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post #151 of 658
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Originally posted by NABHDTVNOW
I've had my 51S715 for about 10 days now. Initially it worked great but in the past two days it has developed a problem with the power switch. When I hit the power switch either on the remote or on the unit, the internal breaker immediately trips and it won't respond further from the power button. The only recourse is to unplug it from the wall and plug it back in at which point it powers up. The power switch still works to turn it off. Anyone else have this problem or any advice about what to tell Tech Support at Hitachi?

I haven't experienced that, but my set does sometimes make a loud "pop" when I turn it off after watching a few hours.

Can anyone reassure me that this is normal?
post #152 of 658
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Originally posted by poethius
As I understand it, the S715's convert everything to 1080p and then give you your choice of displaying the picture at 540p or 1080i. How does this work? Isn't there a negative impact on PQ through the multiple conversions? E.g., 1080i input gets deinterlaced, which can introduce artifacts, and then gets reinterlaced for display at 1080i. Isn't that worse than just displaying 1080i without any conversions? Even for 480i inputs, there may be some unnecessary introduction of deinterlacing artifacts.

Furthermore, how can the PQ be optimized simultaneously for 540p and 1080i? In both cases, 540 lines are written to the screen every 1/60 second, but, in 1080i, alternate fields are displaced by 1/2 a linewidth. Wouldn't you want a smaller spot size for 1080i, to render the higher vertical resolution, and a larger spot size for 540p, to reduce the space between the lines? Or is that not how it works?

And how does this compare with the Mits CRT RPTV's? They used to provide a similar choice, but between 480p and 1080i. (Apparently the new models no longer support 480p.)

I guess what I'm really asking is whether the choice is meaningful. If you have a progressive input (either 480p or 720p), will the picture look better at 540p? If you have an interlaced input (either 480i or 1080i), would the picture look better at 1080i? Or is the difference really subtle?

Here goes...

When 1080i (or 540p) is input into the Hitachi, it is displayed natively. No VirtualHD 1080p processing is applied. When any non-native rate is input, it is first converted to 1080p then back to 1080i for display. Any conversion causes artifacts, but the Hitachi does an admirable controlling the visibility of artifacts.

1080i is really just interleaved 540p fields (60 fields per sec), so there is not much difference in the processing VirtualHD must do to go to 1080i or 540p (60 frames per sec). In film mode, 3-2 pulldown detection recreates original progressive frames of the film. This is best displayed progressively (540p on the Hitachi). For 1080i display, 3-2 pulldown must be reapplied for interlacing.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...e-10-2000.html

I find that the DVD picture is more stable at 540p than 1080i (only noticeable on critical scenes...mini-blinds are great for testing!). Converting 720p to 1080i is noticeably better than 540p (as expected). However, I find that most STBs do a better job than the Hitachi converting to 1080i (I have done testing while viewing SNF on ESPNHD). XBox still looks great at 720p converted to 1080i on the Hitachi.

How does this compare to Mits? Well, the Mits [and Panny and Sony] sets that display 480p natively do a better job with DVD since there is no conversion taking place. It is easy for me to see the difference (I own both) but many people don't see a difference, the Hitachi scaler is pretty good (and using a scaling DVD player like the Zenith/LG or Denon can be even better).
post #153 of 658
Marc, you da man!!!! Thanks!! (Hope to buy 65s700 next week)
post #154 of 658
Thanks so much, Marc! You're a great resource.

One remaining question: the spot size. I.e., are the scanlines more visible at 540p than at 1080i, at close distance? Do you adjust the focus differently for the two modes? Maybe I don't understand how 540p works: I'm assuming that the scanlines of successive frames are written on top of each other, whereas the scanlines of successive 1080i fields are vertically displaced so that they fill in the gaps.
post #155 of 658
Scanlines are more visible at 540p (so 65" owners may want to use 1080i for DVD if they see scanlines). I only adjust focus at 540p (you don't need to focus for each resolution). You seem to be on track on 540p vs. 1080i.
post #156 of 658
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Originally posted by Marc Alexander
Scanlines are more visible at 540p (so 65" owners may want to use 1080i for DVD if they see scanlines). I only adjust focus at 540p (you don't need to focus for each resolution). You seem to be on track on 540p vs. 1080i.

