it helps someone.

5.1 Recievers
Denon AVR-591 75watts X 5 $349
Denon AVR-590 75watts X 5 $349
Denon AVR-391 75watts X 5 $349
Onkyo TX-SR308 100watts X5 $299
Pioneer VSX-520-K 90watts X5 $229
Pioneer VSX-820-K 60watts X5 $299
Rotel RSX-1550 100watts X5



7.1 Recievers
Denon AVR-790 90watts X 7 $499
Denon AVR-791 90watts X 7 $499
Denon AVR-890 100watts X 7 $799
Denon AVR-891 100watts X 7 $799
Denon AVR-990 120watts X 7 $1499
Denon AVR-991 125watts X 7 $999
Denon AVR-1610 75watts X 7 $379
Denon AVR-1611 75watts X 7 $399
Denon AVR-1910 90watts X 7 $549
Denon AVR-1911 90watts X 7 $599
Denon AVR-2310ci 105watts X 7 $849
Denon AVR-2311ci 105watts X 7 $899
Denon AVR-3310ci 120watts X 7 $1499
Denon AVR-3311ci 125watts X 7 $1199
Denon AVR-4310ci 130watts X 7 $1999
Denon AVR-4810ci 140watts X 7 $2999
Denon AVR-5308ci 150watts X 7 $5500
Onkyo HT-CR260 100watts X7 $499
Onkyo HT-CR270 100watts X7 $849
Onkyo TX-SR508 80watts X7 $399
Onkyo TX-SR608 100watts X7 $599
Onkyo TX-SR707 100watts X7 $899
Onkyo TX-SR708 110watts X7 $899
Onkyo TX-SR807 135watts X7 $1099
Onkyo TX-SR808 135watts X7 $1099
Onkyo TX-SR1007 135watts X7 $1599
Onkyo TX-SR1008 135watts X7 $1599
Onkyo TX-SR3007 140watts X7 $2099
Onkyo TX-SR3008 140watts X7 $2099
Onkyo TX-SR5007 145watts X7 $2699
Onkyo TX-SR5008 140watts X7 $2699
Pioneer VSX-920-K 80watts X7 $399
Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K 120watts X7 $399
Pioneer VSX-1020-K 90watts X7 $549
Pioneer VSX-1120-K 90watts X7 $749
Pioneer Elite VSX-30 80watts X7 $550
Pioneer Elite VSX-31 80watts X7 $650
Pioneer Elite VSX-32 110watts X7 $800
Pioneer Elite VSX-33 110watts X7 $1000
Pioneer Elite VSX-35 140watts X7 $1600
Pioneer Elite VSX-37 140watts X7 $2200
Pioneer Elite SC-09 TX 140watts X10 $3999 Reg$7000
Marantz SR-5005 100watts X 7 $799.99
Marantz SR-6005 110watts X 7 $999.99
Marantz SR-7005 125watts X 7 $1599.99
Rotel RSX-1560 100watts X7
Sony SRT-DH510 80watts X 7 $229.99
Sony SRT-DH710 90watts X 7 $299.99
Sony SRT-DH810 90watts X 7 $399.99
Sony SRT-DN1010 90watts X 7 $499.99
Sony SRT-DN2010 90watts X 7 $799.99
Sony STR-DA6400ES 130watts X7
Sony STR-DA5500ES
Integra DTR-80.1 145watts X7
Integra DTR-70.1 140watts X7
Integra DTR-50.2 135watts X7
Integra DTR-50.1 130watts X7
Integra DTR-40.2 110watts X7
Integra DTR-40.1 100watts X7
post #1756 of 1899
Wow, that is a pretty large list! All of these use Class D/digital amplification?
post #1757 of 1899
No
Class A/B
post #1758 of 1899
ah, so. Thanks.
Was gonna say....
post #1759 of 1899
New Marantz NR1601 looks very good -- slim, reasonably powerful, and -- unlike Sherwood AVR mentioned on previous page -- supports upconversion, 3D, 1.4a, and standby passthrough.

