2004-05 Mitsubishi DLP'S! - Page 14

I would buy one if they were that cheap.

Damn, don't tell me about the rainbows thing. The place that I would buy it from does has a no return policy, as a matter of fact most of the places have a no return policy except for BB and CC which are not getting this set for at least several weeks.

Right now it's between the Mit and Kirk. I like the Mit, but wow it's expensive. I can get the Kirk 5085 a cheaper(It's a Samsung). Deep down in my heart I believe the Mitsu is a better set, but the Kirk is different and I like different.

Hi...I haven't had any direct experience with the UE Performance Guarantee, but when I spoke with someone there the other day it sounded attractive, if you want extended coverage. From what I understand, their warranty includes one maintenance visit (mirror cleaning, etc.--not to be confused with a re-calibration), and if you don't have to call anyone out for the term of the contract (not counting the maintenance visit-you still get that), they will give you 1/2 the price you paid for the PG back in store credit. Plus, they say that the guarantee is that it will still perform to your satisfaction...that coverage doesn't end where the manufacturer's warranty does. All in all, it sounds pretty good, I have to admit. And I am not real big on extended warranties and the like....it would be great to hear from someone that has actually had one, though....

Randy

I seem to be in the same place as a lot of folks deciding between the Samsung, Mits etc.. Went in to the local Magnolia ( the high end BB ) to see the Mits and they also had the Kirk there. They use a Direct TV feed.The MIts was alot darker and did not have the contrast of the Kirk. The salesman told me they were very dissappointed in the Mits. They had the rep from Mits and a tech come out to improve the picture but to no avail. He also said the Mits does not have the HD2+ chip. It is a HD2 chip. He also said there are two versions of the HD2 chip and the Mits has the larger version whatever that means.This was told to him by the rep. Do we know for sure the Mits has the HD2+? I expected the two sets to look very similar.

Richard

Richard,
Did Magnolia carry the Toshiba DLP's? I've seen a lot of comaparisons on this board between the two. I've seen the Mits, but nobody has the Toshiba yet where I live. A road trip to Sacramento (Magnolia) will be in order if they carry both the Toshiba and Mits.

Magnolia won't be carrying the Toshiba DLP's...
2 places that will have them is BestBuy and Video Only.
Video Only is selling it to me the 62HMX84 for $3600 + $250 for 4year extended warrantee and it covers the bulb..
Calif. Video only stores...:
California Stores

San Francisco
1199 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94109
(415) 563-5200
FAX 563-1837

San Mateo
1801 South Grant Street, San Mateo, CA 94402
(650) 578-1212
FAX 578-1217

Hayward
24040 Hesperian Boulevard, Hayward, CA 94545
(510) 785-1470
FAX 785-5856

Dublin
6920 Amador Plaza Road, Dublin, CA 94568
(925) 829-2900
FAX 829-1156

Wow, they must have gotten a bad set. The Mitsu generally has the most clear, lifelike picture of all the DLP's I have seen, with the Kirk and Toshiba not too far behind. It does have the HD2+ chip in it.

I bought the IKEA Magiker TV Unit. It's 51 inches wide, not sure how wide the 62" tv is though.


Here's my 52 on it (sans Diamond Shield ):

Don't listen to your that sales rep, he probably wanted you to purchase something else, maybe 8k Plasma. Anyway, the Mits does have the HD2+ chip and 7 segment color wheel. Take a look at Reynard's pic, does his Mits look too dark to you?. When I saw the Mits next to the Cpt. Kirk at Magnolia, I thought they looked very similiar. If you want to know something about display's, what you read here in the AVS forum is more times than not more credible than what them sales persons are telling you.

If you want real bright display, take a look at the D-ILA. In my opinion, there isn't any real differences in brightness between the Mits and Cpt. Kirks.

As mentioned, Magnolia does not carry the Tosh but BB has it. Unfortuneately, they have it sitting high so you really can't tell what it looks like. Looked at the new Pany at GG and it looked very pixelated. The plasmas around it with the same feed looked fine. In the same area was the Philips lcos and it also was pixelated like the Pany but not as bad.

