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post #241 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Yunus View Post

When I lived in Vegas, I had HSI installed from Cox there. It didnt work when the sun was shining directly on the cable because the cable was older and not shieled properly. Is the cable running on the side of your house or anywhere that would expose it to direct sunlight?

Thanks for your reply. However, my cable is all buried. The signal is not terrible but there is a noticable decrease in quality when the temps start to climb. I rjust ead another re. problems since Cox started with digital simulcast........perhaps my problem is related.
post #242 of 8481
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

Anyone else get firmware 12.31 yesterday? What exactly does this fix and will we be getting Passport 2.7 anytime soon as well?

Has anyone seen anything different following this update (16 May)? I just returned from a trip so I have not done much digging but a with a quick look, I can't see any changes. I have a Moto 6416 DVR. Maybe the update did not effect these boxes. My system did reboot that morning though so I expect that something was changed.
post #243 of 8481
I asked this in the Norfolk HDTV thread, but I figured it might be better to ask here.

I have a question for Occasio. Why won't Cox work out a deal with LIN and Belo? I just checked and Cox is providing service in Phoenix from a Belo owned station and probably other markets as well. If I looked I would be willing to bet that I could find a market where LIN is providing HD on Cox. I know they do with Comacast and DirecTV. I'm only asking you because you are our resident Cox expert so please don't think that I am attacking you, but if the BS that I have been told over and over by Cox about how LIN and Belo won't cooperate with anyone were true, it's pretty damn hard to explain how Cox is providing their stations to other markets. It just dosen't seem right.
post #244 of 8481
Sad thing is that's what I was told so I will ask those in a higher pay bracket than myself. If you look at the Arizona lineup its a heck of alot better than ours overall. They have key sports channels that we don't have as well. I'll see what I can find out though.
post #245 of 8481
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Originally Posted by occasio View Post

Sad thing is that's what I was told so I will ask those in a higher pay bracket than myself. If you look at the Arizona lineup its a heck of alot better than ours overall. They have key sports channels that we don't have as well. I'll see what I can find out though.

I know that you don't control the situation, but you have to admit that it is BS. I mean here we are being told that LIN and Belo are uncooperative and they won't provide HD service without extra money and Cox is trying to protect it's customers and then we find out Cox is dealing with them in other markets. It seems pretty hypocritical that Cox would work a deal for a larger market and then lie to us. I'd be willing to shell out a buck or two a month more for these local HDs.
post #246 of 8481
We don't know what it is. This is a different territory with different people negotiating. Cox is a big company that is divided into regions. It is also into more than just TV The TV companies are also big and may have some similar divisions. Perhaps the regions are semi-autonomous? Perhaps someone is trying to make the numbers (read profit lines) look good?

We are just the end-user and basically a captive audience. It is either Cox or D*. HDTV is just a pimple on an elephant's behind. We also don't have a clue as to what, who, when or where.

The only thing we can do is get frustrated. The best thing to do is take the family out or go fishing.
post #247 of 8481
True that it is a different area, but it is still the same two companies. If Cox can negotiate a deal with these corps. for one market, seems logical they can for other areas as well. The point I'm trying to make is it seems less of a matter of can and more of a matter of won't.
post #248 of 8481
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

the same two companies.

Actually each Region of Cox is ran independent. That is why you may see VOIP in Vegas but not here and regional line-ups. Companies can choose to negotiate nationally or independently. That's one of Cox's strongest assets the localism of each region. Last year for instance we donated $4M locally. If it was done nationally it would've taken more time & red tape. I wonder if this will play into national & state franchising as well.
post #249 of 8481
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

I know that you don't control the situation, but you have to admit that it is BS. I mean here we are being told that LIN and Belo are uncooperative and they won't provide HD service without extra money and Cox is trying to protect it's customers and then we find out Cox is dealing with them in other markets. It seems pretty hypocritical that Cox would work a deal for a larger market and then lie to us. I'd be willing to shell out a buck or two a month more for these local HDs.

Corporate hypocracy? Say it aint so! There is no real incentive for either side to give in. Thats why this has been going on for two or three years now. Why don't you just throw in the towell and spend fifty bucks on an antenna? Save yourself a lot of frustration.
post #250 of 8481
$50 I got mine for $20 and it works great.
post #251 of 8481
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Originally Posted by occasio View Post

$50 I got mine for $20 and it works great.

