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post #301 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by sfhub
You can put a pause in the middle of a macro. You can even conditionally
put a pause in a macro depending on whether the TV was already on or
needed to be turned on.

IMO most of the stuff you'd want to do with a remote is possible using
JP1 and extender. It's too much to list. Just backing up your config and
editing using PC are a huge jump in functionality. Ability to support
devices not builtin to the remote, conditionals, discretes, custom LCD,
pauses, long key press, nested macros, one button home theatre power
on and input select, etc.
What is the command to put a pause in middle of a macro without JP1, or is there not a command?

Also, do you know if this remote will retain its memory if the batteries die?

Im reading the modified features of this control http://www.avsmarts.com/product_info...oducts_id=5949
and wondering if the 15-2117 has these features.

-2k EEPROM chip and have added the 6-pin header.

-Better range - we've pulled the IR-LED out further to improve the remote's performance

-Permanent Memory - with an EEPROM onboard, this remote will retain it's programming indefinitely, even when the batteries are out.

-The remote now includes the HOME/0167 X10 Home Automation code that's missing from the un-modified remote.
post #302 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
-2k EEPROM chip and have added the 6-pin header.

-Better range - we've pulled the IR-LED out further to improve the remote's performance

-Permanent Memory - with an EEPROM onboard, this remote will retain it's programming indefinitely, even when the batteries are out.

-The remote now includes the HOME/0167 X10 Home Automation code that's missing from the un-modified remote.
There is no command for pause. You need to use JP1 and extender which
has a special protocol for pause. Trust me, just buy or build the JP1
cable, you will be happy with the results.

The 15-2117 has the 6-pin JP1 header builtin, no need to add it.

The 15-2117 retains memory when I swap out batteries. I never left
them out for really long periods of time, but I assume the memory will
be retained and if not, it takes literally 10 seconds to load up the backed
up memory (that includes plugging in the cable, running the app, loading
the backup file, and uploading to remote)

15-2117 has 2 IR transmitters which means it regularly performs better
than many one-for-all remotes which mostly have 1 IR transmitter. OFA
makes the remote for Radio Shack but I guess RS just spec'd it better.

Once you have JP1 cable all the device upgrades are available so it
really doesn't matter whether HOME/0167 is included or not as it is
trivial to add.

I think the cheap price you paid for this remote has you confused. This
is one of the best JP1 remotes you can buy. Some people will have
preference for different layout or more dedicated macro buttons, but
personally I like the 15-2117 layout better because it is very clean and
easy to find all the buttons. Also with Long Key Press, I don't find the
need to have dedicated macro buttons, as all the buttons can serve
multiple functions depending on whether it is short or long key press.
Also there is a shift-button which further lets you overload the buttons.
I prefer the rocker-style vol+/- ahd ch+/- over the 2 offset button style.
post #303 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by sfhub
There is no command for pause. You need to use JP1 and extender which
has a special protocol for pause. Trust me, just buy or build the JP1
cable, you will be happy with the results.

The 15-2117 has the 6-pin JP1 header builtin, no need to add it.

The 15-2117 retains memory when I swap out batteries. I never left
them out for really long periods of time, but I assume the memory will
be retained and if not, it takes literally 10 seconds to load up the backed
up memory (that includes plugging in the cable, running the app, loading
the backup file, and uploading to remote)

15-2117 has 2 IR transmitters which means it regularly performs better
than many one-for-all remotes which mostly have 1 IR transmitter. OFA
makes the remote for Radio Shack but I guess RS just spec'd it better.

Once you have JP1 cable all the device upgrades are available so it
really doesn't matter whether HOME/0167 is included or not as it is
trivial to add.

I think the cheap price you paid for this remote has you confused. This
is one of the best JP1 remotes you can buy. Some people will have
preference for different layout or more dedicated macro buttons, but
personally I like the 15-2117 layout better because it is very clean and
easy to find all the buttons. Also with Long Key Press, I don't find the
need to have dedicated macro buttons, as all the buttons can serve
multiple functions depending on whether it is short or long key press.
Also there is a shift-button which further lets you overload the buttons.
I prefer the rocker-style vol+/- ahd ch+/- over the 2 offset button style.
Thanks for all the info. You convinced me buy a cable :)

I setup some macros on the remote already, but i can see that it will be a PITA without have a long key press (ive already accidentlally pressed the key I assigned to the macro).

