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post #391 of 1899
TAS5518 Info

The PDF

Little more info

I haven't read the specs but I'm guessing (and I may be wrong) it's an updated version of the TAS5508.
post #392 of 1899
Does anyone know which of these new receivers have A/V sync delay controls? Specifically does the panny saxr 70?
post #393 of 1899
Check the manual:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/SAXR70.PDF

But I don't think it does.
post #394 of 1899
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Originally posted by rogo
Check the manual:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/SAXR70.PDF

But I don't think it does.

It's about time Panasonic posted the manual for the SA-XR70!
post #395 of 1899
onkyo enters the digital amp receiver game:

http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i
Perhaps you want to maximize space in your entertainment room. Or perhaps you don't yet feel the need for the dizzying array of inputs and outputs available on our top-end receivers. Either way, the TX-LR552 6.1-channel digital A/V receiver may be just what you're looking for. Behind its elegant, user-friendly faceplate lurks a wealth of Onkyo know-how. Incorporating our latest digital amplification technology, the TX-LR552 generates full-bodied, discrete 6.1-channel surround sound with 65 W/Ch for all channels. Add the latest multi-channel decoders from Dolby® and DTS®, upconversion to component video for all video sources, and the convenience of automatic speaker detection, and the TX-LR552 has virtually all your home theater needs well and truly covered. Team it up with the DVD player and speakers of your choice, and you have the heart and soul of a great home theater.

saw it in stock at Fry's Electronics already. Not hooked up so I couldn't listen to it.

Front:


Back:
post #396 of 1899
I wonder why so many of the new digitals coming out are still 6.1? Are they having a tough time coming up with the power to drive 7 channels?
post #397 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by metaline
Does anyone know which of these new receivers have A/V sync delay controls? Specifically does the panny saxr 70?

I know for a fact the HK DPR 2005 has it, I assume the 1005 has as well.
post #398 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by beowulf7
It's about time Panasonic posted the manual for the SA-XR70!

Looks like they removed the option of selecting a xover point. That's just as well as the previous options were 100, 150, and 200
post #399 of 1899
Very interesting re: the New Onkyo Receiver. Do you guys think the 65wpc ratings are with all channels driven? If so, I am surprised because the typical consumer for a more inexpensive receiver will be easily swayed by bigger power numbers. If that is not an all channel driven power rating, this thing is seriously down on power compared to its competition.

Either way, I think it's a very good looking unit although I surprised they have omitted any an aux input on the front.
post #400 of 1899
geee !! now it is getting messy .... how might this Onkyo compare to hte Panny ???
post #401 of 1899
ALL "spring clips"..... hmmmm

what "solution" do they use???? Equipbit (ie TI)???? Something else?
post #402 of 1899
This onkyo looks nice but 65 watts at 6 Ohms sounds a little weak. it may not mean much in real world power though. The Panny tested out at 82 watts per channel with 5 channels in Sound and Vision mag.

now we need someone to pick one up and test it out. I saw the $399 price on the Onky web site. What is the price at Fry's?
post #403 of 1899
most of the digitally amped receivers are using the digital amps to make lower-end receivers that are smaller and good sounding. I wish they would concentrate more on the high end and trickle down from there, so that they could use a larger cost budget and milk the digital amp technology for all the sound quality they can get out of it...rather than the approach now, which is to use the tech to get pretty good sound quality out of a cheap box.

so far the only one to take my suggested approach has been HK. When the high end makes delve into digital amps, then we'll see what its really capable of.
post #404 of 1899
yes but there is many a comment on the panny "sounding" better than the HK at a fraction of the cost.

and a Modded panny still way under the HK well...... no comparison
post #405 of 1899
but the point is...why doesn't panny make a "pre-modded" version with higher quality components and less compromises for size/cost. I'm sure they could do more than the modders if they lifted the size/cost restrictions on their engineers since they have access to the actual circuit layout, design, and component selection/placement.

when the rotel, nad and the like come out with digital amps then it will be really interesting.
post #406 of 1899
I don't know if Panasonic could sell many receivers at a say, $800 price point with really high quality components. Their market doesn't seem to capture that audience.

