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post #421 of 658
9/20/05 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by cokebear View Post

I took out the lightbox and dusted the bulb(airduster). Also gave the lens a few blasts as well.


Sounds like a DLP, rather than the CRT RPTVs this thread is all about (sorry, could be wrong, don't know all the model numbers by heart)...



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Whatever this is it is definately on the back layer of the screen and it is a... well pit is the only way to describe it and it's inside of 9 pixels (I'm guessing pixels when I get close to the screen I see a grid and it is those grid sections I'm counting). While I had the screen leaned out I took a fingernail to it very lightly thinking it was a stuck bug and thats how I know it is actually a pit. I have had the TV for less than a year and bought an extended warranty from HHGregg for 3 years.


This kind of deformity should be completely covered by warranty. You should be able to just show the warranty tech the problem and let him take it from there, never revealing that you've been inside. (After all, you didn't create this problem, there's no reason for invalidating your warranty. Just don't take any chances...) Let him do the opening up of it.

You need a brand new, unblemished fresnel in there. Their QC either didn't pick it up, or are hoping nobody on your end will notice...


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post #422 of 658
9/21/05 at 8:49pm
Thanks that's the first post that seemed to be knowledegeable in any way. I'll take your advice and call up HHGregg very soon.

By the way it's a RPLCD.
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post #423 of 658
9/22/05 at 9:27am
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By the way it's a RPLCD.

I am glad you mentioned that. It was easy to get sidetracked with confusion, as this thread is all about the CRT RPTV version of the Hitachis. It's in the title -

But glad to help anyway! The projection optics are common to both, tho I see that the CRT type always use a lenticular for their frontmost optical correction screen, while the DLP type typically uses non-lenticular technology in the DLPs. Don't know about the LCD front screens yet, myself...

Whenever there is an impediment on the rearmost screen - the fresnel - on a CRT you will see different colors at the edge, depending on how far off the screen surface the impediment extends.

On a single lens system like yours, that would not be the case. No differing colors.


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post #424 of 658
9/22/05 at 8:33pm
Thanks for the additional info Bob. I was just looking around for some more information about my defect. Trying to find out if anyone had seen this kind of thing before and some people are less than kind about posting in a thread that doesn't quite fit the topic however there wasn't a thread related to the V715 serires that Hitachi makes so I decided to post on other Hitachi threads in the hope of finding out something more than I knew. It worked. Now I at least have an idea that this kind of defect should be under warranty and that I haven't really screwed up just because I opened my box. Doubt anyone could tell I was in there unless I told them and now I also know not to tell. Guess I just got used to cracking the caes on my computers and forgot how some companies frown upon that kind of non-conformist behavior. There is certainly no way a consumer could remove a few screws without messing something up? Sorry I rant a little.

Thanks again Bob it's nice to find someone helpful every now and then.
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post #425 of 658
9/22/05 at 9:08pm
how hard is it to run though the avia and dve disk with this tv 57s715?. I have both arriving tomorrow and I looked at the service menu and I was like my oh my... it looks pretty tough. does anyone have a list of whats what? I saw a list earlier in this thread but it only had a few things on it.
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post #426 of 658
9/23/05 at 1:37am
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There is certainly no way a consumer could remove a few screws without messing something up? Sorry I rant a little.

Can't blame the manufacturers too much. Mit alone lost something like half a mil on the early DIYers who broke in using codes learned on the net, and did severe damage while in there, which Mit warranty was then called upon to fix.


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Thanks again Bob it's nice to find someone helpful every now and then.

No problem. Can't count the times I have learned something unexpected, just by being out there on these boards, fumbling around. Glad you could join us.


Mr Bob
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post #427 of 658
9/24/05 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by diat150 View Post

how hard is it to run though the avia and dve disk with this tv 57s715?. I have both arriving tomorrow and I looked at the service menu and I was like my oh my... it looks pretty tough. does anyone have a list of whats what? I saw a list earlier in this thread but it only had a few things on it.

anyone?
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post #428 of 658
9/25/05 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by diat150 View Post

anyone?


I do all my structure and colorations work with AVIA and all my grayscale work with VE. I find DVE to be insanely hard to work with.

AVIA's grayscale patterns are not accurate, VE's and DVE's and SVGHT's are accurate.

