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post #151 of 2894
Damn, I was really hoping that I was the only one who had this issue. I can tell you that I can see it on any source, but it's especially noticable when scenes change on a dvd/it goes black, it's also much easier to notice at night. This is unfortunately something I can't live with, and the set is being returned. I really don't want a 30 inch widescreen tv, but if the toshiba sale happens again I may be forced to go that route. I suppose worst case scenario is I get a 32 inch analog tv which has vertical compression. Would save me a few hundred dollars and since I can't get any hd in my situation, it might not be a bad solution.
post #152 of 2894
I've had my Sanyo 32" now since the 20th of last month. I seem to remember a question about Closed Captioning. Well, I'm watching the US Open OTA on WCBS-DT02.1. There is closed captioning for this event (real time!). Amazing..
I'm using Philips component cables purchased at Walmart hooked up to a Dish 6000. I also have a Dish 508 DVR hooked up using S-Video (also Philips). No HDMI source yet. Now for some sharpness observations with scan velocity turned off:
OTA analog Sharp
OTA ditgital Extremely sharp
Component
HD Programming (Dish receiver set to 1080i output) Extremely Sharp
SD Programming (Dish receiver set to 1080i output) Fuzzy compared to all the above
Composite via S-Video1 (from Dish PVR) Way better than SD above
I may try a second S-video feed from the 6000 - but I'm not sure it will support 2 simultaneous video format output. Life's a compromise.
I've already deleted all OTA channels from my Dish 6000 as the SANYO is way more sensitive to weak signals. OTA viewing is now enjoyable - no more pixelating. Of course the 6000 is a first generation STB that I've had for more than 3 years.. I guess you can't have it all.
I've yet to enter the service menu - as the set has a decent picture using the Standard menu options.
Thanks to all contributers in helping me decide on this TV.
post #153 of 2894
I don't understand why everyone turns scan velocity off, it makes the words on my TV look way sharper
post #154 of 2894
it creates artificial edges around things, that's basically it. For instance when I'm playing nfl 2k5 with scan velocity on the players are actually a little bit wider because of the artificial lines that svm create. In general you would want it turned off for everything except maybe 480i (sattelite) and 320i (analog). For video games/dvd's/hd content svm adds something to the picture that isn't needed.
post #155 of 2894
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Originally posted by jefft1314
it creates artificial edges around things, that's basically it. For instance when I'm playing nfl 2k5 with scan velocity on the players are actually a little bit wider because of the artificial lines that svm create. In general you would want it turned off for everything except maybe 480i (sattelite) and 320i (analog). For video games/dvd's/hd content svm adds something to the picture that isn't needed.

I guess it's kind of a trade off then because menus and words look phenomenal but it messes up other stuff. Then again I haven't seen any 480p or higher signal sent to my TV because my component wires for my XBOX are messed up, so maybe in 480p or higher it really doesn't make much of a difference.
post #156 of 2894
Thread Starter 
Decided to make some adjustments to the geometry of my 32" today. When i first went into the service menu a few weeks ago I was confused as to what adjustments to make to the binary code for each of the items. It turns out that it is very easy to play with. I started with horizontal centering...I needed to move the entire picture about 1/2-3/4 inches to the right. When you find the item you want to adjust, you'll see a 8-digit binary code. Use the numbers 7-0 on the remote to flip the digits (from left to right) back and forth between 1 and 0. So, the 7 key changes the left-most digit back and forth, the 0 key flips the right-most digit. What I found is that the left most digit makes the biggest adjustment with each digit following making a smaller adjustment. So the more to the right you are in the binary string, the finer the adjustment. If the first digit makes too much of an adjustment but the next digit too small of an adjustment you can combine changes...shift 1/2 inch right and then 1/8 inch left for example. It's really more intuitive when you sit down and play with it...trial and error. Anyway, the same concept works for all the geometry adjustments.

