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post #811 of 965
I cannot find any noise reduction controls in any of the menu sections. I have gone through every menu section and haven't found it.
post #812 of 965
What is up everybody. Well I'm about 24 hours away on purchasing a 34xs955. The seller told me it was bought brand new last year with limited use. So it should still be under the Sony 2 year warranty. Plus he bought the extended warranty from Magnolia Hifi. Plus it comes with the $350 matching stand. All for $850. It has a few scuffs and cracks on the bottom/right of the exterior but other than that it looks amazing. I went today and it looked great.

You guys think this is a good deal? And what things should of I looked for when looking at this tv? I personally was impressed by the tv. It looked very taken care of. What do you guys think?
post #813 of 965
Streaks. They're more visible on screens of predominantly lights colors and can ruin your viewing experience like nothing else.

In other news, when I use the zoom feature on my TV to compensate for postage-stamp syndrome, the top and left side are one or two inches out of scan range. I know how to adjust overscan for the regular picture, but does anyone know a service code that adjusts the parameters of zoom?
post #814 of 965
I am new to the forum. I noticed that several people were looking to get there hands on this set. I have been a very proud owner of this set for just over a year. I recently purchased a new LCD HDTV and must let this one go. I am located in the Greater Cincinnati area and have the set on Craigslist. I have attached a link for those interested.

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/346363602.html

Thanks to all of you for your postings and insight into all things technical.
post #815 of 965
I've had my Sony KD-36xs955 for awhile now, but I'm just really starting to use it for HD more and more every day. What I've noticed is that anything put in 1080i or 720p mode (from multiple inputs wether upconverted or native HD) gets vertically cropped on the top and bottom. I believe the picture display's something around a 1.95:1 aspect ratio as films or content in 1.85 are slightly cropped, where anything in 1.77:1 is very noticible (ala where'd the top of their heads go?).

I've been into the service menu several times and can't seem to find anything to remedy this problem. Anyone have any thoughts? I'm pretty sure that the TV has done this from the get go... Could it be a defective tube possibly?
post #816 of 965
It might be your sat or cable box. I used to have Directv and the box was incorrectly formatting 16:9 material and squashing the picture. I have since switched to Comcast and the formatting is perfect. I used to use the vertical expand option and that fixed the problem. The only bummer is that I have lost HDMI on this set.
post #817 of 965
theroys88, were you able to defeat the auto-aspect ratio "feature" of this set for hi-def stations? I, too, am experiencing the squashed image problem. I'm not using an STB, but a CableCard. Thanks.
post #818 of 965
I would try getting a HD box from your cable company. If you do a vertical stretch on your remote it will be stretched and you have to do everytime you change channels. Try using a HD box. Keep me posted. I know the Scientific Atlantic box from Comcast does fine with this tv.
post #819 of 965
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Originally Posted by theroys88 View Post

It might be your sat or cable box. I used to have Directv and the box was incorrectly formatting 16:9 material and squashing the picture. I have since switched to Comcast and the formatting is perfect. I used to use the vertical expand option and that fixed the problem. The only bummer is that I have lost HDMI on this set.

The problem is on every HD input. OTA channels, upconverted DVD's over HDMI and HD over component.
post #820 of 965
Set your dvd player to 16:9. As far as the OTA you have to go into the service menu and disable the auto aspect and I have never messed with that. Try a cable box and set your player to 16:9. That should solve your problem with at least 2 of your inputs.
post #821 of 965
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Originally Posted by theroys88 View Post

I would try getting a HD box from your cable company. If you do a vertical stretch on your remote it will be stretched and you have to do everytime you change channels. Try using a HD box. Keep me posted. I know the Scientific Atlantic box from Comcast does fine with this tv.

Hrrrr. This is exactly what I wanted to avoid doing, though. The whole point of getting the CableCard was to provide a direct signal path to the TV without having to mess with another A/V component.

