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post #31 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:01pm
While I never heard that before, I find your statement that -"Most people buying digitals only expect to use them as long as or less than their warranty." VERY interesting. I don't own one, but is the reliability SO bad that people feel they have to dump them BEFORE the warranty runs out?

That would REALLY make CRT the KING of reliability!:D

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post #32 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:08pm
Thread Starter 
Yep, I'd say that last statement is overstated..:)

You're bound to have (and trust me, I've sold enough CRT's to former digital owners) extreme tech shock when a digital fails just out of warranty.

When I sell the odd digital set into sports bars with limited use, I still tell them to expect no more than 18-24 months.

The bar owners that are realistic appreciate the honesty, and I get the sale over the commision sales guy that says it's good for 10 years. The ones that aren't realistic come back in 18-24 months to buy their second one..:)

Curt
post #33 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:25pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Curt Palme
Yep, I'd say that last statement is overstated..:)

You're bound to have (and trust me, I've sold enough CRT's to former digital owners) extreme tech shock when a digital fails just out of warranty.

When I sell the odd digital set into sports bars with limited use, I still tell them to expect no more than 18-24 months.

The bar owners that are realistic appreciate the honesty, and I get the sale over the commision sales guy that says it's good for 10 years. The ones that aren't realistic come back in 18-24 months to buy their second one..:)

Curt
Selling digitals eh! In some places, that's considered a felony. I wouldn't say that too loud.:p
post #34 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:40pm
QQQ, QQQ, QQQ
You are here again to cause havoc on us poor old CRT fellas (and biotches) in denial of the digital wave.

Quote:
And most CRT RP setups DO suck.
Well I'm glad you said MOST because IMO a well calibrated 9" tube RPTV makes a stunning image. Even some of the 7" units when set up correctly are not too bad.
I am curious as to your opinion of the LCD and DLP RPTVs currently selling.

Anyhow what I really want to know is what your search cosists of since you USUALLY only show when digital is mentioned.
Let me guess digital and CRT?
I know you are not gonna waste your time reading CRT posts are you?

BTW- remember when I was considering an HT 1000 in place of my XG135LC. Well I changed my mind. Not because I don't appreciate a good digital image but I deceided that the money from the now sold XG was better spent on high end speaker cables and a cheap CRT. LOL

Seriously though QQQ.
I love it when you visit.
Has grandma recovered from the CRT falling on and killing Grandpa tragedy?
post #35 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:50pm
QQQ can't help it. Work is slow, the digital forums are boring, and the noly entertainment is in our company. Let's be kind to the flashlight-waving monkey. :D
post #36 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:55pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Energeezer
QQQ, QQQ, QQQ
You are here again to cause havoc on us poor old CRT fellas (and biotches) in denial of the digital wave.
And there I thought "biotch" (pronounced B-itch) was the name of Curt's girlfriend with the broken Philips TV. :confused:
post #37 of 318
7/13/04 at 5:57pm
Steve,

I only have a second at the moment so I'll only respond to the part about 9" CRT RP. There are only two 9" CRT RP units I remember ever existing, one by Philips and one by Mitsubishi. Are there some I'm missing?

And you may recall I advised you to keep your XG :).
post #38 of 318
7/13/04 at 6:00pm
QQQ,
Are you going to CEDIA ?

Art
post #39 of 318
7/13/04 at 6:03pm
Quote:
Originally posted by QQQ
There are only two 9" CRT RP units I remember ever existing, one by Philips and one by Mitsubishi. Are there some I'm missing?
Here's one you missed:
madclammer has a nice Marquee 9500 9" CRT RP ;)
post #40 of 318
7/13/04 at 6:21pm
Quote:
And there I thought "biotch" (pronounced B-itch) was the name of Curt's girlfriend with the broken Philips TV.
Well you are right and since she is by default or maybe Curts fault a CRTer and not a fella and she calls herself biotch (pronounced bee otch BTW) I fig I should mention her:D
post #41 of 318
7/13/04 at 6:29pm
QQQ
The Mits is the one I was thinking of. I saw one in Toronto fully calibrated to D6500 by a tech along with a bevy of focus and geo tweaks. You will have to trust me when i say it was quite impressive. I think it was a 65 or 72 inch but I'm not sure.

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And you may recall I advised you to keep your XG
As Data may say to QQQ. You are correct sir.
Thats one of the things I like about your visits. You may not have a love for CRT but you won't lead a poor CRTer astray.

As I heard in 7-11 from my friend Mr. Dalliwall

tank you Com agin

steve
post #42 of 318
7/13/04 at 7:12pm
Quote:
Originally posted by techman707
While I never heard that before, I find your statement that -"Most people buying digitals only expect to use them as long as or less than their warranty." VERY interesting. I don't own one, but is the reliability SO bad that people feel they have to dump them BEFORE the warranty runs out?