However, they are definitely wise to what audiophiles are saying about their equipment, the manual for the XR70 describes how to biamp your speakers and even how to engage a "biamp" mode.
post #407 of 1899
vishal,

exactly. while us net reseach boffins may "know" better. The average audio enthusist whom relys on other 'means" of info would be unlikely to consider "panasonic" as more expensive pricing.

also hi-fi mags will likely not mention such units too high.... or in high sted (the "odd" review i have read on the XR45... is almost blatent lies in comparison to other equipment reviews)

Panasonic does not advertise much (if any) in such mags and they are not "willing" to shoot themselves in the foot
post #408 of 1899
To understand why Panasonic does not design/market higher end audio products you need to back into the 80s' when Matsushita (parent Japanese company) marketed 2 brands of audio products. The 1st brand was Technics which was a very extensive brand that dominated receivers, components, direct drive turntables and cassette tape decks. The 2nd brand was Panasonic which was very strong in music systems, integrated components but of lower power/quality.

Next...
Somewhere within the higher ranks of Matsushita, a brilliant decision was concluded...
That the Panasonic brand could provide all of the sale and profits,
that had been delivered by the sales of the quality audio components marketed under the brand of Technics. Then they would only have the marketing expenses of one brand and that the consumer would still buy the product under either Technics or Pansonic brand....
Sounded good but it backfired big time..
Virtually overnite once this announcement was made, any dealer or consumer having a Technics products instantly found that it had dropped significantly in $ value. So the dealer marketing network responded by dumping all of their unsold Technics products/stock... When the dust finally settled corporate Matsushita, realized too late that they destroyed the Technics brand while throwing away tens of $ millions..

Later when they tried to reverse their original decision and reintroduce the Technics brands/products the market turned their back as they didn't want to get burnt again.. They did sell a lot of Technics Direct Drive turntables later on but for the most part, Matsushita has decided to just stay with the Panasonic brand..
post #409 of 1899
Wow great post M Code. I never knew that is what happened to Technics. Interesting stuff.
Thank you
post #410 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by collin
onkyo enters the digital amp receiver game:

http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i
Perhaps you want to maximize space in your entertainment room. Or perhaps you don't yet feel the need for the dizzying array of inputs and outputs available on our top-end receivers. Either way, the TX-LR552 6.1-channel digital A/V receiver may be just what you're looking for. Behind its elegant, user-friendly faceplate lurks a wealth of Onkyo know-how. Incorporating our latest digital amplification technology, the TX-LR552 generates full-bodied, discrete 6.1-channel surround sound with 65 W/Ch for all channels. Add the latest multi-channel decoders from Dolby® and DTS®, upconversion to component video for all video sources, and the convenience of automatic speaker detection, and the TX-LR552 has virtually all your home theater needs well and truly covered. Team it up with the DVD player and speakers of your choice, and you have the heart and soul of a great home theater.

saw it in stock at Fry's Electronics already. Not hooked up so I couldn't listen to it.

Front:


Back:

Thanks for the heads-up, we had a suspicion that Onkyo would jump in the digi-amp'ed receiver arena.

BTW, Onkyo should be ashamed that this receiver doesn't support DPL IIx. Even $300 receivers are starting to support this standard.
post #411 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by vishal
Looks like they removed the option of selecting a xover point. That's just as well as the previous options were 100, 150, and 200

That's odd. I guess they figured everyone would keep it at 100 Hz.

Quote:


Very interesting re: the New Onkyo Receiver. Do you guys think the 65wpc ratings are with all channels driven? If so, I am surprised because the typical consumer for a more inexpensive receiver will be easily swayed by bigger power numbers. If that is not an all channel driven power rating, this thing is seriously down on power compared to its competition.