Isn't there a way to defeat the auto-aspect feature via the service menu? Wasn't that something your calibrator was going to do?
post #822 of 965
The TV will automatically go into 16:9 mode for 720p or 1080i content. The problem is you're watching 4:3 content that is then letterboxed by the station as 16:9. There is nothing you can do to get around that, except by watching the SD version of the station.
post #823 of 965
[quote=fleggett]Hrrrr. This is exactly what I wanted to avoid doing, though. The whole point of getting the CableCard was to provide a direct signal path to the TV without having to mess with another A/V component.

Isn't there a way to defeat the auto-aspect feature via the service menu? Wasn't that something your calibrator was going to do?[/QUOTE


Chad did not need to do anything since I had switched to Comcast and found the box to be the fault. Email Chad Billheimer and he may give you the help you need to disable the auto aspect. I agree that it is a flaw in this set. Good luck.
post #824 of 965
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Originally Posted by sirfergy View Post

The TV will automatically go into 16:9 mode for 720p or 1080i content. The problem is you're watching 4:3 content that is then letterboxed by the station as 16:9. There is nothing you can do to get around that, except by watching the SD version of the station.

There are several things I do to get 1080i or 720p 4:3 material out of a postage stamp

1. Watch a 480i feed out of the satellite box. I switch input to video 1 which I feed with s-video from box for this situation

2. Use the zoom in picture control - although the overscan is pretty bad. I havent looked into adjsuting the overscan in service menu
post #825 of 965
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Originally Posted by sirfergy View Post

The TV will automatically go into 16:9 mode for 720p or 1080i content.

But...why? That's like making a car whose windshield wipers activate when the radio is turned on. What does one have to do with the other?

I purchased this TV expecting to see hi-def images in their full 1.33 glory, not squished so that probably 20-30% of the screen real-estate goes unused and what is used looks deformed.

And I know the TV is capable of displaying an HD image edge-to-edge, as the memory stick feature proves.

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The problem is you're watching 4:3 content that is then letterboxed by the station as 16:9. There is nothing you can do to get around that, except by watching the SD version of the station.

Hmmm. Just to be absolutely clear, you're saying the broadcaster is responsible for "warping" the image and there's nothing to be done about it by the TV? Why do, apparently, the use of STBs "fix" this issue? What are the STBs doing that the TV isn't?
post #826 of 965
So you sure the STB is outputting 1080i/720p for shows that are being broadcast in HD but really are just SD content? The shows themselves are squeezed into the 16:9 resolution that is provided by 1080i/720p so I'm not sure the STB can do anything about it except maybe zoom. It won't know it's displaying postage stamp content.
post #827 of 965
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Originally Posted by sirfergy View Post

So you sure the STB is outputting 1080i/720p for shows that are being broadcast in HD but really are just SD content?

Well, I'm talking about shows that are recorded in HD and thunked down to SD, like CSI, Vegas, and others. Movies that were originally shot widescreen and broadcast in HD generally look fine, but even then I occasionally notice squishing.

I'll try to take some pics of what I'm seeing and post them here. It doesn't happen always, so it's hit-or-miss (enough of a hit to be really irritating, though).
post #828 of 965
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Originally Posted by theroys88 View Post

Chad did not need to do anything since I had switched to Comcast and found the box to be the fault. Email Chad Billheimer and he may give you the help you need to disable the auto aspect. I agree that it is a flaw in this set. Good luck.

I just shot a PM to Chad. As I live in Florida, I hope he'll agree to work with me "remotely". Did you mention to him this irksome feature? Do you know if he's at least aware of the issue?

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this, as I'm sure it also plagues the 34" version.
post #829 of 965
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Originally Posted by fleggett View Post

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this, as I'm sure it also plagues the 34" version.

How so? A 34 inch wide screen merely pillar boxes 4:3 content. That;s the only logical way to display 4:3 material on a widescreen set.

The only ones affected by the postage stamping of "HD" 4:3 material are those of us with very capably 4:3 sets that get screwed by the lack of vision by Sony.

