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post #1681 of 1737
Thanks for the quick response

The box being the service location drop outside the house, from which the coax cable leaves that then enters the house.

Did two complete rescans. No dice.

Used only one outlet. The nearest two were not in service (formerly dish?). Cable run is probably 25 feet outside and 20 inside on RG6 cable. Minimal electronics and what not around in a cement block house.

TV is a new-ish Vizio HDTV which has been working great for the past year and a half. It received HD the day before service was moved. It receives HD OTA via amplified antenna also fine, as tested by me, so I don't suspect it is a faulty tuner or internal component, but we couldn't convince the the retiree to cut cable and go OTA.

The analog signal wasn't the greatest, but we had so much other stuff to do, that I didn't sit around and pay attention to signal clarity etc.
post #1682 of 1737
Run a fresh piece of RG-6 from the drop to the set. I'd bet you have enough signal for passable analog signals on the lower frequencies and that's not nearly enough for the higher-up digitals. If that works, check the original line for corrosion. Replace it if you can. If you can't, replace the connectors and try that.

If a new piece from the drop still doesn't work, have someone from BHN come out and measure the signal level.
post #1683 of 1737
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Originally Posted by icerabbit View Post

The box being the service location drop outside the house, from which the coax cable leaves that then enters the house.

IIUC, you're trying to tune all the standard package digital channels using your TV's tuner. That's not possible on Bright House. The only channels a Vizio TV tuner can reliably find on a Bright House cable are the cable analogs (no more than two digit channel numbers), and the digital OTA locals carried ITC under federal must carry rules, including: WEDU, WFLA, WTSP, WTVT, WUSF, WCLF, WFTS, WMOR, WTTA, WTOG, WXPX, the OTA spanish channels and a few others; most of which are three and/or four digit channel numbers when received on a HD cable box, all of which will be hyphenated channel numbers on the Vizio, and most of which including SDs are above 100- on the Vizio. Notable HD below 100 are 8-1, 16-1, 32-1, 38-1 & 66-1. HD OTA examples above 100 include 10.1=610-1, 13.1=613-1, 28.1=628-1. & 44.1=624-1. For basics only service, included SDs along with the must carry requireds are several shopping channels, C-Span, NASA, local & state gummints & WGNA.
post #1684 of 1737
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

]IIUC, you're trying to tune all the standard package digital channels using your TV's tuner.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's trying to get the same set of clear QAM channels he had with the same Vizio at another BHN location and he's not getting ANY, including the locals. Just weak analog. He should get SOME digital on BHN as they carry locals, community access, C-span and some others in clear QAM. Silicondust.com has the list.

Here's a possibly silly thought, rabbit.. make sure you're telling the set to search for "cable" and not "antenna." Easy to overlook or accidentally thumb in Vizio's menus.

FWIW, I don't think must-carry has been invoked for any major Tampa channel. Pretty sure they're all on negotiated retrans contracts. Note that having local digitals non-encrypted has nothing to do with the must-carry rules.
post #1685 of 1737
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Originally Posted by icerabbit View Post

Could some kind of analog splitter or digital filter on the pole be to blame, that the installer used?

Is it a secret hidden ploy to push people to get upgraded cable service?

Assuming Vizio search isn't mistakenly set to antenna, it wouldn't surprise me if (maybe ploy and) different pole filter is responsible. This is a TV only account, correct? I'll bet if it was internet and/or phone also that the local station digitals would be working.

I know behavior can vary according to local Bright House system, where one account that is internet only gets all analog and CQAM while another internet only gets only the CQAM. It seems different locales handle Bright House's "home of free HD" differently.
post #1686 of 1737
Thanks for the replies.

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... IIUC, you're trying to tune all the standard package digital channels using your TV's tuner. That's not possible on Bright House. The only channels a Vizio TV tuner can reliably find on a Bright House cable are the cable analogs ...

Yes it is ... or was in our case.

DrDon is correct that the same Vizio TV set had dozens of Clear QAM stations in SD and HD with the nn-nn numbering ... on basic cable ... two streets over ... but maybe a mile away ... for years ... with BrightHouse.

I'm pretty sure I set the TV back to cable. I toggled it to test with an antenna, then reverted back. Being the geek in the family, with half a dozen Vizios under my wing I'm pretty familiar with their setup (even though over the years the menu setups have changed ... and not always for the better)

I was only down for a week, currently back up north, so physical line upgrades will have to wait a few weeks till my next trip. I will plan on replacing the lines with RG6 Quad, the way I have at my own house. I've got the tools, connectors, faceplates etc to renew it all. Though in my experience that hasn't prevented digital signals. I used to have RG5 myself and had HD. Though I do know analog splitters will throw issues ... which isn't in use in this case, unless the tech put one in the box or on the pole.

