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post #4771 of 4947
something that might be of help:
before the amps shut down, is the sound coming from those amps distorted or is it clear and clean?
post #4772 of 4947
Sound is 100% clear and again keep in mind even with no speakers and power amps connected it goes into protect at "0" where its supposed to go upto +10.

So it's no a problem with speakers. Perhaps the HDMI signal from my PS3??
post #4773 of 4947
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Originally Posted by januza View Post

Sound is 100% clear and again keep in mind even with no speakers and power amps connected it goes into protect at "0" where its supposed to go upto +10.

So it's no a problem with speakers. Perhaps the HDMI signal from my PS3??

then i agree with Penngray that it probably is the Marantz that's at fault.

you should try another amp-processor or try an external amp to be sure.

using an external amp will permit you to find if it's the processor or the amp that's at fault.


is it still in warranty?
post #4774 of 4947
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Originally Posted by januza View Post

Okay so this is what I have done

1. disconnected the rears that were hooked up directly to the Marantz
--- still protect
2. disconnected the fronts that were hooked up via preout to QCS
--- still protect
3. disconnected the center that were hooked up via preout to Dussun
--- still protect
4. disconnected subs that were hooked up via preout
--- still protect

How were the speakers disconnected? At the amps or at the speaker terminals?

I had a problem like this before. A explosion or other sudden action scene would cause my receiver (used as a preamp) to shut down. Turned out I had two speaker wires (+ & -) that had worked their way into touching. Everything ran fine until some power was required.
post #4775 of 4947
Everything was disconnected from the amp. Not just from the speakers. Have to try and borrow another amp from a friend to test it.
post #4776 of 4947
is it still in warranty?[/quote]


Unfortunately no.. Got it 2 years ago... Problem in China is that I cant borrow one to test it before I buy... DAMN!!
post #4777 of 4947
Hey, I just hooked up a Tapco J-2500 to my mains. Haven't cranked it or anything just yet. (i'm scared of its power )

I am getting an odd buzzing from my midrange drivers and tweeters when hooked up (probably around 2-4khz). While it's not audible at my seating position, the idea that it's there is bothering me. I tried turning the gain all the way down and removing the inputs, and the buzz was still there.

It's not ground loop hum, or it would be coming out of the woofers.

Anyone got any troubleshoot ideas?
post #4778 of 4947
New guy on the pro amp scene needs some help.

I purchased a used Crown 402 amp to power my mains. I tried hooking it up to my Onkyo TX-SR705 and am not getting any sound at all.

I'm using a RCA to XLR cable from the receiver's front channel pre-out to the amp's XLR input and am connecting my speakers directly to the amp (tried both with banana plugs and bare wire). I'm getting nothing, not even a test tone... and I tried cranking the amp's gain up and the receiver's speaker setting.

To try and isolate the problem, I hooked the Crown up directly to the audio output of a Blu-Ray player and played a CD. I did get some sound, but even at full gain it was faint.

What am I doing wrong? Is there a setting on the Onkyo where you have to tell it to use the pre-out instead of receiver's internal amp? Why would this produce such a low volume when hooked up directly to the Blu-Ray player? I'm dying to hear what this amp will do. Thanks!!
post #4779 of 4947
do you know for sure that this amp worked before you purchased it ?

i know that sounds a little simple - but alot of people buy used stuff with out hearing it first or knowing for sure - maybe over ebay etc. -

it should work with the pre outs - i have an amp also hooked up to the pre outs of my marantz 7002 going from RCA to XLR into the amp - works fine - nothing to do -

check your AVR - make sure the speaker settings are correct - like speaker A or Speaker B or off -

if you can connect that amp to another AVR or pre amp etc. - not sure if connecting it to a blu ray player would work correctly -

double check the all the connections - check your AVR settings - manual if there is anything to do with the AVR for pre outs - speaker selections etc.

if still nothing - i would try that amp in another system to make sure it even works correctly -
post #4780 of 4947
Why do we not see many people running Yamaha. I have had GREAT success with their home audio/consumer (natural sounding amplifier). I cant find much information on their EEE Engine (efficiency of class D with the sound quality of AB)
post #4781 of 4947
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Originally Posted by 2MuchRiceMakesMe View Post

Why do we not see many people running Yamaha. I have had GREAT success with their home audio/consumer (natural sounding amplifier). I cant find much information on their EEE Engine (efficiency of class D with the sound quality of AB)

Indeed. I've got an old Yamaha P-2200 semi-pro from the '80's that hasn't even needed a meter bulb replaced! A real dependable workhorse for sure, and it sounds great.
post #4782 of 4947
Same here. Dont see much yammy gear. I have a yamaha A-700 avr to run polk speakers and a yamaha P2500S i plan to have running a dual ported dayton HF subwoofer for a gaming setup.