Either way, I think it's a very good looking unit although I surprised they have omitted any an aux input on the front.

Many say that Onkyo understates their power ratings, so their 65 W/ch might be equivalent, to say, 80 WpC of another brand, like Sony.
post #412 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by vishal
I don't know if Panasonic could sell many receivers at a say, $800 price point with really high quality components. Their market doesn't seem to capture that audience.

However, they are definitely wise to what audiophiles are saying about their equipment, the manual for the XR70 describes how to biamp your speakers and even how to engage a "biamp" mode.

Wow, you're right - good observation. It's on p. 22 of the manual.
Quote:


To enjoy bi-amp sound
Ensure BI-AMP lights when [BI-WIRE] is selected.
Press both at the same time.
You are able to take advantage of two separate amplifiers for the high frequency and low frequency ranges. This enables more highly defined sound reproduction of the two ranges thus producing high quality biamp stereo sound.

You can enjoy bi-amp sound when the sound is delivered as analog stereo or PCM stereo sound.

Note
Before selecting [BI-WIRE], connect speakers designed for bi-wiring using the bi-wiring connection (page 6).
Do not select [BI-WIRE] if you have connected two sets of speakers to the A and B speaker terminals.
BI-AMP will be turned off and the indicator will go out in the following cases:
If any of the sound modes (Dolby Pro Logic IIx, Dolby Pro Logic II, DTS NEO:6, SFC, 6.1CH DECODING) are turned on.
If DVD ANALOG 6CH is selected.
When input signal is Dolby Digital or DTS.
When the bass synthesizer is on.
When multi-source re-master is on.
When the input signal is multi-channel DVD-Audio from a HDMI connection
post #413 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by beowulf7
BTW, Onkyo should be ashamed that this receiver doesn't support DPL IIx. Even $300 receivers are starting to support this standard.

The Pro Logic symbol on the front panel of the Onkyo looks to say DPL IIx... am I seeing that right?

edit: Yah, looks like it does. If you look at the Onkyo features list for their top of the line 901, it doesn't mention IIx, but I'm pretty sure that one has it as well.
post #414 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by vishal
The Pro Logic symbol on the front panel of the Onkyo looks to say DPL IIx... am I seeing that right?

edit: Yah, looks like it does. If you look at the Onkyo features list for their top of the line 901, it doesn't mention IIx, but I'm pretty sure that one has it as well.

I didn't study the pics in too much detail. I was going by what the features and specs said (and didn't say).

If this Onkyo receiver does indeed support DPL IIx, then Onkyo is doing a poor job marketing that feature since it's not mentioned in those aforementioned links.
post #415 of 1899
The Onkyo sounds great.

Something is very wrong with the fact that the Zektor 4-way HDMI / digital-audio switcher I'd need to pair with it would cost more $$$.
post #416 of 1899
rogo,
have you already listened to Onkyo dig. receiver ?
post #417 of 1899
Quote:


Originally posted by rogo
The Onkyo sounds great.

Something is very wrong with the fact that the Zektor 4-way HDMI / digital-audio switcher I'd need to pair with it would cost more $$$.

Have you owned any of the other digital receivers to compare it to (Panny, Kenwood, H/K)?
post #418 of 1899
Could someone explain to me how bi-amp works with 2 panny xr50? Thanks!
post #419 of 1899
Digital from source iinto XR50 (1)
XR50 (1) digital out (only optical) to XR 50 (2) digital in

Have both units set at same volume level and same "mode" etc

Run for each speaker "high" from one unit to ur speakers and "low" from the other to your speaker posts

Units obviously need to be ontop of each other as any "adjustments" with remote must duplicate automaticly on both

For more info EARZ has this step
post #420 of 1899
This sounds like a passive bi-amping (like bi-wiring with 2 amps), since the output from both amps has both high and low. I heard it's not worth the money to do that. A true bi-amping would be much better, but I don't think we can do it with xr50.
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