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post #8701 of 8826
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

Even better as a teen we were always allowed to hang around the station, be on-air with the teen dance show with Dave Davies and sponsored by Noldes bread. It was very interesting to watch Jim Granger do the weather.

The WRVA-TV people were very down to earth and always were friendly to us

Was that hanging around the pool?
post #8702 of 8826
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

At the risk of being off topic, the mention of old shows reminded me that one of the best histories of a television market available on the web is hosted by WWBT, with the "Roots to Satellite" book online here:

http://www.nbc12.com/story/8129383/history-of-nbc12

I'm old enough to remember what was WRVA-TV when it signed on in 1956. Even if you're not, the story and mishaps of what's now WWBT is very interesting reading.

Even better as a teen we were always allowed to hang around the station. The written account was very accurate. It was great to be on-air with the teen dance show with Dave Davies and sponsored by Noldes bread dancing around the pool. It was very interesting to watch Jim Granger do the weather. Nothing but him and a chalk board. When Spencer Christan was there we would go visit with him. Nothing like the hi-tech operation now.

The WRVA-TV people were very down to earth and always were friendly to us
post #8703 of 8826
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Originally Posted by mpark View Post

Was that hanging around the pool?

I hit the send key by mistake before I finished. Yes we hung around in the station watching and dancing around "and in" the pool sometimes. It was a great time for us. I'm 68 now so that was a long time ago but good memories.
post #8704 of 8826
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

The WRVA-TV people were very down to earth and always were friendly to us.

Most of my family is from Virginia (Richmond and Tidewater) so I spent a lot of time there during summer vacation with our relatives. As a kid, my mom and dad would shop at the downtown department stores, but allow me free reign to walk all over the city as long as I got back to Miller & Rhoads by 5 o'clock.

During one of those adventures (still possible for a kid in the early 60's), I ventured down Broad Street and dropped in at WTVR (AM/FM and TV, then owned by Roy Park). Although I had no appointment and was just a kid, they treated me like royalty. I was shown around the whole facility and given a big bundle of pamphlets about the station when I left. That was what largely triggered my interest in broadcasting and, to this day, I am grateful to the kind people at WTVR for being so generous with their time, patiently answering all of my unending "what's this...what's that" questions.

My other memory from that era is how hard WRVA-TV was to receive back then. That's why I'm unfamiliar with Sailor Bob and much of what was on channel 12. To us, at the time, "number six" (as my grandparents called it) was television. And WXEX was dismissed as "that Petersburg station".
post #8705 of 8826
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

Most of my family is from Virginia (Richmond and Tidewater) so I spent a lot of time there during summer vacation with our relatives. As a kid, my mom and dad would shop at the downtown department stores, but allow me free reign to walk all over the city as long as I got back to Miller & Rhoads by 5 o'clock.

During one of those adventures (still possible for a kid in the early 60's), I ventured down Broad Street and dropped in at WTVR (AM/FM and TV, then owned by Roy Park). Although I had no appointment and was just a kid, they treated me like royalty. I was shown around the whole facility and given a big bundle of pamphlets about the station when I left. That was what largely triggered my interest in broadcasting and, to this day, I am grateful to the kind people at WTVR for being so generous with their time, patiently answering all of my unending "what's this...what's that" questions.

My other memory from that era is how hard WRVA-TV was to receive back then. That's why I'm unfamiliar with Sailor Bob and much of what was on channel 12. To us, at the time, "number six" (as my grandparents called it) was television. And WXEX was dismissed as "that Petersburg station".

WRVA-TV was a problem to receive for some reason for certain areas. I lived in Chesterfield so it was never a problem for us. In the very early days WTVR 6 was the only station. They aired NBC, CBS and ABC. WXEX I don't think was ever a "Petersburg" station. They had to license it as that. They had dual studios in Richmond and Petersburg and their transmitter and tower was on Bermuda Hundred Road near Allied Chemical's Fibers plant closer to Hopewell than Petersburg.
post #8706 of 8826
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

WRVA-TV was a problem to receive for some reason for certain areas. I lived in Chesterfield so it was never a problem for us. In the very early days WTVR 6 was the only station. They aired NBC, CBS and ABC. WXEX I don't think was ever a "Petersburg" station. They had to license it as that. They had dual studios in Richmond and Petersburg and their transmitter and tower was on Bermuda Hundred Road near Allied Chemical's Fibers plant closer to Hopewell than Petersburg.

I hope we're not boring the young 'uns here with our trip down memory lane. At the time, WRVA-TV and WXEX came on, most of my relatives were up around White Stone and Kilmarnock.

They had been ingrained for so long that television was defined to them as WTVR. Likewise, radio to them was WRVA and little else. Yet their affinity for the 1140 radio side never translated over to channel 12 when it came on in 1956.

In hindsight, I think the perception of WXEX as being "that Petersburg station" perhaps came from seeing the city of license on the ID slide, then shown every hour and half hour. Plus, as I mentioned, the reception challenges were such back then that neither WRVA-TV nor WXEX had the coverage into that part of the Northern Neck as did channel 6, with a nice low-band signal from the heart of Richmond.