It's very new, so the only review I've come across is at CNET -- http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...ml?tag=rvwBody
post #1760 of 1899
The Marantz NR1601 is NOT digital nor class D Though.
The Sherwood mentioned is...

Although it does look like a good choice if space is limited.
post #1761 of 1899
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Originally Posted by kchilaka View Post

Is there a current gen receiver (capable of decoding lossless formats) that uses Class-D (Apart from the Samsung HW-C700 and the Pioneer SC series) ? Any new receivers coming up from JVC or Panasonic?

The reason I jump to HW-C700 because less heat to my bedroom (above 100° F summer here) and two of my subs using Class-D amplifier (SuperCube I), so I'm newbie for digital receivers. I didn't know Pioneer SC series digital receivers, thanks for the info... :-)
post #1762 of 1899
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

Texas Instruments let their digital amplifier die, even worse than the fate for their DLP technology.

Is this Texas Instruments chip ? (extra pic from inside my HW-C700)

post #1763 of 1899
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Originally Posted by CowoJawa View Post

Is this Texas Instruments chip ? (extra pic from inside my HW-C700)[/IMG]

I'd say the "ti" logo gives it away

Texas Instruments Logo
post #1764 of 1899
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Originally Posted by CowoJawa View Post

Is this Texas Instruments chip ? (extra pic from inside my HW-C700)

I took me 3 hours to remove this chip using a small soldering iron and a pair of tweezers. After much experimentation I determined that only the Dolby and DTS functionality was missing. I made sure the mute button was set to "off" too. Any other great mysteries just letme know guys. Gotta go watch Waiting for Superman now!
post #1765 of 1899
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

I'd say the "ti" logo gives it away

Thanks Ryan I didn't know thats "ti" logo, no wonder there is Texas map on it
post #1766 of 1899
Hi HiFiFun... So which one is the "digital amp chip" inside HW-C700 ? Pulsus PS9830B or Texas Instruments DSP chip ?
post #1767 of 1899
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

I took me 3 hours to remove this chip using a small soldering iron and a pair of tweezers. After much experimentation I determined that only the Dolby and DTS functionality was missing. I made sure the mute button was set to "off" too. Any other great mysteries just letme know guys. Gotta go watch Waiting for Superman now!

That seems like a very hard way to figure this out I'm glad it worked out ok for you

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Originally Posted by CowoJawa View Post

Hi HiFiFun... So which one is the "digital amp chip" inside HW-C700 ? Pulsus PS9830B or Texas Instruments DSP chip ?

The TI handles audio processing only, not amplification. The Pulsus makes the class-d amplifier tech here.
post #1768 of 1899
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Originally Posted by drawz View Post

The TI handles audio processing only, not amplification. The Pulsus makes the class-d

amplifier tech here.

Thanks drawz.. I hope you guys can learn something from this picture inside my empty Samsung HW-C700 because I

still need to learn more from this forum

post #1769 of 1899
[quote=Dave Moritz;19153266]List of surround sound recievers: not a complete list but I hope it helps someone.

I realize this is a long shot, but are/were you a pilot who used to live in San Diego before transferred to AZ??

Tom
{ACM}
post #1770 of 1899
Great pics! A couple of things I noticed:

1. The board is listed as C500/C700, implying it's the same PCB at least. I'm sure there are differences in the components used.
2. There are some IR (International Rectifier) chips near that Pulsus chip. IR makes a number of ICs for class-d amplification. I wonder if you could give us the model #'s of those chips - I can't quite read them in the pics. Perhaps IR is involved in the Pulsus class-d amp solution?

Not sure what else there is to be learned from those pics at this point, but thanks!

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Originally Posted by CowoJawa View Post

Thanks drawz.. I hope you guys can learn something from this picture inside my empty Samsung HW-C700 because I

still need to learn more from this forum

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