Horizontal centering: 1=left 0=right
Vert centering: 1=up 0=down
Pinamp: 1=expand middle 0=squeez middle
Pinphase: 1=expand bottom 0=squeez top
UCP2: 1=expand top 0=squeez top
UCP2: 1=expand bottom 0=squeez bottom

Check page 17 in the service manual for pictures of each adjustment.
post #157 of 2894
I agree the service menu isn't that difficult to work with, i messed around with mine today (knowing full well i'm going to return it) and I didn't at all manage to mess up anything. I think I actually made the geometry better prety significantly, it's still not perfect, but it's definitely no worse than any other tv i've seen now. Too bad I get all this colorful snow on the screen, otherwise it would defintiely be a keeper.
post #158 of 2894
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Originally posted by jefft1314
I agree the service menu isn't that difficult to work with, i messed around with mine today (knowing full well i'm going to return it) and I didn't at all manage to mess up anything. I think I actually made the geometry better prety significantly, it's still not perfect, but it's definitely no worse than any other tv i've seen now. Too bad I get all this colorful snow on the screen, otherwise it would defintiely be a keeper.

I can only see this colorful snow on DVD via component in between scenes when it's very dark. I first noticed it when using Avia to detect noise. Has anyone else noticed this snow issue on any inputs? Hopefully this is a rare issue.
post #159 of 2894
As nobody else has reported it it's probably a rarity on the sets or has something to do with our setups. Though when I unplugged everything in my room and just had my tv and dvd player plugged in and on I still got the same problem. I was thinking it could be a dirty power issue? But this is pretty serious "noise" to the point where I don't think it qualifies as "noise" anymore, i.e. it's something i've never seen or heard of on any other tv's.
post #160 of 2894
Jeff - I'm still questioning whether it's an issue w/ my DVD player or the component inputs on the Sanyo. I'm running a JVC XV-FA95BK. You? Can't be my cables - I've tried multiple high quality sets with no improvement. I don't believe it's a power issue because I turned out all the lights last night and couldn't see the noise on analog or digital TV. Though admittedly, it's hard to find extended dark scenes on cable but I tried using screen freeze on dark scenes and saw no noise. I haven't tried S-video or HDMI. If you exchange your set let me know if you find the issue resolved. If so, I'll do the same - On DVD the noise is definitely annoying.
post #161 of 2894
I have noticed this colored snow on my set as well. At first I thought it was the DVD player, but after 3 different players, I'm convinced that this probably has nothing to do with it. On two of the players, the snow is visible regardless of whether it is set to interlaced or progressive. The third player (non-progressive) looks fine...which throws another piece into the puzzle.

I will also say that while visible, the noise is not particularly annoying and it's not too pronounced on my set (this could also be due to the fact that I sit 10 feet away).
post #162 of 2894
Thread Starter 
Question about all these "snow" reports. Are you all using component connections? Has anyone tried switching to S-video or DVI, or turning off progressive mode on your DVD player to see if the snow goes away? It might be worth a little trouble shooting to see if we can't narrow it down. Seems the Xbox problems are always related to component connections too. I have my cable box connected via component with no problems, but I haven't actually looked for snow.
post #163 of 2894
Yes, this is using component cables. I intially thought it could be my cables, but I just read the post where someone had tried several sets.

I have tried with both progressive scan on and off and I get the same result on those two players. As mentioned, the third (Magnavox MDV421) does not show the snow...and it is also connected via component.

I have not tried DVI, but S-Video looks like it may solve the snow problem...unfortunately I'm not happy with the picture quality after using component for so long now.

Would love to hear other's findings...
post #164 of 2894
It's extremely noticable on dark scenes with my dvd player (btw is a pioneer 563a with really cheap component video cables) but it's also quite visable on my sattelite which is run through s-video. I sit about 5-6 feet away from the set and the snow is very distracting. I'm actually having second thoughts about having an hd set anyway, as I hardly ever watch tv. If only video games and movies didn't look so damn good on hdtv sets.
post #165 of 2894
I can confirm the snow doesn't occur on digital TV OTA. I can only see it on DVD over component and have no cables to check other inputs. I can confirm that it's there in both 480i and 480p. Mine isn't terrible, but it is noticeable when scenes fade to black.