They should have provided a 4:3 full screen HD mode -or at least have provided a proper zoom that doesn't overscan
post #830 of 965
He is talking about the auto aspect in this set improperly letterboxing some material. It do do this with my Directv box but not my Comcast box. Hopefully Chad can give you a fix. Good luck. I have two more years with this set and then I am upgrading to a either a Sony XBR or SXRD.
post #831 of 965
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Originally Posted by theroys88 View Post

He is talking about the auto aspect in this set improperly letterboxing some material. It do do this with my Directv box but not my Comcast box. Hopefully Chad can give you a fix. Good luck. I have two more years with this set and then I am upgrading to a either a Sony XBR or SXRD.

I think you are confused, or leaving out part of the story. The set auto "letterboxes" all 1080i or 720p inputs. That in itself is the "improper auto aspect" when you are receiving 4:3 material in an HD signal.

There is no way around it that I am aware of except the overscanned zoom I mentioned or watching an alternate output from your source -as I mentioned I switch to the S-video out from STB that is connected to my video 1 input.

If you are getting different behaviour from an HD source it is likely due to some internal feature that shifts the output to 480i or 480p when it detects a 4:3 window exists in an HD signal. That is not normal at least on my satellite box and is not achievable with the ATSC or QAM tuner either to my knowledge (you have to change to 480i/p - which you could do as well with the stb to get proper 4:3 aspect).

More likely you are reporting behaviour on that COMCAST box that passes the native signal. That would also be nice if available on my Dish network box - unfortunately it is not an available feature - the output is selectable but then fixed. So if the signal is 480i, which many digital non-HD channels are - you will get proper aspect on a 4:3 show due to passing native. In my case I have to switch box settings which is a PITA. But this does not apply to an HD signal - no way around the autoletter boxing unless the tech (Chad?) comes through with a service menu tweak we are unaware of. (Or as I mentioned switch the box output to 480i even though you have a 1080i or 720p signal being received).
post #832 of 965
Anyone have any ideas as to my problem?

All input's that can deliever HD, OTA, Component and HDMI have the same issue. From any one of those inputs, the biggest the aspect ratio display is on a 720 or 1080 signal is about 1.90:1 - 1.95:1 AR or so. So the top and bottom of the picture are being cut off. If I use my DVD player in 480P mode I can see all the extra information being cropped off, but naturally I want to upscale to my TVs native resolution.

Just went into the service menu yet again and nothing I tweek reveals more vertical picture information, it just stretches the image out. And I couldn't find an a switch for any "Auto AR function".
post #833 of 965
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Originally Posted by RalphArch View Post

How so? A 34 inch wide screen merely pillar boxes 4:3 content. That;s the only logical way to display 4:3 material on a widescreen set.

I meant the KD-34XS955, which is a 4:3 set. I presume it suffers from the same problem.

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The only ones affected by the postage stamping of "HD" 4:3 material are those of us with very capably 4:3 sets that get screwed by the lack of vision by Sony.

So, we are in agreement that there's a definite problem with this set as it relates to HD material of otherwise SD shows?
post #834 of 965
Chad B. wrote me back. I think I'm more confused now than ever. In essence...well, I should just post what he wrote:

"The only time you would want it is when you are watching an HD channel that is broadcasting SD material at the moment. In that instance it would eliminate the black bars at the top and bottom. When you are watching HD content on an HD channel, you would not want it to be full screen, because HD is a widescreen format. The squeeze is good in that instance, because it preserves resolution and shows HD in it's true aspect ratio."

HD is a widescreen format. Huh, I must've really missed the boat. I thought HD was simply an increase in pixel resolution, not an aspect definition, too.

So, I take it getting this set for the primary intent of watching HD material was self-defeating? I should've gotten a 40+ widescreen plasma or LCD and put up with the pillarboxing for 4:3 content?

I still contend that a significant amount of HD programming on this set looks squashed. I'm going to have to take some pics to show y'all what I mean.
post #835 of 965
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Originally Posted by fleggett View Post

I meant the KD-34XS955, which is a 4:3 set. I presume it suffers from the same problem.....

That set is a 16:9 set.