Now I need to find a good place to buy a cable :)

I havent soldered a circuit board since college (6 yrs). :)
post #304 of 394
AGHH!

For some reason, the backlight on my remote wont work. Anyone else have this problem?

I press it, hold it, I cant get the light to come on :(

It was working the since Sunday when I bought it. It was the last remote my local store had...
post #305 of 394
I'm currently using 3 of these remotes and the backlights all work.

You don't press and hold to turn the light on, you just press once and
from that point on whenever you press a button the backlight comes on.
Press the light button again, and backlight will not be turned on when
you press any button.
post #306 of 394
However, the backlight will function erratically as the battery wears down. Hopefully, this is the case for you.

But these backlights also have some tendency to break... or at least the connectors break (poor solder or something like that I imagine). This was more common on the old 2104 models (lost the backlight on at least one of those), but I imagine it could happen on these 2117s as well.
post #307 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by plyons10
However, the backlight will function erratically as the battery wears down. Hopefully, this is the case for you.

But these backlights also have some tendency to break... or at least the connectors break (poor solder or something like that I imagine). This was more common on the old 2104 models (lost the backlight on at least one of those), but I imagine it could happen on these 2117s as well.
I dont understand what the problem is. I posted this last night, and it wasnt working. When I got up this morning, I tried it out, it worked fine. When I got home from lunch, it worked for a second, then went off. WTF? I just bought this remote on Sunday, and it has fresh batteries in it.

Any ideas? Can I easily disassemble the remote to see if something is loose?

Another idea I had was to buy the 15-2116, and swap remotes out since they dont have anymore 15-2117s. The 2116 looks like the 2117, is it exactly the same?
post #308 of 394
I think the difference is the 2117 comes with RF and the 2116 doesn't.
post #309 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by chain777
I think the difference is the 2117 comes with RF and the 2116 doesn't.
However... if the misfiring light is annoying enuf, you can solder the RF "puck" from your 2117 into your 2116 and give the 2116 all the RF functionality of the '17!!!!
post #310 of 394
Thread Starter 
or claim the warranty day 1 and forget about it for a month instead of worry about it for a month

or, look harder for a 2117. on the phone ask what districts are around the RS district you are in. Then find out the zip codes of those cities and put them in the 'store finder' on the radioshack web page. Call a couple numbers of the new districts and ask them to tell you the inventories of that district.. Then call those stores and ask for a physical check.
post #311 of 394
Wish I could find one of these... annoying that I can't around me.
post #312 of 394
This thread was started August 5th. You'd be indeed lucky to find any two months later.
post #313 of 394
Thread Starter 
I called ratshack and found they have '3' left in the entire district at 2 stores. The worker was a smarter one and he ran the surrounding districts too: avail none.

The store listed '2' is close, about 6 miles out of my way up a freeway I don't need to use. I called the store for a physical check..they are there.

The other store with '1' was sort close..about 11 miles out of the way. A call revealed it wasn't actually in stock.

I can't resist. I'm going to swing by the one with two in a few hours and pick them up. It's worth it just for the entertainment value.

madpoet,
I asked if they could ship it across state to a store near you if you prepaid.. they can't unless shipped from the wherehouse, which is n/a since these are clearance.

But heck, if you send me $21 ($15+tax+shipping+coffee) and give me any address I'll send you one.
post #314 of 394
Many thanks IC. Sent you a PM.
post #315 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
3. If I do need a JP1 cable, is there any other sites besides the 2 posted in this thread. I just spent $15 on a remote, and I would rather not spend $40 for a cable :)
The two vendors listed are the only people that make JP1 cables, anybody else who sells them gets them from one of those two. You can get a JP1 parallel cable for $14 shipped from Hovis Direct.

Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
I've been reading the various JP1 links. What do most people do with the JP1 apps? I know its a way of hacking the remote, but what are some examples of things you can do with it?
First and foremost, you can add new codes for any un-supported devices, which means the remote is 100% guaranteed to work all of your IR controlled devices. Secondly, you can back up your configuration on your PC, so if the remote dies, you can re-load into a new remote. Thirdly, when you need to tweek your config, you can edit it on your PC. For example, if you want to add a step to an existing macro, without JP1 you would need to delete the macro and start over, with JP1 you can just edit it. Plus, there's a whole host of other super features that JP1 gives you, but there are just too many to mention them all here. Read this thread for some additional JP1 benefits.

Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
Also, is there a way to pause in the middle of a macro? Reason being, my tv takes a couple of seconds to turn on, and the command after the "Power TV" doesnt go thru since the TV didnt fully powerup yet. Its a fairly new TV, Toshiba, and it sort of "boots up" for about 2 seconds or so. (if you know the correct term for this, please let me know)
With JP1 you would just add a variable length pause as a step in the macro, without JP1 you would need to use the "Zenith Pause Trick" (described in FAQ #1.17 here)

Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
do you know if this remote will retain its memory if the batteries die?
Yes it will.

Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
I'm reading the modified features of the modified URC-6131 remote and wondering if the 15-2117 has these features.

-2k EEPROM chip and have added the 6-pin header.

-Better range - we've pulled the IR-LED out further to improve the remote's performance

-Permanent Memory - with an EEPROM onboard, this remote will retain it's programming indefinitely, even when the batteries are out.

-The remote now includes the HOME/0167 X10 Home Automation code that's missing from the un-modified remote.
Yes. The URC-6131 ships minus the 6-pin connector and EEPROM needed for JP1 use, but these are both factory installed into the 15-2117. The 6131 only has one IR-LED that sticks through a hole in the casing whereas the 15-2117 has 2 IR-LEDs that sit behind an IR window, therefore it has twice the signal strength than the 6131 and it has much better anglular range. The factory installed EEPROM gives it permanent memory retention, and it has the HOME/0167 code factory installed.

The reason that I modify the 6131 remote for JP1 use (and AVSMARTS gets them from me) is that it is by far the most popular OFA/RS remote for ReplayTV and Tivo use, and people want to be able to program it using JP1.

Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
Now I need to find a good place to buy a cable
Like I said, there are only two people who make them, Tom @ Filebug and Richard @ Hovis Direct. Everybody else gets them from them, including myself, BlueDo and Surf.

Quote:
Originally posted by spydermonkey311
For some reason, the backlight on my remote wont work. Anyone else have this problem? I press it, hold it, I cant get the light to come on
I suspect that you don't know how the backlight works, and I don't recall how well it's described in the manual.

If the backlight feature is currently off, pressing the light button with BOTH turn the light on and turn the backlight feature on. When the light goes out, which it will after a few seconds, pressing any key will turn it on again. If you press the light button now, you will be turning the backlight feature off, therefore if you press any regular buttons at this point the light won't come on. If you press the light button again, you will be back to square one with the light feature on again.

Quote:
Originally posted by madpoet
Wish I could find one of these... annoying that I can't around me.
I have about 10 of them available, but I'm asking the pre-closeout price of $30 each (they were $50 originally).


Finally, like I said before, it's a much better idea to post questions about this remote either over at Remote Central or in the JP1 Forums as you'll get an immediate answer from the many experts who monitor those forums. There are only a select few of us who are likely to spot a message here in this thread.
post #316 of 394
stupid question... what did radio shack replace the 15-2117 with?

do they have any current models that have the "15-1994" look, or was the 2117 the last one?
post #317 of 394
They still offer the 2116, which is the same as the '17, but just no RF functionality.
post #318 of 394
Well, I exchanged my remote at another Radio Shack. This one seems to be working fine. Hopefully that was a bad remote, and it wont happen on this one.

I still need to get a cable, trying to decide if I want to build one, or buy it built. Could be a fun project, and I was thinking of getting a "Cold Heat" solder gun.

:)
post #319 of 394
I am not sure this is the right place(if not, please point me to one) but i purchased this remote from RS and used it a few times. It does not pass muster with the wife and i recently bought a harmony to operate. The RF module is not even opened. I am willing to sell it for cost price + shipping. you can mail me at srinivos@gmail.com. I also purchased the jp1 cable and sell you both for $30 + shipping.

Nivas
post #320 of 394
Thread Starter 
Sell it to mikecornell! I failed sending him one and I owe him because he sent me 23 EZ Bake covers.