Yeah, I have a $24 yagi from Radio Shack but last time I looked Ratshack had gone out of the antenna business. All they sell is rabbit ears now. I think the CM 4228 is the one everyone else is using. I believe it is around fifty bucks.
post #252 of 8481
TO TEST IF THE CHANNEL IS DIGITAL OR ANALOG YET

Tune to a single-digit channel (ex: Ch. 9). These "basic cable" channels would normally be received as analog without ADS.
Press CABLE then POWER to shut off the box.
Immediately press OK/SELECT to enter the Diagnostic Main Menu.
Press DOWN ARROW to "d06 CURRENT CHANNEL STATUS" and press OK/SELECT.
If the "Type" is "ANALOG", you do not have ADS.
If the "Type" is "DIGITAL", you may have ADS (this tuner may be tuned to a digital channel that wouldn't use ADS, check the other tuner in the next step to see if it is tuned to an analog channel).
Press DOWN ARROW to scroll to the second page showing details for Tuner 2.
If the "Type" is "ANALOG", you do not have ADS.
If the "Type" is "DIGITAL", and the "Type" of Tuner 1 was also "DIGITAL", you have ADS.
Press OK/SELECT then POWER to exit the Diagnostic Menu. The box will now be off.

MORE CHANNELS ARE COMING TOMORROW. NOW YOU SHOULD HAVE ONLY THE LIMITED CABLE CHANNELS IN DIGITAL
post #253 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

Corporate hypocracy? Say it aint so! There is no real incentive for either side to give in. Thats why this has been going on for two or three years now. Why don't you just throw in the towell and spend fifty bucks on an antenna? Save yourself a lot of frustration.


I already have a Channel Master 4228 in my attic for the locals. Problem is A) I can't DVR them B) The HDMI out on my OTA box just died and I don't have a tuner built in on my TV in the Den. So now I have to buy a new box for the locals but I still can't tape the channels. Life would be so much simpler if the Moto boxes had a built in ATSC tuner like the D* HR10-250. Then I would have nothing to complain about.
post #254 of 8481
I agree with you Bob. If I could record OTA in HD I wouldnt care if Cox offered it or not. Maybe offering a box that does record OTA for an additional $5 a month would be a viable option for Cox instead of paying the fees to the stations. Looking at my Motorola box there appears to be lots of inputs/outputs on it. I just assumed that Cox ordered their boxes with only specific inputs/outputs working.

If Cox hadnt hooked me on DVR I wouldnt know any better. But once you have DVR you cant go back.
post #255 of 8481
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Originally Posted by occasio View Post

TO TEST IF THE CHANNEL IS DIGITAL OR ANALOG YET

Thanks!
post #256 of 8481
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

I already have a Channel Master 4228 in my attic for the locals. Problem is A) I can't DVR them B) The HDMI out on my OTA box just died and I don't have a tuner built in on my TV in the Den. So now I have to buy a new box for the locals but I still can't tape the channels. Life would be so much simpler if the Moto boxes had a built in ATSC tuner like the D* HR10-250. Then I would have nothing to complain about.

"If" Cox adopts the new Tivo series 3 box, your problem would be solved. With the new Tivo you would be able to have a cable input and an OTA input within the same box. You could view/record digital/analog, analog/analog, digital/digital cable (same as Moto), PLUS OTA/cable, OTA/OTA, etc.
post #257 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Nmlobo View Post

"If" Cox adopts the new Tivo series 3 box, your problem would be solved. With the new Tivo you would be able to have a cable input and an OTA input within the same box. You could view/record digital/analog, analog/analog, digital/digital cable (same as Moto), PLUS OTA/cable, OTA/OTA, etc.

If COX comes out with their own version of TiVo, I would bet that it won't do OTA.
post #258 of 8481
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

Life would be so much simpler if the Moto boxes had a built in ATSC tuner like the D* HR10-250. Then I would have nothing to complain about.

Yeah, that would be ideal. There is no incentive for Cox to put OTA tuners in their converter boxes. Broadcast TV are their competitors.
post #259 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

Yeah, that would be ideal. There is no incentive for Cox to put OTA tuners in their converter boxes. Broadcast TV are their competitors.

Cox is investigating using Tivo HW/SW - an ongoing survey. To my knowledge, the only HD capable "Tivo branded" DVR will be the Series 3 which will have the six tuners. I suppose Cox could disable the OTA tuners in their version of the box. However, if this becomes the case (and users desire the OTA capability) we could just buy a Tivo series 3 box and rent a cable card from Cox. These boxes will be dual cable card capable.
post #260 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Nmlobo View Post

"If" Cox adopts the new Tivo series 3 box, your problem would be solved. With the new Tivo you would be able to have a cable input and an OTA input within the same box. You could view/record digital/analog, analog/analog, digital/digital cable (same as Moto), PLUS OTA/cable, OTA/OTA, etc.