Tip: The screen freeze button is a great way to see this issue.
post #166 of 2894
Thread Starter 
So this would suggest that it is either a source problem (probably not since several folks report it with various DVD players) or a connection problem (component connections seem to be the culprit). Does anyone notice this problem with component connections coming from a cable box like the Moto 6200?

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Originally posted by housecor
I can confirm the snow doesn't occur on digital TV OTA. I can only see it on DVD over component and have no cables to check other inputs. I can confirm that it's there in both 480i and 480p. Mine isn't terrible, but it is noticeable when scenes fade to black.

Tip: The screen freeze button is a great way to see this issue.
post #167 of 2894
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Originally posted by TH3_FRB
So this would suggest that it is either a source problem (probably not since several folks report it with various DVD players) or a connection problem (component connections seem to be the culprit). Does anyone notice this problem with component connections coming from a cable box like the Moto 6200?

I just got my HD cable box yesterday and it's hooked up via component and I have no problems at all. No snowlike effects or anything like that. BTW, the HD stuff looks WAY better than I thought it would. The cable box I got is a Motorola so it's probably the one your talking about. Oh, and BTW, I have the 32".
post #168 of 2894
It could also be that the snow issue only occurs on 480i and 480p which would point to some internal set issue. I've yet to hear anyone report this snow on anything but these resolutions. It could be that analog cable has enough noise to mask the snow, but 480i or 480p from DVD is clear enough to display the snow problem. Does anyone have an upconverting DVD to see if the issue occurs on 1080i or 720p via component or other inputs?
post #169 of 2894
Thread Starter 
Yep, my cable is fine over component from a Moto STB. They just activated the DVI port a week or so ago and I haven't had a chance try it out yet.

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Originally posted by Slickman
I just got my HD cable box yesterday and it's hooked up via component and I have no problems at all. No snowlike effects or anything like that. BTW, the HD stuff looks WAY better than I thought it would. The cable box I got is a Motorola so it's probably the one your talking about. Oh, and BTW, I have the 32".
post #170 of 2894
Thread Starter 
I know my locat OTA DTV broadcasts are 480i/p sometimes. Those folks with the snow should search out a 480i/p OTA broadcast and give it a close look...might narrow the problem down to 480i/p over component. That actually brings up a point...isn't DVD over S-video 480i, and didn't someone say that the snow is gone over S-video?

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Originally posted by housecor
It could also be that the snow issue only occurs on 480i and 480p which would point to some internal set issue. I've yet to hear anyone report this snow on anything but these resolutions. It could be that analog cable has enough noise to mask the snow, but 480i or 480p from DVD is clear enough to display the snow problem. Does anyone have an upconverting DVD to see if the issue occurs on 1080i or 720p via component or other inputs?
post #171 of 2894
I do not see any snow over s-video, however switching my DVD player between interlaced to progressive over component yields snowy results regardless of setting. My OTA broadcasts look fine.
post #172 of 2894
I have snow over s-video, though I appear to be the only one. At any rate, I won't be able to live with this set if I get this colorful snow on any input.
post #173 of 2894
I did a Dogpile search and found your forums. I happened to be killing some time in a Walmart and saw the Sanyo. I'm getting a small check shortly, and was going to sink the money into a TV (I'm watching a 13" TV/DVD combo now--I'm away from home for a while and left the 25" TV with the wife and kids). Had about $700 (not including Tax) budgeted for a nice TV--so the $750 is close enough.

I had my mind set on the 30" Widescreen Philips at Costco ($700), but saw the Sanyo on display at WallyWorld.

Now, I tried to piece some answers together from the long threads here, but missed a few (sorry if they were buried in this 9 page thread or the 64 page original thread and I missed them).

