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post #271 of 2828
I went to Soundtrack (UE) to view the 52525 this past weekend. They also have the entire lineup of Mits RP CRTs - Silver up to Diamond. I noticed that there is a noticeable difference among the "screens" for these TVs. I'm not sure if these are advertised as "anti-glare". The top-of-the-line screens are definitely better but still have plenty of glare in well lit areas.

This has me thinking - the 525 DLP has a very reflective screen. I get the feeling that the 725 and 825 DLP will have a less-reflective screen but will still have some glare - like the top-of-the-line RPs. The glare will certainly not be as minimal as it is on the Toshibas and Samsungs. Any thoughts on this?

I know the screens can be removed. However, when you have a 14-month old child who has discovered that it is faster to walk than crawl, the protective screen might be a good idea.

I just hope I am not disappointed by the "anti-glare" screens because I really like the Mits picture, build quality, performance history, and connections. Not to mention I can get a great discount at Soundtrack.
post #272 of 2828
Sevenfeet, those are the TV's Ive been trying to decide between. So in your opinion the 813 still beats out the 525? I know the advantages of CRT's but I like the advantagaes of the DLP also. I have the ability to get a 52725 or a 55813 for the same price and I am really confused, any other input from anyone would be helpful.

I was almost was set on the DLP but we just recieved a 62525 in the store I work at and the dithering of gradiant colors was terrible, almost to the point that I hope it was a defective set.
post #273 of 2828
if people are complaining on the 525 series has a screen glare issue...
since the screen is just plexiglass and is easily removed and replacable... for approx. $20-30 you can go to TAP plastics and get a non-glare/ non reflective plexy cut to same size as the 525 screen... if I do end up getting the 62525... that's what I'll do..
post #274 of 2828
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Originally posted by RyeMan1
Sevenfeet, those are the TV's Ive been trying to decide between. So in your opinion the 813 still beats out the 525? I know the advantages of CRT's but I like the advantagaes of the DLP also. I have the ability to get a 52725 or a 55813 for the same price and I am really confused, any other input from anyone would be helpful.



Yes, nothing in this price class can give the butter-smooth picture you'd find in a CRT display. However, in my friend's case, a DLP display was likely the best choice given the brightness of the room (it's a sun room with large windows on two sides, blinds available). Like with any technology, CRT has inherit disadvantages that must be weighed with the superior picture quality (light output, convergence issues, size, etc).
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I was almost was set on the DLP but we just recieved a 62525 in the store I work at and the dithering of gradiant colors was terrible, almost to the point that I hope it was a defective set.

I've seen worse. Again, I said that the initial sand dune scene wasn't very good. But overall, it's better than a lot of DLPs I've seen before, which may be good enough for most people. I might have more seriously considered one had the picture been of this technology rather than the previous generation. Still, my 65813 still kicks buck in the PQ race, but the performance gap is narrowing.
post #275 of 2828
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if people are complaining on the 525 series has a screen glare issue...
since the screen is just plexiglass and is easily removed and replacable... for approx. $20-30 you can go to TAP plastics and get a non-glare/ non reflective plexy cut to same size as the 525 screen... if I do end up getting the 62525... that's what I'll do..

You may have trouble attaching though, because the screen has 3 clips on each side the clip into slots along the edge of the TV. There is only a slot at the top and bottom.

Does anyone know how tough the rear screen is? I'm considering removing my protective screen too, but fear that the other one behind could be easily damaged. Or is it like the single screens on the Sammys and the Toshiba? The set does look kinda ugly without it also since it has the black boarder and the Mits logo.

Jeff
post #276 of 2828
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Originally posted by JeffZX9R
You may have trouble attaching though, because the screen has 3 clips on each side the clip into slots along the edge of the TV. There is only a slot at the top and bottom.

Does anyone know how tough the rear screen is? I'm considering removing my protective screen too, but fear that the other one behind could be easily damaged. Or is it like the single screens on the Sammys and the Toshiba? The set does look kinda ugly without it also since it has the black boarder and the Mits logo.

Jeff

Shouldn't be any problem using an aftermarket anti-glare screen.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...40#post4066840
post #277 of 2828
Can someone post a photo of the 525 series with the screen removed?

Dean
post #278 of 2828
Ok ive seen the mits525 next to a sonyxbr950 the other day...While the mits looked brighter,and overall seemed to outperform the xbr, i could see much more "noise"? Artifacts?Pixels dancing in the picture much more than the xbr.. Anyone else notice this?
post #279 of 2828
If I remove the 525's protective shield, what am I exposing? I understand it serves a purpose, but is the screen it is supposed to protect that easily damaged? There are no small children in my household and with the remote controls, I hardly ever go near the unit, so what can get damaged? BTW, do you think the 725's will be that much different that its protective shield won't fit on the 525?

TIA....JL
post #280 of 2828
In the past, these protective screens ran somewhere in the neighborhood of $400. Without small children/pets to damage the leticular screen, there really isn't any reason to get the other screen to replace it with.
post #281 of 2828
I removed the protective screen off my 50" Mits 6 years ago because of the glare and have not looked back...I actually paid $300 extra for the protective screen back then. I clean the original screen with a wet microfiber cloth and dry with a another one...I have never had a problem.
post #282 of 2828
Anyone know when the MEDALLION 725 SERIES will be available? In particular the WD-52725.
post #283 of 2828
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?
post #284 of 2828
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Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

After seeing the 62" version last night... watching Local SD channels..the PQ was the best I've seen on any DLP or LCD sets. Way better than the Sammy HLP-5663 that I returned last week. SD was bright and as sharp as my Mits CRT PRTV WS55805.