The Series 3 would be great if the cable companies finalize the Cable Card standard for bi-directional support. Of course if Cox goes to switching at local headends that will kill any advantage for the Series 3 in regard to advanced features and VOD. If Cox goes to the Tivo software, and that's a big if, they will most likely do the same as Comcast and have a custom version of the software made to run on the Moto boxes so there will be no advantage in regard to HD other than a more stable OS.
post #261 of 8481
Does anyone know if the Tivo III boxes will have firewire out? It looks like the golden era of archiving HD may be coming to an end.
post #262 of 8481
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Originally Posted by shugazer9 View Post

Does anyone know if the Tivo III boxes will have firewire out? It looks like the golden era of archiving HD may be coming to an end.

For output it has HDMI, Component Video, S-Video, and Composite Video. It has optical digital audio out, as well as RCA stereo out. It has 2 USB ports, and it also has a 10/100baseT Ethernet jack built-in. It also has an external SATA port.
post #263 of 8481
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Originally Posted by bob13654 View Post

The Series 3 would be great if the cable companies finalize the Cable Card standard for bi-directional support. Of course if Cox goes to switching at local headends that will kill any advantage for the Series 3 in regard to advanced features and VOD. If Cox goes to the Tivo software, and that's a big if, they will most likely do the same as Comcast and have a custom version of the software made to run on the Moto boxes so there will be no advantage in regard to HD other than a more stable OS.

You would not have to use a Moto box with Tivo software. You could use the new Tivo Series 3. "It will have two CableCARD slots on the back and it will support Multi-Stream (CableCARD 2.0) or Single-Stream (CableCARD 1.0) cards. If you have multi-stream then you only need one card, but as long as only single stream cards are available you can use two of them." Since all digital cable systems in the US must support CableCARD it should work with all cable systems, analog or digital.
post #264 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Nmlobo View Post

You would not have to use a Moto box with Tivo software. You could use the new Tivo Series 3. "It will have two CableCARD slots on the back and it will support Multi-Stream (CableCARD 2.0) or Single-Stream (CableCARD 1.0) cards. If you have multi-stream then you only need one card, but as long as only single stream cards are available you can use two of them." Since all digital cable systems in the US must support CableCARD it should work with all cable systems, analog or digital.

I understand that and have followed the Series 3 for some time. I was referring to Cox adding Tivo to thier boxes. Odds are they won't buy the Series 3, but will license the software and customize it for the Moto boxes so they don't have as big an investment. They would be able to "push" it out to the Motos that are in the field the same as a Passport or firmware update with no additional hardware that would have to be bought by Cox and installed. That's, of course, if they go with Tivo in the first place as it has been reported that Cox is going to iGuide in 2007 (TV Guide software). The problem with Cable Card is that, at this time, they are not multi-stream so you will not be able to use VOD, even with two cards, until Cable Labs (the cable companies themselves) ratify the standard and produce the cards. Right now they are stalling on that because they don't want to lose the revenue from renting out DVRs are $15 a piece per month. I will probably buy two Series 3 boxes when they become avaliable, thus solving my OTA problem, but then I lose the VOD option which, while limited, is something that I use from time to time. Additionally, Cox is apparently looking into doing some kind of local switching that is supposed to free up bandwidth, but there is speculation that this may have a negative impact with Cable Card devices including the Series 3.
post #265 of 8481
I thought the 2.0 cards allowed guides & VOD. What we need to worry about is if a la cart comes into effect many channels will go OD. There has been talks for years about something other than passport & we may test in areas but probably not locally. We have way too many people which means way too many issues to test stuff here. Did anyone notice a change in PQ yesterday?
post #266 of 8481
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Originally Posted by occasio View Post

... Did anyone notice a change in PQ yesterday?

What did you mean? What cox channels?

Incidentally, no one replied to my problem report last week, but the Cox Cable Translator for analog Ch 10 is still putting out 1-channel sound -- at least here in Hampton. Last week you could hear right-channel only, this week it is left-channel only.

This audio problem does NOT exist in Cox Ch 810, nor does it occur OTA with an antenna on analog Channel 10 or WAVY-DT (10-1). They all still have good stereo and surround sound.
post #267 of 8481
TByronT I missed that issue, sorry. I'm off finally but I'm going in Friday for a lil while.
post #268 of 8481
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Originally Posted by occasio View Post

Did anyone notice a change in PQ yesterday?

What channels and in what area? I did not notice anything different in York Co. yesterday. Today Chan 66 had noticable lines running from the bottom left of the screen to the upper right. 766 looked fine.
post #269 of 8481
I believe York Co should be running full simulcast but I noticed that problem with 66 again.
post #270 of 8481
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Originally Posted by occasio View Post

I thought the 2.0 cards allowed guides & VOD.


The are supposed to, but they aren't avaliable yet and who knows when they will be avaliable. To be honest, at this point I would be perfectly happy with a Series 3 and two cards installed in it so I could get local HD. I would just hate to buy thing and have it not work with Cox after 6 months.
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