Richard

I don't mean to offend, but I'm not an idiot. Of course I read the manual and did the "Memorize Channels" on both Ant-1 and Ant-2 with the antenna connected to each one consecutively. Neither one will pull in a digital picture or audio, but it will pull in the XDS information from them AND picture-perfect analog stations just fine. I didn't say it was displaying a blue picture when manually tuning in a digital station, I said it was a solid gray picture with no audio.

FYI, I have been to Antennaweb.org and they indicate I am only 13 miles from the DTV towers and I only need the smallest antenna possible, without even a pre-amp. Here I am using a high-quality, amplified antenna, pointed in the correct direction, and I still get squat.

On another subject, I picked up a CableCARD from TWC here in Houston yesterday, gave them a call with the appropriate number strings to activate it last night, but they couldn't get it working. I haven't checked yet to see if they got it working during the day today, but it sounds like this may be a more difficult process than was desired by the FCC. Anyone else gotten CableCARD to work on these sets?

I will have mine on Friday and I will post.

Anyone using a SA Tivo with these TVs?

Interesting you mentioned the Mits was not very bright. I have looked at 5 or 6 different Mits dlp setups now and most of the time i considcered the set to have excellent color and good brightness at factory default settings but there were two sets that did seem to be very dark even with the contrast boosted. Is there some auto control that would override the contrast settings?

There have been people whose experience with other ATSC tuners is that when the digital signal is too strong, it actually overdrives the receiver, impeding reception/decoding. You say you are 13 miles away and have a hi quality antenna and an amp. This may be too much. Just for grins, see if you have some old rabbit ears or an inside antenna that you can hook up and try. I did this with my tuner, I am 41 miles away from the Chicago stations, and I got about 4 of them in with no problem. In the end you may need to ditch the amp.

rtmoore4: Sorry I upset you. Just wanted to pass along some information.

I ordered a CableCARD from TWCNYC and they said it required a tech visit. The tech is scheduled for Thursday and will post my experience after he leaves. I already have the SA8000 DTV DVR and will be keeping it because I want to record programs. I will have CableCARD on ANT1, roof antenna on ANT2 and the SA8000 on INPUT1.

Regards....JL

I was all ready to sell my 10 month old GWIII and buy the Mits DLP. That is, until I saw one.

It was displayed next to a GWIII. Although the picture between both sets were different in terms of color (which could more than likely be adjusted out) what I found objectionable was with any kind of camera movement, the Mits shows some kind of blockiness (sorry for the lack of the correct technical term). It was like it couldn't keep up repainting the screen, whereas the Sony could. Sports could be a real problem for the Mits. I could not tell a significant difference in black levels between the two sets as they weren't displayed in low ambiant lighting.

I'm a big fan of Mitsubishi and was looking forward to making the switch back. Maybe their next generation will do better.

SRFast: You didn't upset me. I was just hoping for some more useful information than what was in the manual.

Well, I figured out two things tonight:

One: The TV had to be hard reset (tiny push-button on the front) in order to complete CableCARD initialization. I never would have found this out had I not been on the "Memorize Channels" screen for DTV tuning and the TV "locked up". It wouldn't do anything. After about 5 minutes of hitting every button I could think of, I finally hit the reset button. When the TV came back up, it displayed a message like, "CableCARD initialization complete."

Two: Once this happened, OTA HDTV channels just started working. I can't explain it.

hefe: You are absolutely right, if the amp is being used, the picture drops immediately. I tried both options before and it wouldn't work at all. After the hard reset and continuing to play with it, I discovered the amp caused the analog picture to go to cr@p and the digital channels to drop. I guess it is too strong or something.

It looks like the hard reset was ultimately the trick. Not very comforting, but there it is.

Oh yeah, and TWC-Houston still can't get my CableCARD enabled in their system. They promised (again) that it would be done tonight. Two days and counting...