That would REALLY make CRT the KING of reliability!:D
The reason, as I see it, that digital buyers will upgrade around the time their warranty is up, is that the current projectors will be significantly better. Just like all those expensive computers we throw out a few years later. I love my C-64 but it's time has passed... :)

I don't know why some people try and propagate the notion that digital projectors aren't reliable. Go to the digital forums and you will see few threads about projectors failing. Compare that to the CRT forum. There are lots of digital projector guys that used to own CRTs who said they switched because they wanted better reliability. Most people who go from digital to CRT do it because you get a better picture at a given price point. Give credit where credit is due.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see CRTs as being more reliable... That said it is not enough to dissuade me from getting a CRT. I just have to find one of those can't pass deals that are often mentioned on this forum.

James
post #43 of 318
7/13/04 at 7:39pm
James
I'm a CRTer and i'm with ya.
No way is CRT more reliable. They are however more fixable when broken.
Steve
post #44 of 318
7/13/04 at 9:09pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Energeezer
Well I'm glad you said MOST because IMO a well calibrated 9" tube RPTV makes a stunning image. Even some of the 7" units when set up correctly are not too bad. I am curious as to your opinion of the LCD and DLP RPTVs currently selling.
I personally don't think they look very good when I see them in the stores and believe it or not that's about all I know about them. I have not been involved with any RP TV for a few years now. Our market is pretty much limited to the very high-end and none of those clients want big RP sets. They are always going plasma and/or FP. In the casual viewing rooms or media room they go plasma. If they want a home theater they go FP.
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Has grandma recovered from the CRT falling on and killing Grandpa tragedy?
It was Grandma that was killed, NOT Grandmpa. If you are going to commiserate with me over a painful family tragedy for God's sake man, could you at least get your facts straight?
post #45 of 318
7/13/04 at 9:47pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Energeezer
J
I'm a CRTer and i'm with ya.
No way is CRT more reliable.
I call BULL!

Find me a single digital on the face of this planet with 50K + hours on it like many Barcos and E'homes come to me with.

'Nuff said.

Curt
post #46 of 318
7/13/04 at 9:53pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Energeezer
Well you are right and since she is by default or maybe Curts fault a CRTer and not a fella and she calls herself biotch (pronounced bee otch BTW) I fig I should mention her:D
Otch, Itch, I guess it's a regional thing. Here on the East coast it's pronounced Itch, the Bee is the same. However, I don't understand WHY she only has a broken down Philips TV, Curt should be able to do better than that.

ARE YOU HEARING ME CURT?
post #47 of 318
7/13/04 at 10:07pm
I second the bull call...

I have a Sony VPH-1030Q made in 1986 still chummin' along and spanking digital ass for an entry-level CRT. I also have a 12 year old Sony VPH-1271Q with 9000+ hours on it and she's still going strong.

And for reference, 50,000 hours is 5 years and 8 months or 33,333 feature-length movies. :cool:
post #48 of 318
7/13/04 at 10:07pm
Thread Starter 
Yo yo yo, knowwhutI'msayin'?

It's Bee-yotch, and she now has a JVC 27".

Not quite a projector (at least it's still a CRT), but she's coming up in 2 weeks from now (who's volunteering to help clean up my place to feminine standards!) and she'll see what a 6X8 screen is all about.

Curt
post #49 of 318
7/13/04 at 10:14pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Curt Palme
I call BULL!

Find me a single digital on the face of this planet with 50K + hours on it like many Barcos and E'homes come to me with.

'Nuff said.
When you write absurd stuff like that are you laughing uncontrollably?

Oh, and don't try to tell me these new laser printers are as reliable as typewriters either. I've got a hundred year old typewriter that still works. Find me a hundred year old laser printer that still works. Same logic. Nuff said.
post #50 of 318
7/13/04 at 10:16pm
Thread Starter 
No Q, I do it just so that you can rack up your useless post count..:)

Curt
post #51 of 318
7/13/04 at 11:16pm
I think we CRT owners should offer to host a digital projector nut to bring their ultra-portable "point and shoot" bulb projector to set up in our CRT Home Theaters so A/B comparisons could be done.

Then see how many digital guys convert to CRT and vice-versa. Now that would be a scorecard!

Paul
post #52 of 318
7/13/04 at 11:40pm
Quote:
Originally posted by pkarmouche
I think we CRT owners should offer to host a digital projector nut to bring their ultra-portable "point and shoot" bulb projector to set up in our CRT Home Theaters so A/B comparisons could be done.