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Originally Posted by fleggett View Post

...HD is a widescreen format. Huh, I must've really missed the boat. I thought HD was simply an increase in pixel resolution, not an aspect definition, too.......

Absolutely. HD is 16:9, by definition. Choosing to watch regular HD on a 4:3 television, requires that you tolerate bars on top and bottom.

However, a lot of programming on HD channels can be SD 4:3 programming upconverted to HD resolution with black vertical pillars added to create the full 16:9 frame. This situation will cause postage stamp viewing on a non-zoomable 4:3 HD set.
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Originally Posted by fleggett View Post

.......So, I take it getting this set for the primary intent of watching HD material was self-defeating? I should've gotten a 40+ widescreen plasma or LCD and put up with the pillarboxing for 4:3 content?.......

IMHO, yes, maybe and no. I watch 4:3 SD content in a non-linear zoom on my widescreen set all the time and it looks fine. BTW, there are many happy owners of 4:3 HD sets.
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Originally Posted by fleggett View Post

............I still contend that a significant amount of HD programming on this set looks squashed. I'm going to have to take some pics to show y'all what I mean.

This may be due to the situation I outlined above. Post pics but also explain the conditions. Channel, programming, resolution, screen mode, etc.
post #836 of 965
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Originally Posted by raouliii View Post

That set is a 16:9 set.

Arggh, you're right. I thought there was a 34" version of the KD-36XS955...? Maybe not. I thought for sure there was, though. Hrrrr.

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Absolutely. HD is 16:9, by definition. Choosing to watch regular HD on a 4:3 television, requires that you tolerate bars on top and bottom.

Point taken. I still don't understand such a limitation, though. Coming from a computer background, a 15" monitor can have a maximum resolution of 640x480 or 1600x1200. The latter will obviously offer a much sharper image, but it's still a 4:3 aspect ratio, taking advantage of the entire real-estate of the screen.

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However, a lot of programming on HD channels can be SD 4:3 programming upconverted to HD resolution with black vertical pillars added to create the full 16:9 frame. This situation will cause postage stamp viewing on a non-zoomable 4:3 HD set.

The zoom on the KD-36XS955 is, from my experience, almost worthless due to the resultant clipping.
post #837 of 965
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Originally Posted by fleggett View Post

Chad B. wrote me back. I think I'm more confused now than ever. In essence...well, I should just post what he wrote:

"The only time you would want it is when you are watching an HD channel that is broadcasting SD material at the moment. In that instance it would eliminate the black bars at the top and bottom. When you are watching HD content on an HD channel, you would not want it to be full screen, because HD is a widescreen format. The squeeze is good in that instance, because it preserves resolution and shows HD in it's true aspect ratio."

HD is a widescreen format. Huh, I must've really missed the boat. I thought HD was simply an increase in pixel resolution, not an aspect definition, too.

So, I take it getting this set for the primary intent of watching HD material was self-defeating? I should've gotten a 40+ widescreen plasma or LCD and put up with the pillarboxing for 4:3 content?

I still contend that a significant amount of HD programming on this set looks squashed. I'm going to have to take some pics to show y'all what I mean.


I still would try your cable box. I know you have a cable card but since you have not found a solution I would try the cable box. The nominal charge is allot cheaper then buying a new set. I know my Comcast box works fine on this set. My Directv receiver did not and I had the same problem you are experiencing.
post #838 of 965
I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that the SFP tube in the 36XS955 uses Rec. 709 phosphors. I'm wondering...does this set simulate SMPTE chromaticity when fed with a 480i/480p signal?

Thanks!
post #839 of 965
I believe the smaller version of the 36XS955 is the 32XS945 - a 4:3 32" set. I can't remember if it has an SFP tube or not, however...
post #840 of 965
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Originally Posted by TheGodfather View Post

I believe the smaller version of the 36XS955 is the 32XS945 - a 4:3 32" set. I can't remember if it has an SFP tube or not, however...

It doesn't.

The XS945 was basically the HS420 but with the XS series Charcoal exterior and a digital tuner.
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