EDIT: If you want send Mike the 2117 and I'll send you the EZ Bake covers.
post #321 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by srinivos
...It does not pass muster with the wife and i recently bought a harmony to operate...
I (for one) would be curious to know the DETAILS of what exactly "the wife" didn't like about the RS 15-2117.

Granted, I may not have a "state-of-the-art" setup here, but both the RS 15-2117 and the URC-6131 fit the bill just fine (and I haven't even ordered the JP1 cable yet! :D )

Now, on the other hand, my son has this "cool" remote [big, square LCD screen, IIRC], that he wanted "so-very-badly" and his dear wife bought him for Christmas for ~$150+ and the last time we visited, he spent SEVERAL MINUTES just staring at it "trying" to remember what-did-what. :confused:

Whereas, *ME*, on-the-other-hand, I am just as happy staring at my ~$15 RS 15-2117 (with it's 2-line LCD) trying to remember what-does-what... ;)
post #322 of 394
Thread Starter 
a bit sexist, a bit intriguing


http://wwwDOTfunnypartDOTcom/pictures/FunnyPart-com-remote.jpg


change 'DOT' to '.'
post #323 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by icecow
a bit sexist, a bit intriguing


http://www.funnypart.com/pictures/Fu...com-remote.jpg
icecow, you are *DEFINITELY* unique! ;)

YOUR remote *DEFINITELY* has more interesting "BUTTONS TO PUSH" than the:
http://www.replacementremotes.com/st...s/150-2117.jpg
Where can I buy *YOUR* remote? :D
post #324 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by srinivos
I am not sure this is the right place(if not, please point me to one) but i purchased this remote from RS and used it a few times. It does not pass muster with the wife and i recently bought a harmony to operate. The RF module is not even opened. I am willing to sell it for cost price + shipping. you can mail me at srinivos@gmail.com. I also purchased the jp1 cable and sell you both for $30 + shipping. Nivas
Your best bet at selling a JP1-enabled remote would be the JP1 forums, so feel free to post something in the Market Place forum if you like.

While on the subject of irrationally priced remotes, you should check out the HT-Pro remote (which is a re-badged "One For All" URC-9910) which can be had from X10.com for just $7.99, and if you spend $50 they'll give you free shipping.

Just FYI, they are using the wrong picture on the site for the HT-Pro, it really looks like this:

http://www.surfremotecontrol.com/Mer...1/HTPRO-lg.jpg
post #325 of 394
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by The Robman
Your best bet at selling a JP1-enabled remote would be the JP1 forums, so feel free to post something in the Market Place forum if you like.

While on the subject of irrationally priced remotes, you should check out the HT-Pro remote (which is a re-badged "One For All" URC-9910) which can be had from X10.com for just $7.99, and if you spend $50 they'll give you free shipping.

Just FYI, they are using the wrong picture on the site for the HT-Pro, it really looks like this:

Will this remote directly control X10 devices via RF signals?
post #326 of 394
Quote:
Originally posted by icecow
Will this remote directly control X10 devices via RF signals?
No. See the 2nd para from the end:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3047
post #327 of 394
Too many pages to scan through... can someone post the method to figure out what protocol a remote is using? I remember there's some jp1 tool, but I can't remember where it's hidden.

Or does IR do this automatically? I see the "disable decode" option. Does IR do this with this option unchecked?
post #328 of 394
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by The Robman
No. See the 2nd para from the end:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3047

Always the gentleman, thanks
post #329 of 394
Thread Starter 
Here's the pdf manual to the "One For All" URC-9910 listed above if anyone gives a rat's A.

http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/8024.pdf


and Programming Codes (ReplayTV is in there):
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/8024codes.pdf
post #330 of 394
Thread Starter 
hmmm...

Robman,

Are you absolutely sure that x10 link you gave is really the rebadged URC-9910?!!

The link clearly shows the Model number as being URC-9811B00.
When I put URC-9811B00 in the 'images' tab of Google I saw the same picture as listed on the x10 site. When I put 'HT-Pro' in the 'images' table of Google I saw some URC-9811B00 pictures and some URC-9910 pictures.

When ordered and went to the checkout page it was listed as:

"Universal URC-9811B00 Home Theater LCD Remote Control "



Perhaps they corrected their web page?

or are there Two 'HT-PRO's?

??
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