I am now, thanks (again) to you!
post #157 of 658
How do you know what 720p gets converted to?

I have a cable card and ABC and ESPNHD both come in at 720p and when I click info it says 720p and the virtual HD menu option is greyed out.
post #158 of 658
1080i
post #159 of 658
also is the integrated guide usefull for anything?

and

With the antenna setup with the cable card it's locked in, channel A only to cable, but There is an option below for cable1 or cable 2, What are these options for, I looked in the manual but couldn't find any info.
post #160 of 658
Thread Starter 
It doesn't seem to show much, if any, information with my local channels.

I don't know about the CableCARD.
post #161 of 658
How sensitive is this TV to the magnetic field emanating from a powered subwoofer? I have a fairly old Sony XBR CRT rear projection TV that is affected by it unless it's moved about 20 inches away. I really don't want to relocate the subwoofer anywhere else in the room, but I've really considered going to an LCD, DLP, or LCOS TV just to avoid placement worries. Anybody with experience using an unshielded powered subwoofer with this set?
post #162 of 658
a favor for me also? Can someone with the 57 inch version tell me how high is the bottom of the viewing area to the bottom of the TV? I'm planning on putting a center channel speaker stand in front and have either a HTM7 or HTM1 (B&W) on stand and don't want the speaker to block any of the picture at all. Both speakers are 12-13 inches high and the stand I'm considering is 13 inches high also. So the bottom of the screen has to be at least 26 inches off the ground. Can someone with the 57inch confirm this for me? BTW...What's the MSRP on this thing?
post #163 of 658
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Originally posted by BlazeMaster
a favor for me also? Can someone with the 57 inch version tell me how high is the bottom of the viewing area to the bottom of the TV? I'm planning on putting a center channel speaker stand in front and have either a HTM7 or HTM1 (B&W) on stand and don't want the speaker to block any of the picture at all. Both speakers are 12-13 inches high and the stand I'm considering is 13 inches high also. So the bottom of the screen has to be at least 26 inches off the ground. Can someone with the 57inch confirm this for me? BTW...What's the MSRP on this thing?

No joy...I just took the most generous possible measurement, right to the edge of the actual display area, and got just under 25".

Oh, and msrp is 2399 I think, maybe 2499. But I paid significantly less and many others are getting reasonable deals off list it seems.
post #164 of 658
I got my 51s715 for 1650, there is suppose to be a self (slf-10) coming out for center channels I don't know how it will work though.
post #165 of 658
I think I'm probably answering other peoples by asking this but here comes my question anyway.

quick primer first though:
ATSC tuners tune OTA HD,
QAM tuners decode cable HD
the S715 tuners can obviously do both.

So...
With a cable card in, it seems to lock the input in QAM mode.
I was thinking of installing a switch inline with the cable so I could flip to OTA HD to get CBS and FOX since they are not on my cable in HD FOX actually is just broadcasting digitally, but is not HD, once they are HD they'll be on my cable package, but I digress.

Anyway does anyone know any easyway to flip from a cable card QAM to OTA ATSC to get the one or two channels I need to pull down from the ole bunny ears?
post #166 of 658
oh and another question I have would be, I was reading alot of threads about going in and doing a service menu level convergence calibration, but these threads all deal with older sets.

With th 117point convergence grid is there any reason why you'd need to do something at a service menu level for the convergence?
post #167 of 658
why can't you attach your antena to input B (antena B) for OTA stuff. Then you just need a splitter to split the cable signal from the coax. Your Tv has a built in switch.
post #168 of 658
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by sotti
With th 117point convergence grid is there any reason why you'd need to do something at a service menu level for the convergence?

Probably not unless you have geometry problems.
post #169 of 658
Quote:
Originally posted by quackery
why can't you attach your antena to input B (antena B) for OTA stuff. Then you just need a splitter to split the cable signal from the coax. Your Tv has a built in switch.