VE's geometry patterns are inaccurate. AVIA's geometry patterns are accurate, and SVGHT uses the same Ovation patterns as AVIA does, tho not as many, it is not nearly as comprehensive as AVIA is. I believe DVE's geometry patterns are accurate, tho I don't know if the percentages are exactly the same as AVIA's.

But to tell you how to use them would take an entire thread. Can't take that kind of time myself, but I am sure others here will. I will say the primary patterns I use on AVIA are the Letterbox Enhanced Circlehatch Grid pattern for 16x9 geometry and convergence, the blue color bars for color and tint, the resolution pattern for fine tuning the outside edges and the convergence, and the overscan pattern for setting the overscan to 4-4.5%.

Be sure to turn on the Repeat Pattern selection at the lower left corner of AVIA's second menu after you are in at the third selection of the master menu, the one that contains the calibration patterns. On the second menu once you have clicked on the Repeat feature down in that corner, you won't have to worry anymore that each pattern will advance on you after a little while of being up there, which can be very irritating when you are using a grid pattern for convergence, which takes a long time. Once Repeat is clicked, each pattern will stay until you tell it to do otherwise.

On VE, the grayscale pattern is invaluable for setting grayscale and brightness, and the Montage of Images is invaluable for setting color and tint when there is red push present and the blue isolation/filter test is then invalid. And for just looking over your work when you are done.

The opening sequence of DVE is stellar as an overall set of images, for testing out how your set works and looks. Other than that it is majorly hard to surf, and I don't use it other than for that and for its filters, which are some of the best.

Good luck -


Mr Bob
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post #429 of 658
9/26/05 at 7:41am
I'd like to ask a question, just maybe somma you guys give point me in a direction. I've owned a 57S715 for exactly 6 full days. I'm writing this at the beginning of day 7. It was a closeout floor model from Sears. Had the worst delivery service. My AM delivery window turned into a 8:45 PM delivery and I learned that the D truck had an accident and good had to be transferred to another D truck. Anyway, the unit arrived bumped and bruised and I'm noticing picture problems. Sears acknowledges, but have no more to swap. They've hinted that they are willing to work with a 710. But I've noticed that there are TWO other 710's on the street,... 710A and 710S. So that's three 710s,... how do they differ?

I'm not even sure whether Sears carries these models. I'm only aware that the 710 is a 4-element unit and the 715 is a 5-element (lens) unit. So my first suspicion is that I'd be loosing pic quality somehow. Yes? No? No sure about any other real or major differences, as their web site (Hitachi) offers no real product comparison page and the product descriptions seem to be regurgitated across the 710s.

Sears has also introduced the Toshiba 57HC85 and the Sony WS665 into the mix as possible swaps. Sooooooo, I guess my real question is: How does the 710 (s) stack up against the toshiba and/or Sony models? Is there a real downgrade from the 715 to the 710(s)?

I gotta let them know what I want to do either today (Monday) or tomorrow. Personally, I'm leaning towards the Sony simply because I'm feeling that it is an upgrade to the 715 and not a downgrade like I'm assuming the 710s are (mainly because of the 4-element vs 5-element spec). I've read in some other AVS threads that Toshibas are nice units, but the only unit (57HC85) that Sears offers doesn't have any SD or HD turners,... it's strictly a monitor.

I'm sittin' on a lot of fences over here, and begging for some words and insight to help tip me one way or another.
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post #430 of 658
9/26/05 at 10:34pm
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Originally Posted by Mr Bob View Post

I do all my structure and colorations work with AVIA and all my grayscale work with VE. I find DVE to be insanely hard to work with.

AVIA's grayscale patterns are not accurate, VE's and DVE's and SVGHT's are accurate.

VE's geometry patterns are inaccurate. AVIA's geometry patterns are accurate, and SVGHT uses the same Ovation patterns as AVIA does, tho not as many, it is not nearly as comprehensive as AVIA is. I believe DVE's geometry patterns are accurate, tho I don't know if the percentages are exactly the same as AVIA's.

But to tell you how to use them would take an entire thread. Can't take that kind of time myself, but I am sure others here will. I will say the primary patterns I use on AVIA are the Letterbox Enhanced Circlehatch Grid pattern for 16x9 geometry and convergence, the blue color bars for color and tint, the resolution pattern for fine tuning the outside edges and the convergence, and the overscan pattern for setting the overscan to 4-4.5%.