To bring this back to something in this century, WRVA-TV fought signal problems when it arrived in the mid-50's (as cited in the historical piece mentioned a few posts back). Similar problems emerged 53 years later back on June 12, 2009 when, as the only post-transition VHF and then saddled with only 6 kW, channel 12 faced problems with those not equipped to receive it. The power increase certainly helped and, unlike the world I recall my younger days, OTA viewing is today but a tiny fragment of the total audience.
post #8707 of 8826
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

I hope we're not boring the young 'uns here with our trip down memory lane. At the time, WRVA-TV and WXEX came on, most of my relatives were up around White Stone and Kilmarnock.

They had been ingrained for so long that television was defined to them as WTVR. Likewise, radio to them was WRVA and little else. Yet their affinity for the 1140 radio side never translated over to channel 12 when it came on in 1956.

In hindsight, I think the perception of WXEX as being "that Petersburg station" perhaps came from seeing the city of license on the ID slide, then shown every hour and half hour. Plus, as I mentioned, the reception challenges were such back then that neither WRVA-TV nor WXEX had the coverage into that part of the Northern Neck as did channel 6, with a nice low-band signal from the heart of Richmond.

To bring this back to something in this century, WRVA-TV fought signal problems when it arrived in the mid-50's (as cited in the historical piece mentioned a few posts back). Similar problems emerged 53 years later back on June 12, 2009 when, as the only post-transition VHF and then saddled with only 6 kW, channel 12 faced problems with those not equipped to receive it. The power increase certainly helped and, unlike the world I recall my younger days, OTA viewing is today but a tiny fragment of the total audience.

Until Channel 6 built their freestanding tower on Broad Street their very short tower was on Staples Mill Road just off Broad about where the Anthem building is now. It was not that easy to pick up then. That's why the new tower was built.

I think the worse thing that ever happened was the tv station ownership going out of the state. It has never been the same and IMO is getting worse.
post #8708 of 8826
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Originally Posted by mpark View Post

WWBT will shut down First Warning Weather currently airing on 12-2 on Feb 6th at Noon. MeTV will begin airing in it's place at Noon If you would like to learn more about MeTV visit their website: http://metvnetwork.com/

Lots of good old shows that are hard to find even on cable anymore.

Wow, it is great that one of the employees of the local station is posting on this forum! Can I ask you what changes you might make to your encoder settings when you make the change? Any chance you could boost the 12.1 HD bitrate & enable inverse telecine?

As a recent transplant from Raleigh, NC, I've been disappointed by the picture quality of the HD broadcast in the Richmond market on the NBC and CBS stations. I use over-the-air only, and use a media center PC for my DVR. This allows me to objectively compare the quality in the two markets, since I can see the file sizes, and I can run analysis tools on them.

Recordings of NBC-17 HD in Raleigh were roughly 7GB/hr, and were effectively even higher bitrate, since NBC-17 used their encoder's inverse telecine settings to take advantage of mpeg repeat flags when encoding material that was originally 24p into the broadcast standard 1080i/30 (most prime-time comedy/drama type shows). So the effective bitrate for NBC-17 was roughly 19Mb/s (15.5 Mb/s broadcast, multiplied by the repeat flags converting 24/30 fps)

Recordings of WWBTDT are roughly 5GB/hr. Since they don't use inverse telecine, the effective bitrate is about 11Mb/s. This leads to much duller images, and more pixelization than I'm used to.


Drew
post #8709 of 8826
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Originally Posted by mpark View Post

WWBT will shut down First Warning Weather currently airing on 12-2 on Feb 6th at Noon. MeTV will begin airing in it's place at Noon If you would like to learn more about MeTV visit their website: http://metvnetwork.com/

Lots of good old shows that are hard to find even on cable anymore.

Mr. Park,

I see that MeTV will be on 12.2 and Comcast. Any chance it will be ported to Dish Network?


Chip
post #8710 of 8826
Why is the picture for the McLaughlin Group window boxed on 23-1?
post #8711 of 8826
It's fed off the satellite in letterboxed SD on the SD01 PBS feed, and so I assume WCVE is recording that SD feed and playing it as-is.

- Trip
post #8712 of 8826
Did anybody notice the "Satellite signal lost" messages & general pixelization during the first half of the Virginia Tech @ Duke game last weekend on WTVR? I don't have a satellite, so I was a bit surprised to see messages like that

Was it WTVR having problems with the Raycom downlink, or was it Raycom's uplink?

Drew
post #8713 of 8826
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Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

Did anybody notice the "Satellite signal lost" messages & general pixelization during the first half of the Virginia Tech @ Duke game last weekend on WTVR? I don't have a satellite, so I was a bit surprised to see messages like that

Was it WTVR having problems with the Raycom downlink, or was it Raycom's uplink?

Drew

Sunspots...
post #8714 of 8826
When Me-TV first went on the air, amazingly in Chesterfield my signal on a cheap indoor antenna was in the 80's. Before the launch I was not able to ever get a signal since the digital transition. Starting last week all of a sudden, I cannot pick up 12.1 or 12.2 OTA. Was there a change in the signal strength?
post #8715 of 8826
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Originally Posted by Vinny* View Post

When Me-TV first went on the air, amazingly in Chesterfield my signal on a cheap indoor antenna was in the 80's. Before the launch I was not able to ever get a signal since the digital transition. Starting last week all of a sudden, I cannot pick up 12.1 or 12.2 OTA. Was there a change in the signal strength?