Both are built pretty solid and both do their job great
post #4783 of 4947
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Originally Posted by Sousa86 View Post

Same here. Dont see much yammy gear. I have a yamaha A-700 avr to run polk speakers and a yamaha P2500S i plan to have running a dual ported dayton HF subwoofer for a gaming setup.

Both are built pretty solid and both do their job great


I was just wondering what the difference between QSC and Yamaha is?
post #4784 of 4947
How are you guys getting the input level high enough out of your home receiver.


Even with my Pioneer SC-57 cranked all the way up I cant get the eq ( http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DEQ2496.aspx ) meter to register over -50 at peak. Even with the gain turned all the way up on the amp I can barely hear it.
post #4785 of 4947
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Originally Posted by 2MuchRiceMakesMe View Post

How are you guys getting the input level high enough out of your home receiver.


Even with my Pioneer SC-57 cranked all the way up I cant get the eq ( http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DEQ2496.aspx ) meter to register over -50 at peak. Even with the gain turned all the way up on the amp I can barely hear it.


i have been using a amp with my marantz for years now and worked out fine with out doing anything -

but i also just found out - how to level out the signals coming your AVR - going to pro audio EQ AMP Etc. -

its a small box which takes your AVR signal and outputs it to your pro audio EQ - AMP etc. at a higher level - which is equal to Pro Audio level

i just installed mines last night - and its much louder now - i can turn my gains down a bit also and keep the same level as before in sound -

http://www.ebtechaudio.com/

amazon sells them - samash - all over the place now that i know about it -

i really didnt have big difference before - but knowing thats its needed to keep things all the same level - makes sense and works -

its called Line level shifter - look under products


hope this helps
post #4786 of 4947
The DEQ2496 takes +12 or +22 dBu; make sure you selected +12. The derivation of dBu is a bit archaic, but for now realize 0 dBu is roughly 0.8 VRMS. Your AVR likely puts out around 1-2 VRMS max, or about 2 - 8 dBu, and normally much less so you are well below the max input of the DEQ2496. Pro gear often has settings for "pro" levels of +4 dBu or "home" levels of -10 dBV. Without such a switch (the DEQ2496 was not designed for home use) a gain stage is not a bad idea.
post #4787 of 4947
My new Parasound A51 is still making me smile.
post #4788 of 4947
Did a head to head between these 2 amps powering my Aperion Grand Verus Mains (Denon 4311 preamp). Made sure levels were the same in my A/B testing. Playing musical pieces that I was very familiar with, performance was very close, but the EP-4000 edged out the XPA-2 imho (detail and power). I like Emotiva and still have an XPA-5 and LPA-1, but sold the XPA-2. Just thought I'd share my experience. Am interested if you have done this type of comparisons and what your results were.

Thanks, Ron
post #4789 of 4947
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

My new Parasound A51 is still making me smile.

my A51's still got me smiling ear-to-ear too!
post #4790 of 4947
Which Pro amp do you all recommend for HT use? I will be using preouts from my AVR. I was looking at Crown XLS 2000 to drive my Polk A7 in stereo but I see it has a LPF and HPF. I don't see a way to not have it process the signal as I want the internal crossovers in the speakers to do this.
post #4791 of 4947
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Originally Posted by freeyayo50 View Post

Which Pro amp do you all recommend for HT use? I will be using preouts from my AVR. I was looking at Crown XLS 2000 to drive my Polk A7 in stereo but I see it has a LPF and HPF. I don't see a way to not have it process the signal as I want the internal crossovers in the speakers to do this.

The cross-over mode of this unit can be bypassed by using the default stereo by-pass mode. (page 4-owners manual). The filters will not be engaged when in this mode.
post #4792 of 4947
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Originally Posted by BIG INJUN CHIEF View Post

The cross-over mode of this unit can be bypassed by using the default stereo by-pass mode. (page 4-owners manual). The filters will not be engaged when in this mode.

Thanks!!

Onkyo 3009 preouts signal is 470 ohms but Crown input is showing 10k. That means I would need a signal booster or I would get a hum/hiss, correct?
post #4793 of 4947
This amp has a standard line level (RCA) input. The reason amps have a high impedance on the input is to avoid the draw of energy from the source. These two units should play nicely.
post #4794 of 4947
Thanks chief. Looks like I'll be getting either the xls or QSC GX5. They go for a good price on eBay.