So, a few questions, if you don't mind:

#1--I gather that I can take my ComCast cable box back to Comcast and use this TV as a self-contained unit. However, can I utilize the same menus and "On-Demand" movies that I get with the Digital cable now?

#2--How big is the box? (not the TV but the box itself, I just want to be sure the TV will fit into the back of my 2dr. Explorer.)

#3--For you Wal Mart employees--How can I call to the store and check availability? SKU? I have at least 3 Walmarts within driving distance, but they are about 20 minutes from my house in opposite directions. Hate to drive to all 3 to find one in stock.

#4--I had considered the Widescreen version, but (please correct me if I am wrong), without getting too technical, the 32" will put up approximately a 29.5" Widescreen image (most of my DVDs are Widescreen), but the 30" Widescreen will only put up an approximately 25" Standard (4:3) image unless you stretch the image (cause some distortion)?

#5--Being significantly bigger than the 13" TV (and heavier), I'd need a new Stand or Cabinet/Entertainment Center. I had considered getting a 27" TV (as they are easier to fit into nice looking entertainment centers), but I realize I don't care so much about the furniture if I can get a bigger TV image. So--can anyone recommend an inexpensive, SOLID, reasonably nice looking Entertainment Ctr. or Stand that will hold these TVs and about 6 components (VCR, Receiver, Tape Deck, DVD--a rather tall Kenwood changer, Turntable, and maybe Cable Box--depending on the answer to #1 above). I didn't want to spend $$$ on a TV, then add $$ just to get it off the ground in my apartment. I'm near Pittsburgh, so I have some access to major retail stores (and an IKEA).

#6--And, finally, the original thread is over several months old--I haven't even begun to search other, newer threads to see if there are any better deals out there.

Thanks for your patience with a newcomer!!

AFARR
post #174 of 2894
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Originally posted by AFARR
I did a Dogpile search and found your forums. I happened to be killing some time in a Walmart and saw the Sanyo. I'm getting a small check shortly, and was going to sink the money into a TV (I'm watching a 13" TV/DVD combo now--I'm away from home for a while and left the 25" TV with the wife and kids). Had about $700 (not including Tax) budgeted for a nice TV--so the $750 is close enough.

I had my mind set on the 30" Widescreen Philips at Costco ($700), but saw the Sanyo on display at WallyWorld.

Now, I tried to piece some answers together from the long threads here, but missed a few (sorry if they were buried in this 9 page thread or the 64 page original thread and I missed them).

So, a few questions, if you don't mind:

#1--I gather that I can take my ComCast cable box back to Comcast and use this TV as a self-contained unit. However, can I utilize the same menus and "On-Demand" movies that I get with the Digital cable now?

#2--How big is the box? (not the TV but the box itself, I just want to be sure the TV will fit into the back of my 2dr. Explorer.)

#3--For you Wal Mart employees--How can I call to the store and check availability? SKU? I have at least 3 Walmarts within driving distance, but they are about 20 minutes from my house in opposite directions. Hate to drive to all 3 to find one in stock.

#4--I had considered the Widescreen version, but (please correct me if I am wrong), without getting too technical, the 32" will put up approximately a 29.5" Widescreen image (most of my DVDs are Widescreen), but the 30" Widescreen will only put up an approximately 25" Standard (4:3) image unless you stretch the image (cause some distortion)?

#5--Being significantly bigger than the 13" TV (and heavier), I'd need a new Stand or Cabinet/Entertainment Center. I had considered getting a 27" TV (as they are easier to fit into nice looking entertainment centers), but I realize I don't care so much about the furniture if I can get a bigger TV image. So--can anyone recommend an inexpensive, SOLID, reasonably nice looking Entertainment Ctr. or Stand that will hold these TVs and about 6 components (VCR, Receiver, Tape Deck, DVD--a rather tall Kenwood changer, Turntable, and maybe Cable Box--depending on the answer to #1 above). I didn't want to spend $$$ on a TV, then add $$ just to get it off the ground in my apartment. I'm near Pittsburgh, so I have some access to major retail stores (and an IKEA).