In the mean time we may just have to call BrightHouse and ask for a signal strength tests ... that my family member is not getting any "free" HD.
post #1687 of 1737
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Originally Posted by icerabbit View Post

DrDon is correct that the same Vizio TV set had dozens of Clear QAM stations in SD and HD with the nn-nn numbering ... on basic cable ... two streets over ... but maybe a mile away ... for years ... with BrightHouse.

Maybe "dozens" is too nebulous a term, as is "basic". Some people say "basic" when they're actually referring to what BHN terms "standard", which is $60/mo as of 3/1/2011, while "limited basic" is $20.50.

I suppose "dozens" of CQAM is technically correct in this Bright House neighborhood 25 miles from New Port Richey too. However with "standard" service among them are none of the cable standards like AMC, TWC, TNT, USA, ESPN & TBS. Those cable standards are analog only here unless using a BHN converter box. Digitals watchable on a Vizio without a cable box feeding it are 4+1 from WEDU, 2+1 from WFLA, 2+1 from WTSP, 1+1 from WTVT, 4+1 from WUSF, 3 or 4 from WCLF, 2+1 from WTSP, 3+1 from WMOR, 2+1 from WTTA, 1+1 from WTOG, 3+1 from WXPX, 2+1 from WVEA, 1 or 2 from WFTT, (at least 41 total to this point), plus local gummint (all digital) and shoppings (some analog, some digital). All the +1s refer to HD channels BHN provides both as HD as available OTA, plus those same channels converted to 4:3 digital SD (non-existent OTA).
post #1688 of 1737
I don't expect standard channels to show in the basic line-up. Neither with analog or digital.

It is just that the digital ones are missing since the move.

Note that I said basic cable, as in basic cable with the most limited channel line-up: ~24 analog that runs $20/mo. ( Not standard cable with its additional 40+ that bring you up to 70 analog stations )

And dozens of digital stations as there being at least 3 dozen ~36 or so, the last time I scanned at the old location (last year, don't remember exactly). There were certainly more digital ones than analog ones, if not twice as many, because some have both digital SD, HD and sub channels.
post #1689 of 1737
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

Maybe "dozens" is too nebulous a term, as is "basic". Some people say "basic" when they're actually referring to what BHN terms "standard", which is $60/mo as of 3/1/2011, while "limited basic" is $20.50.

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Originally Posted by icerabbit View Post

Note that I said basic cable, as in basic cable with the most limited channel line-up: ~24 analog that runs $20/mo. ( Not standard cable with its additional 40+ that bring you up to 70 analog stations )

Tampa Bay BHN doesn't have "basic cable" service, which is why I wrote what I wrote. What it has, directly off the top of the price sheet, is:

Limited Basic Cable
Standard Cable
Digital Cable
...

Anyway, I still think the difference is in the filters at the two locations. Service/installation trucks don't always have exactly the right one in stock for every possible services combination. The old one probably was for internet (digital permissive) in addition to TV, while the new likely is for "Limited Basic Cable" only, locking out all forms of digital. Could be "home of free HD" is an expired policy.
post #1690 of 1737
For the past week I noticed that ABC, ch 28 has stopped broadcasting in 5.1 audio. At first I thought it was my equipment, however other channels show up in 5.1 I am using OTA, not cable.
post #1691 of 1737
A June 4 decode in San Antonio of WTOG-44 from there http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/images/20120604-002901-1_WTOG-DT-44.1.jpg
I'd gotten them a few times in the 1973-1998 era http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/images/wtog1975.jpg http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/ra/wtog75-a.ra
but this was first time since the DTV conversion.
Also got the WKCF and WHLV from Orlando http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBop2djzR80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5dYjEMhql4
for my first over 1000-mile DTV tropo catches.
post #1692 of 1737
That's cool - all the way across the Gulf.

The best I've done in the DTV age is to get some Miami stations in here to central Florida on a couple of mornings.

