Official Toshiba H83/H84 CRT Thread

The 56pt. convergence effects all inputs, however, if you want your TV to save your adjustments to the "Touch Focus" button, I believe you still need to do it through the service menu. Another advantage of the the 56pt-er through the service menu is that you get a fullscreen grid as opposed to a series of "+"s, and therefore, can get a more accurate convergence.

My contrast is 50 and my brightness is around 42 - set using the "Pluge w/ Gray Scale" and "Reverse Greyramp" tests on DVE.

Jim, congrats on starting the new thread. Your #'s are almost dead on with my 46H83. Do you have a cali disc? If so which one did you use . Enjoy the set and this will be a great place to converse about them.

Jim - my settings are about the same - contrast 37 brightness 42 - though I have to admit for SD I set it up beginning with the standard mode, not movie - and turned the sharpness down to 17.

I found that turning off svm on sd (by starting in movie) then reducing sharpness made the picture too soft. On digital channels like HBO I like the settings starting on Movie a bit better though. But frankly more of my TV viewing is NOT on HBO - movies I watch DVD over composite.

What are you other settings for broadcast? Sharpness? Tint? Color? Temp?

I just got DVE in the mail today - so I'll do my composite input tonight or tomorrow, but will probably try and just continue eyeballing broadcast.

I have not yet gotten HD yet as our cable company only offers 5 channels - though I will be getting it before the Olympics start.

Here's a question: when you guys watch movies on 480p, do you upconvert to 540 or 1080? I can't really tell a difference.......

I want a new DVD as well now and am considering a 318 - but am having a hard time deciding......

Brad

You are correct - you need to be in full mode if you are feeding a dvd to the tv and your dvd is set to a 16:9 television. I get a little whacked out by this stuff too, but that's what I'm doing - DVD set to 16:9 and progressive, then the TV set to full. I have yet to try 4:3 stuff from the DVD though.

Apparently if you put it on "normal" it looks at the signal the way it is encoded on the disc, rather than taking the uncompressed image and putting it on correctly - or something like that. I read a post mentioning that. I can tell you this, which is weird - we rented Spy Kids 2 for my kids over the weekend and I went to put it on - I put it in "normal" to see if it was letterboxed or not and it looked like it wasn't, which struck me as strange, but every now and then Blockbuster does buy the Pan and Scan versions of movies, and I don't know why.

At any rate, I assumed it was 4:3 and let them watch it in Theater Mode 1 to stretch it. Then on a whim I switched to full, thinking it would distort it the was Full distorts all 4:3, and was surprised to see that it was 16:9 after all and worked great.

I'm still a beginner with the whole widescreen thing though, so I rely on this place as much as everyone else :-)

There are just too many combinations of settings between the dvd and tv to keep it all straight sometimes, and be sure you are setting everything where it should be set....but I'm getting it down as time goes on.

Brad

Glad to see that we finnaly have our own thread. Quick questions, and keep in mind I dont have the H84 tv yet. I plan on hooking up my new dvd player w/proggesive on it. If I keep the tv at 540p I am using the DVD scaler correct?? I plan to do it this way, because my dvd player has the 12 bit-108 mhz DAC coverter, supposdly its better than the average 10bit-54mhz. So if I keep the tv at 540p there shouldnt be any scaling right?? Also like many of you, I will set my dvd to say I have 16:9 tv, so should I leave my connection on full. It just sound like using full, takes up the whole tv, which is somthing I dont want. For example, lets say I am watching saving private ryan, its 1:85, so even on a widescreen tv, I should get some black lines. But it sounds like if i set my tv to full, it will strecth the picture, and get rid of black lines, am i correct in assuming this??

thanks, yea i guess only dvd with "enhanced for 16:9" will be the only one with no bars. I appreciate the quick response. Been hearing from lots of dealers that the 65H84 should be out within days. Time to see if Sears and ABT will match online prices

gofast, Are you meaning component instead of composite. If you really are hooked up with composite(yellow single video cable) you need to switch to component(red, green and blue video cable). If your current dvd player doesn't have these then you should at least be using S-video . I don't think that a composite connection even passes 480 lines . And i'm running progressive on and TV set at 540p. I tried all combinations of prog. on and off , 540p and 1080i switching and it came out the best. I used patterns which are on VE and DVE (the resolution patterns and the ones with fine lines in patterns and boxes).You can see differences on the finely detailed patterns such as more or less flickering and noise etc. with each change of the dvd or your sets modes.