The cable card turns antena B off all together.

If I run without the cable card then I get really wacky channel numbers and no digital cable, just HD Channels.
post #170 of 658
nice stuff
post #171 of 658
I'm in the same boat as another person in this discussion. I currently have the 51F510, but can pick-up the 51S715 for only $250 more out the door. Both are incredible deals, there's no ? about that. The problem is, I can't decide if the S715 is worth the add'l coin since I can't see the TV's next to each other. The other twist in the debate is that there is no 30-day "no ?'s asked" return policy on the S715 (ABC Warehouse in Michigan).

I'm delighted to read all of the positive remarks about this set, so I'm thinking of just going back to the sales guy and telling him that I will buy the S715 from him, but only if he gives me a written 30-day "no ?'s asked" return policy & price match. It was extremely comforting having that when I bought the F510 kind of spontaneously around 2 wks ago (had done research and it was a top candidate, but I had the store mgr right there in front of me and it was a supposed take it today or leave it).

Another quick ? I had for both of these sets - I have a STB with a DVI output. I will also have the Zenith 318 w/ the DVI output. Both TV's obviously only have one HDMI input. I do not have a receiver yet. Thus, I need some inputs to get some audio. Are there any inputs on the back of the TV associated w/ the HDMI input (Video 1 maybe)? I would like to know this before I purchase a DVI to HDMI cable.

Thanks,
Chris
post #172 of 658
yes video one is shared with the HDMI input.
post #173 of 658
Quote:
Originally posted by sterbz

Another quick ? I had for both of these sets - I have a STB with a DVI output. I will also have the Zenith 318 w/ the DVI output. Both TV's obviously only have one HDMI input. I do not have a receiver yet. Thus, I need some inputs to get some audio. Are there any inputs on the back of the TV associated w/ the HDMI input (Video 1 maybe)? I would like to know this before I purchase a DVI to HDMI cable.

Thanks,
Chris

On the DVD Player forum everyone seems to think that you should use component connections with the DVB 318, not DVI. Assuming your firmware is the version allowing upconversion to 1080i over component.

BTW, if Memphismafioso is still following this thread, didn't you get the DVB 318? How do you like it on this set?
post #174 of 658
Yes, I am aware of the huge Zenith 318 thread and the firmware issue. FYI for those still wanting the 318, you can request the old firmware from Gochnauer's and they will promise your item will have it. That's what I did as recent as this Monday. I would act quick, though, as they are drying up fast.

I plan on using the HDMI port in conjunction w/ my STB.

Thanks for the heads up though.
Chris
post #175 of 658
sotti,

You are right. The cable card disables antenna B. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, but true. If you have another component with a tv tunner built in, for example vcr, you could split the signal to the vcr and connect the vcr out jacks (r, y, w) or S-video to the video input on the TV and that would allow you to get OTA broadcasts or non digital cable. The big question is why does the CC disable the second tunner built into the tv?

HUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM. The VCR will not be able to tune in HD OTA broadcast. So I think you would need a new QAM tuner. That is crazy and I think that this is the only hitachi that works this way.

Now I am disapointed. There is a chink in my amor.
post #176 of 658
yeah, I'd have to grab an ATSC tuner and slap in my PC or get a settop box.
post #177 of 658
The computer idea sounds best. Get your self an all-in-wonder 9600 video card and you should be able to tune in OTA HD broadcast and input them to the TV.
post #178 of 658
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by quackery
Get your self an all-in-wonder 9600 video card and you should be able to tune in OTA HD broadcast and input them to the TV.

When did they add that functionality to the 9600?
post #179 of 658
Is it just my remote or all of the remotes? When the room is dark you can't see the bottuns on the remote because the backlighting doesn't shine through the buttons.
post #180 of 658
http://ati.com/products/radeon9600/a.../features.html

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2546404

please correct me if i am wrong. What video cards have a built in tuner? May be it is the new all in wonders.
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