Be sure to turn on the Repeat Pattern selection at the lower left corner of AVIA's second menu after you are in at the third selection of the master menu, the one that contains the calibration patterns. On the second menu once you have clicked on the Repeat feature down in that corner, you won't have to worry anymore that each pattern will advance on you after a little while of being up there, which can be very irritating when you are using a grid pattern for convergence, which takes a long time. Once Repeat is clicked, each pattern will stay until you tell it to do otherwise.

On VE, the grayscale pattern is invaluable for setting grayscale and brightness, and the Montage of Images is invaluable for setting color and tint when there is red push present and the blue isolation/filter test is then invalid. And for just looking over your work when you are done.

The opening sequence of DVE is stellar as an overall set of images, for testing out how your set works and looks. Other than that it is majorly hard to surf, and I don't use it other than for that and for its filters, which are some of the best.

Good luck -


Mr Bob

thanks for the help, but after seeing all of those patterns I realize this may be out of my league. any chance you will be in the louisiana area anytime soon? or know of a calibrator in the lafayette area? because I surely dont want to screw the tv up.
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post #431 of 658
9/28/05 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by diat150 View Post

thanks for the help, but after seeing all of those patterns I realize this may be out of my league. any chance you will be in the louisiana area anytime soon? or know of a calibrator in the lafayette area? because I surely dont want to screw the tv up.


Part of my career as a professional calibrator is to be flown in to various places in the country to do my thing. I would love to fly in and totally tits out your set for you. You can do it alone, as was done when I was flown out to New Jersey for a second time earlier this year for a guy from Merck, or you can get together with other videophiles in your area and set up a calibration tour. Up to you.

There are very very few of us fullspectrum/fullscale calibrators around, esp. for CRT RPTVs, who know all the ins and outs of everything it takes to truly do the whole thing. Including the image structure - focusing (I wrote the Cantilever Technique), overscan reduction, optics cleaning, geometry and convergence - which most ISF trained agents know nothing about.

Along with all the ISF stuff, then also the color decoding realignment, which is another thing ISF agents are not trained in, at the ISF course. Hitachis have built-in red push just like the Mits's do, but are fully realignable to silky, supersmooth and linear color decoding, with no red push - and thus no blue/green diminish either. Fully faithful colors on everything, including incredible depth on things like peacock feathers.

Would love to see your neck of the woods!

Basically this is the best chance I get to travel and see the country, on calibration tours and/or private calibration jobs in other locales.


Mr Bob
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post #432 of 658
9/30/05 at 5:15pm
Has anyone heard of any rumors suggesting a new S series? Was told by a Rex Sales Rep that the xxS825 was about to enter the market. Any truth? Anyone else hear anything similar?

According to him, the 825's will lose the 5-element lens (same guns) & the Virtual HD 1080P processing. He did say that there will be improvements in the screen,... glass instead of plastic (wow, that sounds scarey); and a new OSD.

Sure would like to hear what any of you may have heard!
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post #433 of 658
10/1/05 at 1:11am
On the Hitachi website they have a press release that talks about the s825 series and it looks like they actually changed the name from s825 to s715 because they have the same specs but do not mention the s715's. The press release is dated 5/27/2005 and Title is "Hitachi Introduces the Industry's Thinniest CRT Projection Televisions". It seems that I cant post a link until I post 5 times.
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post #434 of 658
10/1/05 at 7:19pm
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The press release is dated 5/27/2005 and Title is "Hitachi Introduces the Industry's Thinniest CRT Projection Televisions". It seems that I cant post a link until I post 5 times.

http://www.hitachi.us/Apps/hitachico...s/Press-Media/
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post #435 of 658
10/7/05 at 11:58am
I recently bought my 51S715 from uecweb. you can read about all my adventure here http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=373820

Heres a pic,

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post #436 of 658
10/7/05 at 5:59pm
Has anyone tried to hook up a PC to the S715 and had success? I really want to give it a shot but I'm not sure if it's possible and I would absolutely HATE to buy the cable and have it not work.

My PC has the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (which at one time was a pretty sweet card) with DVI but as I'm still completely new at the whole DVI/HDMI thing...I haven't been able to find a solid yea or nea.
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post #437 of 658
10/7/05 at 8:30pm
Paul, I know this isn't quite the info you are looking for but I use the component outs from a HTPC/ATI 9600 to drive my S715. It looks good enough that I haven't gone all the way to DVI.
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post #438 of 658
10/8/05 at 7:57am
The_smokester,

Component outs...did you have to buy a breakout box for component and if so, where did you come up with that breakout box? Also, did you have to jump through any major hoops to get a display that wasn't all whacked out by using Powerstrip or anything?