As far as what chip is in the Mits. Salesperson told me it's not the HD2+ it's Mit's own propriortory chip made by TI. don't know if its true or not...that Mits own part of Texas Instrument.

Looking forward to getting the WS62525 sometime next month...
post #285 of 2828
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Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?


Mits does use the HD2+ chip. Anyway, SD is the only thing better that's than this current crop of DLP's. If you don't see rainbows I don't know how anyone could chose LCD over DLP.
post #286 of 2828
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Originally posted by rc-zombies
As far as what chip is in the Mits. Salesperson told me it's not the HD2+ it's Mit's own propriortory chip made by TI. don't know if its true or not...that Mits own part of Texas Instrument.

Those darn salesmen ... they're so cute.
post #287 of 2828
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Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

I'm convinced that, like many other aspects of any tv's performance...it all comes down to the source material. I know in my case, this tv is great with SD programing where others don't like it. I put that down to my cable co. more then the tv.

SRFast, I'll try and take the screen off this weekend and take a pic for you.
post #288 of 2828
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Originally posted by jchahn
Not to start a flame war, but basically what I take from this is that LCD RPTVs are still better than DLP for SD signals. The new HD2+ chip really didn't do a whole lot for that aspect of it, right?

The Sony DRC in their Grand Wegas is generally better than tho older Samsungs DNIE or what ever they called it. I can't understand how Samsung did so badlly with a Faroujda chip.

However, the newest generation of DLPs from Samsung and Mitsubishi have greatly improved on Samsungs first gen attempts. From what I have seen the Mitsubishis and the current Grand Wegas are almost the same in SD performance and the new Samsungs are right there in the same ballpark. (None of the three are close to my 10 year old 53" RP Sony XBR though for SD. Stick in a progressive DVD or a HD source and they all have there better and weaker points and currently the LCD weaknesses all push me to a split between the Mits and the Sammy DLPs (HD2+ only). Sony just doesn't do well enough with a computer source for me...
post #289 of 2828
The attached photo shows a 525 without the glare screen. Note that
it contains some glare on the left and right from windows in full sun.
The frame of the unit is made up of cold rolled angle iron, and does
not look that good. Also the corners have the exposed joints from
the top and bottom angle iron. Next two photos will show a closeup
of them.

Also I took off the lower speaker cover in the photo. the line 20%
up from the bottom is the switch panel, with the LED's. The large
white patch on the left is the Lamp Cover area, and the lamp is
user replaceable.

In the SF Bay Area Good Guys on Tully road in San Jose has there
demo without the screen. After seeing it, I made up my mind and
brought one home from the store.

It is a challange to remove the screen as described in the manual.
First find the latches with your credit card by sliding it up and down
in the edge of the panel. Once you find them, push your credit card
in the middle one and twist it outwards after you feel it release.
Insert a finger or finger nail behind the panel, and move to the top
or bottom latches. Do the other side, and then pull outwards from
the middle pushing downward until the top comes out of the groove.
Then lift it out of the bottom grove.

I found the it was best to use the plastic wrapper that protected the
TV in shipment to wrap the screen in.




francis
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post #290 of 2828
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francis
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post #292 of 2828
many of our questions. Except for the aesthetics, do you see any problem with leaving it off? Is that your intention? I don't have a direct light problem, but would like to elminate/minimize as much of the incidental glare/reflection as possible.

TIA...JL
post #293 of 2828
I plan to leave it off, since we don't have any pets or kids at home.
The grandkids should not be a problem either.

The screen appears to be a vertical lens type of screen, to get the wide
viewing angle from the set. If you stand up you can notice a small loss
of intensity. Now I see why the display's are always mounted up in the
store. The manual tells you how to clean it. The biggest problem will be
finger prints, from touching it.

With the screen on I found it unusable in the day time. But at night the
reflections are still there. My wife saw a painting in a show the first night
that looked just like ours. After a closer look it was ours reflecting off the
screen under normal lighting. The show had a wall that was dark and
hence the reflection became obvious and looked just like it belonged there.

I may look into a replacement screen that has lower reflections, or buy
some black plastic to size and cut out the center.


francis
post #294 of 2828
I think I will wait for the Mits 53725 model. Does anyone know when that model will ship?
post #295 of 2828
Sorry, I meant 52725
post #296 of 2828
should be in a few weeks.beginning of august.
post #297 of 2828
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Originally posted by tmsmith
I think I will wait for the Mits 53725 model. Does anyone know when that model will ship?


Sept. 2004
post #298 of 2828
fandb, thanks for saving me the trouble!
post #299 of 2828
I contacted Mits Parts dept. (they don't sell through distributors) for the Service Manual for the WD52525 and was told it's not available yet, but when it is the cost will be $40.
post #300 of 2828
Great post fandb. Thanks for the pics!!!

Definitely a different protective screen holder design than their CRTs.
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