The 480p coming from your DVD player would still need to be upconverted to 540p by the TV. The only way to avoid having the TV upconvert is to get a DVD player capable of outputting a 1080i signal (unless 540p-capable DVD players exist outside of my knowledge).


Pretty much as Jim said, only 1.78:1 and 1.33:1 ratio movies/shows will completely eliminate black bars when in "Full" mode.


The 65H84 is already on sale here.

Would someone please post the approximate height and width (in inches) of the viewable area of the 57H84.
Thanks!

Composite and S-Video top out at 480i. You need component, DVI, or HDMI to get anything above that.

Please excuse my ignorance, but does that mean a progressive scan DVD player with component outs passes a 480p signal or a 540p?

That information isn't published by Toshiba, but based on a few measurements of my 46H84 and a little math I'd guesstimate about 49.5" x 28.0" (which would give you about 56.87" diagonally).

Thanks!

No apologies necessary. A regular progressive scan DVD player would send out a 480p signal over component.

So that means that such a signal would be "upconverted" by the Toshiba to 540p or 1080i? Is there a general consensus preferring one to the other, or is it in the eye of the beholder?

Yes, and yes on the eye of the beholder bit IMO.

I went ahead and bought the 46H84 today. The white line is just as visible as it was on my 42H83, maybe even more so, and is also about an inch or so right of center. Would the fix be the same as it was on the 46H83? Hopefully it won't be too much of a hassle to have fixed. Other than that I am very pleased with it but there is no excuse that the white line still has not been fixed. The picture seems to be a bit brighter than it was on 42H83 as well. I have not noticed any brushed aluminum lines or jail bars either. Other than the white line everything seems good.

sorry to hear the tv has this problem still, was wondering if you can take a picture of this white line you are noticing. If you could that be great, I would assume it had to be real up close, but just want to see how it looks in person.

Be sure to check your television's overscan. The white line on my 46H84 also seemed off-center to the right at first, but an overscan pattern showed me that the image was off-center to the right as well. The fix should be identical to that of the 83 series, but I don't believe that's been confirmed by anyone yet.

I cannot believe that Toshiba Has not addressed the problem in the 84 series sets. UNBELIEVABLE! It's a shame really because these sets have a great picture at any price and especially for the price we can get them for.
I've stated numerous times that i've never seen it on my set and me and my wife and daughter have looked for it on numerous occasions. But i know
it obviously exists. Toshiba can't expect us to believe that they are not aware of it.
Jim, i hope you get a good response from them and keep everybody posted on the response they send you.
Faheem, from what i understand, it's going to be next to impossible to get a picture of the line due to the fact that it doesn't show itself very often, it's usually very faint, doesn't occur for more than a fraction of a second, and with the lag time on most digital cameras between pushing the button and actually taking the picture it would be gone by then.I've even heard of people trying to press pause on their DVD players where the line appears but it goes away when they press pause because the camera or scene has to be panning across(moving right to left or vice versa) to see the white line. Good luck to everybody and their Toshies and great thread!

Especially when they could have completely eliminated the problem for less than $1 per unit on the production line (that's including labor, although they could probably automate that). I guess some beancounter within Toshiba decided it would be cheaper to disassemble, repair, and then reassemble 2-4% of the sets under warranty then to simply fix the problem when it was easiest to do so.

Of course, what they've failed to consider is that anyone who asks about Toshiba online at any half-decent AV site is going to hear about this problem, and as a result, may go with another brand instead.

It really is unexusable that the white line has not been fixed, but I still would not let it keep me from buying the 46H84 because it can be easily fixed with a service call. I think I am pretty happy with mine. I did the 56 pt. convergence and used the THX optimizer on Monsters Inc. to get my settings right. I will probably get DVE eventually, but I don't see how it would make much difference. I ran the perfect circle test on the THX Optimizer and everything seemed to be centered perfectly. The rectangle outside the circle was perfectly straight and there was about a half inch of black space outside the rectangle all the way around the TV. Does that mean that my geometry and overscan are alright?

Yes - of course I did - I do that all the time. I only use component, but hope to go to dvi/hdmi as soon as I get a new DVD.

Brad

David118383 you said you can call this problem in and Toshbia will come out and fix it for free. If so can you tell us who you talked to or what the process was. I dont have my H84 yet, but if i am one of the unfortunate who can see it, then I would love if i can call it in.

You can find the service bulletin for the white line fix over at the Spot. I would just print it out and take it to your service center.