Leaves on the trees coming out could be causing the difference. We've seen wildly different reception patterns between winter and summer. You may have to go with an outdoor antenna. Sorry.
post #8716 of 8826
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Originally Posted by mpark View Post

Leaves on the trees coming out could be causing the difference. We've seen wildly different reception patterns between winter and summer. You may have to go with an outdoor antenna. Sorry.

Figured that but was hoping I was wrong.

Thanks for the reply
post #8717 of 8826
Tried accessing my recorded list on my Comcast DVR. When I hit the List button...says it's not available.

Did Comcast change something?

I have no clue how to get to recorded items other than that one button

Help!
post #8718 of 8826
I live in the Enon area and the DVR services are not accessable as well. Comcast is reporting the outage but no time for restoration of services for DVRs.
post #8719 of 8826
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Originally Posted by dcheney View Post

I live in the Enon area and the DVR services are not accessable as well. Comcast is reporting the outage but no time for restoration of services for DVRs.

That is just bizarre to me. The DVR's have physical harddrives where everything is stored. How can a massive outage affect how you access your harddrive. Odd.

Thanks for the info.
post #8720 of 8826
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Originally Posted by Beefer View Post

That is just bizarre to me. The DVR's have physical harddrives where everything is stored. How can a massive outage affect how you access your harddrive.

I'm pretty sure it "phones home" regularly to make sure that everything is still authorized, that you've not carried your DVR to another house w/o cable service, etc. I've seen the same issue on other digital cable systems (TWC in Raleigh, NC) -- when the cable is out, you loose the use of your cable-company issued DVR to even watch already recorded shows.

I have an HTPC/extender based SageTV system, and was probably the only person on my street with a working DVR when our cable was out for a week last year after the hurricane.

Drew
post #8721 of 8826
For anyone living downtown, I just noticed a brand new FiOS distribution box in the alley behind 316 W Grace St. The box is mounted on the pole, with lots of fiber rolled up hanging above. I think downtown and Highland Park are the last areas of the city to be set up, and the city's franchise agreement requires the entire city to be completed by 2015. Verizon is required to provide FiOS service to all the homes, but service to businesses is optional under the agreement.
This service downtown will open up lots of opportunities for apartment buildings to offer FiOS and use it to attract new residents. No FiOS would currently be the only drawback of living downtown for a video snob like me.
post #8722 of 8826
Speaking of Fios, what are the odds that it will expand into Hanover county? I'd heard that they were not expanding into any "new" counties, but we've been getting Fios flyers every few weeks. When I called Verizon, the rep said they don't have us in their database as eligible, but the flyers generally mean that Fios is coming soon. It is like they are taunting me.

FWIW, I haven't seen any fiber being laid, but I've only lived here 8 months, so I have no idea what is already in the ground.

Drew
post #8723 of 8826
I don't think Verizon has a video franchise agreement in Hanover. If that's the case, I don't believe they would get one there until after other obligations are built out over the next few years.
post #8724 of 8826
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Originally Posted by bob2274 View Post

I don't think Verizon has a video franchise agreement in Hanover. If that's the case, I don't believe they would get one there until after other obligations are built out over the next few years.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. They're just taunting me. You'd think they wouldn't want to waste money sending repeated mailers to people who cannot receive the service. Sigh.

Drew
post #8725 of 8826
57 WCVW - HD is now live on Directv
post #8726 of 8826
Had a bit of a laugh today when I realized today's date is 06-08-12.

On an unrelated note, has WRIC added Live Well yet?

- Trip
post #8727 of 8826
Is Fox 35 currently broadcasting at full strength?

I have not watched much TV in the last month, and Fox has started breaking up for me at some unknown point. The last thing I watched on Fox (American Idol finale, ~4 weeks ago) was fine, but 2 recent attempts to watch Fox have resulted in lots of breakups. Other stations seem fine.

It is probably something about my setup. Trees, etc. Just wondering if there is a widespread problem before I climb up in the attic to try adjusting the antenna.

Thanks,
Drew
post #8728 of 8826
I guess you may be just out of range for WTTG FOX-5 as an alternative?
post #8729 of 8826
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I guess you may be just out of range for WTTG FOX-5 as an alternative?

Yes, I'm too far south to pick anything up from DC

Drew
post #8730 of 8826
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Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

Is Fox 35 currently broadcasting at full strength?
I have not watched much TV in the last month, and Fox has started breaking up for me at some unknown point. The last thing I watched on Fox (American Idol finale, ~4 weeks ago) was fine, but 2 recent attempts to watch Fox have resulted in lots of breakups. Other stations seem fine.
It is probably something about my setup. Trees, etc. Just wondering if there is a widespread problem before I climb up in the attic to try adjusting the antenna.
Thanks,
Drew

The same thing was happening on Directv also
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