They did let me pick it up from the retail store and install it myself, which was nice. That saved me a truck roll fee. It might have been worth the fee, though, with all the headache it has been to try and get this done.

Well, last night I pulled the trigger and hauled a Mits 52525 home. It was pretty late so I didn't get much of a chance to give it a workout but I do have a few impressions.

First was that in my basement family room with the lower light levels I had no screen reflection issues so the protection screen will stay on just fine.

Second, I was surprised at how good many of my standard cable channels looked. A few looked like crap of course but quite a few were as good or better then the 32" crt it replaced. I can't wait to get my HD set up.

Third, I hooked up my old cheapy non-progressive DVD player and found it was amazingly better then I hoped. Now, I am in no hurry to get a progressive DVD upgrade which will give them time to lower the price and work out the kinks on the newer models. Maybe even stretch the wait out till HD-DVD

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On the negative side...

Only negative was fan noise. I could really notice it when the room was quiet and nothing was playing on the TV. During playback, you cant tell though. I did a bit of expermenting and I think the majority of the fan noise problem I have is due to the built in enclose I made when I finished my basement years ago. It is basically a sheetrock wall niche about 7 feet wide by 3' deep and the problem comes from the fact that the sides are sheetrock and are angled to face the view at 45 degrees. These hard walls are perfect for bouncing the fan sounds from the rear of the TV towards the viewer. I placed a throw pillow on each side about 8 inces away from the TV and the sounds dropped drastically. I think if I come up with some sort of wall treatment for my angled walls it would keep the sound from bouncing. Till then, the pillows can lay back their as they are behind my home theater speakers anyway.

So far, I dont think I have seen a rainbow. In fact, I stop myself from looking because I have heard that once you go rainbow, you never go back!


So far, I am happy with the Mits.

By the way, UE gave me 10 percent off list and I added a three year extended warrenty. They will also match any lower prices in the area for 60 days.

That's the way to do it Orlun. Once you go looking for flaws, you'll find them, and you'll regret it the rest of the way

I can tell you right now and emphatically so, sports on the Mits DLP is its unquestionable strong point!! I was watching a rebroadcast of a college football game in HD the picture quality was amazing. I can also tell you that the Mits is superior to any LCD in black level performance, still can't beat CRT, but better than the GWlll in that department.

The only thing out there that I would purchase over the Mits DLP is a Mits CRT. Because I see rainbows and I think CRT's handle blacks better.

Auditor55

You missed my point. The part of my post that your quote left out is what I said about how the set handles motion. That's the part that is relevant to sports.

Sorry you see rainbows. I see the perfect TV, but its only in my mind. ;-)

Any lip-sync issues or video lag with the new mits anyone?

I know I left that out because I have been asked by the moderator to pair down my quotes. Anyway, the proof is in the pudding. I have seen sports on my Mits and it handles them well, no motion blur like you get with LCD RPTV's. The Mits may have some other issues, but as far as I can see, displaying HD sports isn't one of them. Just ask others how own the Mits DLP if they are having any motion problems with sports.

Any better release dates available for the 52725?

Or the 62725?

Or any of the Diamond Series?

When I talked to the Mitsubishi parts, I was forwarded to Mitsubishi Customer Relations (949) 830-8364.

Customers Relations advised that there MAY be "other factors" involved when attempting to substitute the shield from one model to another.

I have a 725 on pre-order, and will be getting it ISF calibrated.

So, my questions are:

1) If I were to change the 725 shield out for the 825 shield, will it still be possible to ISF calibrate properly ??

2) Has anyone talked to Mitsubishi Engineering regarding this? I'm certain the parts department is not qualified to know, and probably not Customer Relations either.

Rick

My wife caught a very slight lip-synch lag issue watching Navy NCIS off of TiVo last night. I haven't seen it in anything else, so it may just have been a source issue. I'm really watching for that, as it would really affect my enjoyment of this set.

What is a GWIII?

Sony Grand Wega 3 LCD RPTV.