#6--And, finally, the original thread is over several months old--I haven't even begun to search other, newer threads to see if there are any better deals out there.

Thanks for your patience with a newcomer!!

AFARR

#1 If the digital cable channels are broadcast in clear QAM, then this tv will be able to tune them. You wont have all the fancy features of your cable box.

#2 I can't give specifics, but its about 2 feet deep, 3.5-4ft wide, and about 3 foot tall. Thats for the 30". The 32" will be taller, but its been a while since i've handled on, so I dont remember the size

#3 I'd just say call and ask about it before you drive there. I don't work for a few days, so I don't have the exact upc that you need.

#4 your correct

#5 I don't know furniture that well to comment, but i'm sure you can find something that will work.

#6 I'm not aware of any at the time. Usually the manufacturers put out the new models in the summer, so I think for the time being, this is still considered a good deal.

Hope you end up with something you like.
Ryan
post #175 of 2894
Quote:


Originally posted by AFARR

#2--How big is the box? (not the TV but the box itself, I just want to be sure the TV will fit into the back of my 2dr. Explorer.)

#3--For you Wal Mart employees--How can I call to the store and check availability?

#6--And, finally, the original thread is over several months old--I haven't even begun to search other, newer threads to see if there are any better deals out there.

AFARR

2) The 32" HT32744 box is 31.5 H x 39" L x 27.25" D. I picked 32" because of your #4 ?

3) There isn't a SKU on the box or my receipt, just the UPC #. I phoned local WalMarts asking if they had a Sanyo HT32744 and they were all able to say yes/no.

6) Better deals is hard to say. If you aren't going to use OTA and can just keep the Comcast box, you don't need the built in digital tuner and that opens lots of possibilities. See "Sweet deal on Toshiba 30HF84" - but it is a 30" WS, not a 4:3 set (and no 32HF84 announced). I recently looked at a Samsung TXP3275 because it would have better speakers and an integrated Program Guide of the digital channels. I came away appreciating the Sanyo more. I still get a lot of 4:3 content that is broadcast 720p or 1080i and on the Sanyo, I can zoom the picture to fill the screen instead of bars on all 4 sides. Couldn't do that on the Samsung 3271 or 3275. If it had, I might have been willing to pay an extra $150 for the Samsung. All depends on your real "needs" - not many with ATSC tuners in them and none at this price. If you can spend twice as much, you can get something much nicer with a Sony.
post #176 of 2894
Get out your receipts, at my local Walmart the price just dropped $50 on both the 32" and the 30" to $697! Hasn't changed on walmart.com yet so i'm not sure if it's company wide or not but won't hurt you guys to check.
post #177 of 2894
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Originally posted by T-Smooth
Get out your receipts, at my local Walmart the price just dropped $50 on both the 32" and the 30" to $697! Hasn't changed on walmart.com yet so i'm not sure if it's company wide or not but won't hurt you guys to check.

I have my receipt and I just got mine last week, is there any way I can get the $50 back
post #178 of 2894
Does Wal-Mart offer something similar to BB or CC's price protection? It'd be nice to just show the receipt and get the difference.
post #179 of 2894
Wow! I thought that would be a Xmas Price so maybe the before or just after Xmas Price will be even Lower & I'm looking to buy around the 1st of the year
post #180 of 2894
Hi everyone, this is my first post. I just picked up a philips 32pt8320 (32" 4:3) for $699 and I love the picture, but it only has 1 hd input which is really a bummer and it doesnt have a built in tuner. I think Im going to take it back and get the sanyo, but I have 2 questions if anyone can help me:

1. Has anyone had experience with a Philips tv similar to mine to tell me if the PQ is as good or better with the Sanyo?

2. Can someone tell me the width of the whole set? Sanyo's site says 35" but I gotta be sure because I have exactly 36" in my entertainment center.

TIA
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