Then see how many digital guys convert to CRT and vice-versa. Now that would be a scorecard!
Tell you what. I've already done this twice. How about if a CRT owner brings a CRT (or two) over to my place for a shootout with my Qualia? That would be fun. :)

--Darin
post #53 of 318
7/13/04 at 11:56pm
For Home Theater - the portability of a projector is, in my opinion, flat at the bottom of the scale of importance. Well maybe there are a few things less important, like power cord length or something but anyway portability of the PJ is akin to portability of the screen itself.

Nevertheless, common sense would dictate the CRT owners host the Digital projectors.

Flames not necessary, Darin your point is noted.

:)

Paul
post #54 of 318
7/14/04 at 3:48am
Quote:
Originally posted by pkarmouche
For Home Theater - the portability of a projector is, in my opinion, flat at the bottom of the scale of importance. Well maybe there are a few things less important, like power cord length or something but anyway portability of the PJ is akin to portability of the screen itself.

Nevertheless, common sense would dictate the CRT owners host the Digital projectors.

Flames not necessary, Darin your point is noted.

:)

Paul
I think it's been pretty well established that at the present time, there are NO digital projectors that have better picture quality than CRT, so to do it anymore would only be comparing the quality of the actual setup.

Darin,

As a member of PETA, I take offense at shooting ANY animals, let alone those cute little Quala bears. Where did you get one of those? I thought you were on the West coast, have you moved down under?

LEAVE THE QUALIAS ALONE, WHILE THEY'RE SMALL AND CUTE, THEY BREAK EASILY AND THEY'RE NO MATCH FOR A REAL BEAR !!!

Bruce

Extinguishers on standby and ready to go

cc: Koala the Qualia bear
post #55 of 318
7/14/04 at 6:37am
Quote:
Originally posted by Curt Palme
I call BULL!

Find me a single digital on the face of this planet with 50K + hours on it like many Barcos and E'homes come to me with.

'Nuff said.

Curt
Well I'm sorry but I need to call bull on you.
Find me someone who claims they have a 50000 hr CRT of any brand THAT HAS NOT NEEDED REPAIR ALONG THE WAY and I'll find you a liar.
Like I said the CRTs are easier to fix.
As a result of this they get fixed and accumulate more hours.
Problem is that in many instances it is not economically feasable to fix a digital so thier lives are shorter.

Steve
post #56 of 318
7/14/04 at 6:44am
Now, now, we give Curt a lot more credibility as someone that installs projectors than you, QQQ. Anonymity does have its drawbacks.
post #57 of 318
7/14/04 at 6:52am
Ferret
Actually in this case (and no offense to Curt) he makes his living off the CRTs.
QQQ makes his off digital (I think) so one would have to say that neither has an unbiased view.

Steve
post #58 of 318
7/14/04 at 6:56am
Quote:
Originally posted by Curt Palme
Yo yo yo, knowwhutI'msayin'?

It's Bee-yotch, and she now has a JVC 27".

Not quite a projector (at least it's still a CRT), but she's coming up in 2 weeks from now (who's volunteering to help clean up my place to feminine standards!) and she'll see what a 6X8 screen is all about.

Curt
Give her a 50,000 hour CRT pj.

As for 50K hour digitals, the jury is still out on that. Since it would take about 6 years of 24/7 to get to 50K hours.
post #59 of 318
7/14/04 at 7:00am
Thread Starter 
Steve, I still call BULL..:)

Let's assume for a sec that a typical digital lasts 4000 hours before something fails that makes it disposable.

With the pricing of new CRT parts (let's roll the clock back 6-7 years when everything was available from the various manufacturers, and let's assume that the average price of a PC board was $1500.00 USD), there's no way that any corporation would put up with a $1500.00 + repair every 3K hours, assuming that we stick with your claim that CRT is less reliable than a digital.

Remember, that we are seeing used units that already have accumulated hours on them. Even a NOS CRT with 0 hours on it that's 10 years old won't be as reliable as a new one back 10 years ago due to component aging and contact oxidation.

I've seen enough 20-30K + hour machines thru here with all original boards on them (BArcos have the serial number of the set stamped on each board), and yeah, the power supply joints have all been resoldered, but everything else looks original.

With the lack of component level techs out there even 10 years ago, I'd asusme that the vast majority of repairs were done by board replacement.

So I would say that the mean time between failures on a CRT would be well in excess of 10K hours, based on what I've seen.

Flame suit on!..:)

Curt
post #60 of 318
7/14/04 at 7:03am
Quote:
Originally posted by Energeezer
Ferret
Actually in this case (and no offense to Curt) he makes his living off the CRTs.
QQQ makes his off digital (I think) so one would have to say that neither has an unbiased view.

Steve
I'm just ribbing QQQ, and he knows it.
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