Harry
post #1693 of 1737
My over-1000 mile NTSC TV tropo catches were rare http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/1kmiTVtr.txt but numerous vs the DTV ones!
post #1694 of 1737
Did a scan this morning and got WSVT-LD on 18.1 and WSPF-CD on 35.1 through 35.4. WSVT carries Daystar while all 4 on WSPF are test patterns. Did these two get an increase in their towers' power? I'm picking them up on a standard indoor antenna from Thonotosassa without any amplifiers right now.
post #1695 of 1737
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Originally Posted by Zach_L View Post

Did a scan this morning and got WSVT-LD on 18.1 and WSPF-CD on 35.1 through 35.4. WSVT carries Daystar while all 4 on WSPF are test patterns. Did these two get an increase in their towers' power? I'm picking them up on a standard indoor antenna from Thonotosassa without any amplifiers right now.
I have a HD7698P about 50' off the ground about 57 miles NNW of Riverview, only occasionally get 18.1 (0 now), and don't recall ever getting 35.x (0 now).
post #1696 of 1737
WSPF-CD is very new. It will carry MundoFox this fall.

- Trip
post #1697 of 1737
I notice that WTTA-DT2 (thecooltv) is not on the air anymore. Is that where perhaps the rumored Tampa RTV is going?

Harry
post #1698 of 1737
Sinclair Station?
post #1699 of 1737
What's the deal with Sinclair and TheCoolTV?
post #1700 of 1737
Sinclair pulled it on 8/31 (on all 37 stations) for rumours of non payment (just like thecooltv did with Journal broadcasting)
post #1701 of 1737
Does anybody happen to have a list of channels for Verizon FiOS when you plug cable wire directly into your HDTV and scan?

I use it enough to know where the major Tampa Bay broadcast networks are, and where the FOX from Orlando is hiding. Apparently, since some parts of Polk County get the Orlando FOX, it is available through the straight cable wire approach, even though here in Tampa, you can't get it using the cable box -- and I use this for football purposes to get a different football game on when WOFL differs from what is shown here. (Like in Week 4, I expect them to show SF-NYJ at 1 p.m. while the local FOX has nothing due to NFL rules.)

Anyways, I just figured if someone had a list, I could print it up and keep it handy.
post #1702 of 1737
I wish I could add something to this, but for some bizarre reason this forum is extremely slow despite us living in a huge TV market.

I just moved to the area and am quite astonished by how empty our thread is. (FIOS isn't in our St. Pete neighborhood yet.)
post #1703 of 1737
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

I wish I could add something to this, but for some bizarre reason this forum is extremely slow despite us living in a huge TV market.
I just moved to the area and am quite astonished by how empty our thread is. (FIOS isn't in our St. Pete neighborhood yet.)

I think some people use a different forum. Tampabaytv or something like that.

Just a heads up, Brighthouse added NFL Network. Channel 1145.
post #1704 of 1737
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Originally Posted by bubbaprog View Post

I wish I could add something to this, but for some bizarre reason this forum is extremely slow despite us living in a huge TV market.

Give it a couple of weeks, the snowbirds have not quite moved down there yet.
post #1705 of 1737
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Originally Posted by himey View Post

I think some people use a different forum. Tampabaytv or something like that.
Just a heads up, Brighthouse added NFL Network. Channel 1145.

Do you mean http://www.tampahdtv.com/ ?

That board's slower than THIS one.

Harry
post #1706 of 1737
It has been slow the last few years.

Some Tampa people post in the BHN Orlando thread here to discuss BHN stuff.
post #1707 of 1737
Seems to me there would be areas of overlap with Orlando and Tampa OTA antenna reception. Depending upon location, if I had an antenna, I would try to receive both markets.
post #1708 of 1737
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Originally Posted by HDOrlando View Post

It has been slow the last few years.
Some Tampa people post in the BHN Orlando thread here to discuss BHN stuff.

Okay, thanks. I should note that I ordered BHN and set up the install on Wednesday from 8-noon, they hadn't arrived by noon and I called and they claimed I had no order and had never made an order. They ended up not being able to come out until Friday; I wasted an entire day sitting in a house that didn't have any internet (so I couldn't work) because of their screwup.
post #1709 of 1737
Does anyone know what the deal is with Accuweather in Tampa. ABC28 was affiliated with them and dropped them earlier this year. There were reports on the web that some Fox O&O's, including FOX13, were going to start the service "this summer" but so far nothing's materialized on WTVT that I can tell.

Is there perhaps some 6-month exclusivity arrangement with ABC28 that they're waiting out?

Harry
post #1710 of 1737
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Originally Posted by HGN2001 View Post

Does anyone know what the deal is with Accuweather in Tampa. ABC28 was affiliated with them and dropped them earlier this year. There were reports on the web that some Fox O&O's, including FOX13, were going to start the service "this summer" but so far nothing's materialized on WTVT that I can tell.
Is there perhaps some 6-month exclusivity arrangement with ABC28 that they're waiting out?
Harry

I wish they'd all end their stupid weather subchannels and restore full bandwidth to the stuff they're actually supposed to be broadcasting.
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