Which QSC amps do you use?
Edited by freeyayo50 - 7/7/12 at 8:36am
post #4795 of 4947
No worries. Glad I could assist. I have a GX-5 running the mains and a GX-3 for my center. Both purchased from ProAudio Star. I would suggest giving them a ring as they will often extend a small discount. The GX amps are a great bargain. I modded the fan in both and they are now whisper quiet.
post #4796 of 4947
Good info. In your opinion, were the fans noticeably loud? I would be sitting about 8-9 feet away. Also, do they run full time or just when the amp starts to heat up after use?
post #4797 of 4947
i am running a GX5 for my mains - and for me - the fan was loud because i use it for HT at night - if you use it just for music - it may not bother you - you should try it first with out touching the fan for the first 30 days at least - just in case you like to return it - i dont think you will return it - smile.gif

once your satisfied and will keep it - you can change out the fan which i did also and its my fridge is louder now -
post #4798 of 4947
Cool, thanks. Yea I will be using it for HT use. Maybe it won't bother me like you said. Do fans run full time?
post #4799 of 4947
i believe they run all the time - but can run faster if needed - but the stock fan - when i got mines over 3 years ago now - was loud to me - it had a wine to it - which i can hear since i sit close - have it in my audio rack - open -

at night - with movies - it bothered me - but it may not bother you - i would first try it for first 30 days - once you will keep it - and it bothers you - change out the fan - i never had one problem and i play it loud with music -

just get a good fan - 24volt model - not the computer fans - and try to get a high CFM to Low rpm - try to match the original as best you can -

i got mines at digi key - website - was close enough match for me - never gave me a problem and i dont hear it at all


the amp kicks ass - thats for sure - smile.gif


price wise its great also - if i were buying one today - i might just get the GX7 -
post #4800 of 4947
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Originally Posted by strange_brew View Post

[not an expert]

I have looked into the "Hum" issue quite a bit. ebr is correct, it occurs when the "system" has more than 1 path to ground and balanced connections will not fix it. This most often occurs with the cable line and can be best solved with one of these:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=180-075


However, another path can exist if you have interconnected equipment on different circuits. Common examples are subwoofers and projectors since they tend to be in different locations from the a/v equipment and many of them have a ground plug. A good (inexpensive) cure for this kind of thing is to use the Ebtech HumX:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--EBTHUMX


You can also get isolation transformers (Tripp-Lite for example) that you plug your equipment into, but that is an entirely different snack bracket (another potential option on audio-only equipment is to use optical vs. coax if that is the only line connected to the pre-amp since it doesn't introduce another electrical ground path).


To figure out where your problem is, start by unplugging everything from your pre-amp and amp, including the amp/pre-amp interconnects. Turn on the amp. There should be no hum since it has only one path to ground. If you DO have hum, then you likely have equipment in a metal rack that is grounding the amp to the other equipment in the rack, creating a separate path to ground. Use of plastic washers on the rack ears, or rubber isolators on the feet may fix that. Now connect the pre-amp. Hum should still be gone (assuming you have them on the same circuit, or the same side of the panel). Now start connecting your sources until you find the hum. The way you remedy it depends on what the root cause is. In all cases you should be able to fix it without removing the ground on the equipment. That is just asking for trouble - a lot of equipment can't cope without the ground. I believe it helps stabilize the voltage or some such but I'm a little fuzzy there.


Pro amps should not, in and of themselves, cause hum. It is the circumstances in which they are installed that cause the problem. The reason a lot of consumer gear does not hum is because it isn't grounded (2 prong plug). Any time you have a ground on your equipment plug, you have the potential for a ground loop.


In my case, I had 2 problems. My gear runs off a sub-panel in my equipment room. While its still grounded to the main panel, the ground potential is different. So the other things grounded directly to the main panel (Projector outlet), or directly to house ground (cable line) had different electrical potential and, therefore, it hummed. So I used the Dayton isolation transformer on my cable line, and an Ebtech HumX on my PJ outlet. Problem gone.


Knowing what I know now, I would have made sure ALL of my interconnected gear ran from dedicated circuits on the same panel or, at the very least, all of the equipment requiring a ground was on the same side of the panel on dedicated circuits.


Another related point is where you put the circuit on your panel - you want to stay away from putting your dedicated A/V circuits on the same side of the panel (bus) as motor driven devices (e.g., fridge, freezer) or dimmers such as the Lutron GrafikEye - these things can also introduce noise into the system that isn't easily remedied.


Again, how you solve it really depends on the root cause of the problems. Understanding the theory behind it will help you solve the problem without spending unneccessary time or money.


Hope that helps.

[/not an expert]

I had a slight buzz with my QSC amp. I found that one of my other grounded devices(popcorn hour) plugged into the same power strip is causing it. Anyway to fix it without having to find some where else to plug it into?
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