My goal is to move this PC near enough to the TV and/or upcoming equipment rack to make use of it's huge Hard Drive capacity and possibly record OTA HD (when and if I'm able to get that figured out). The 9800 I have seems to have a DVI output that would use a DVI-D cable as well as the DVI-I (?) but can it use either? If I use DVI-D (which seems to be the connection I'm supposed to use for the S715) will that work.

Just a little confused and trying to find out if it's just gonna be a "buy the cable and pray" or not.
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post #439 of 658
10/8/05 at 6:08pm
Paul,
I use the ATI DVI-to-component adapter for HDTV into the component inputs of the s715.

While I have used it, the newer versions of Catalyst seem to render PowerStrip unnecessary.

I think the s715 can use the DVI directly but I have no experience with it.
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post #440 of 658
10/8/05 at 8:50pm
...and where would one wishing to purchase that adapter look to purchase?

My room is nearly done and I have to tell you, this desk and monitor are really bothering me in here. It just seems to be out of place and I want to explore other options if possible.
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post #441 of 658
10/13/05 at 8:56am
I have a few Q's on the Color Management Menu. What exactly do the 'Gain' and 'Phase' controls do and what impact do they have? I've tried toying around with these adjustments, but I can not see any impact on the picture. What I'm tring to do is get some of the white=blue out of the 'Standard' Color Temperature setting. I like the 'Standard' setting because there doesn't seem to be an overall blue tint to the picture, but what should be white still seems to be on the blue side. As I understand it, the 'Black & White' temp setting should be reserved for viewing black & white shows, like old video on some of the history channels. Correct? So I don't wanna monkey in that setting. If all of my above assumptions are wrong, then WHEN is the appropriate time to adjust these settings (gain & phase)?

The default settings for the gain and phase settings are all set at 50, so it's very easy to get back to where the factory put 'em.
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post #442 of 658
10/13/05 at 9:09am
Paul,
I believe this is the item here:
http://www.censuspc.com/product.php?productid=612
although it seems outrageously priced. I haven't purchased from this vendor so don't know about them.

I bought mine from newegg here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814999903
although this item appears to be a substitute. I have the ATI manufactured adapter.
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post #443 of 658
10/13/05 at 7:28pm
Smokester,

What do you actually do with your PC as it relates to the connection to your Hitachi? Is it for movie viewing or do you actually use the S715 while surfing the web as well?

Also...thanks for the links to those products.

Mr Bob,

Did I understand that I shouldn't wipe the dust off the protective screen for fear of scratching it? If so, what would you suggest to use to clean it. It's getting a bit dusty now
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post #444 of 658
10/13/05 at 8:32pm
Alllllllllrighty, ye all of the magic answer box who have so helped me in the past:

51S715, Insight cable box DCT6412 III.

When I watch HD programming over the cable box, some of the commercials are 4:3, with the dreaded black bars.

I feel like an imbecile, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to turn those bars grey. SD I watch exclusively 4:3 expanded so I'm not worried about SD 4:3, only the 4:3 content that appears during commercials while watching 16:9 HD programming.

Anyone? I greatly appreciate any information or advice.
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post #445 of 658
10/13/05 at 10:41pm
Paul,
My main use for the HTPC is using the TheaterTek software to watch movies...Gives a really beautiful picture amazingly close to HDTV with standard DVDs. I sometimes (rarely) use it with Sage TV to record standard programing so my system is connected to the internet (for downloading the electronic programming guide) but the picture is not very good for regular surfing.
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post #446 of 658
10/17/05 at 1:41am
Just read that the 5XS825 Ultravision series has been cancelled, and Hitachi is relabeling the XXF710A's as 'Ultravision'. If this is true, the S715's are the last of the truly fine sets, and CRT based HDRPTV is now in Hospice care!
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post #447 of 658
10/17/05 at 3:23pm
I just jumped on the last 57S715 available through UECWeb. For the price, this set seems like a winner. Can't wait to have it delivered. Would love to see some photos of fellow owner's sets in the home environment too, if any has 'em . . .
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post #448 of 658
10/17/05 at 10:10pm
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I just jumped on the last 57S715 available through UECWeb. For the price, this set seems like a winner. Can't wait to have it delivered. Would love to see some photos of fellow owner's sets in the home environment too, if any has 'em . . .

Good thinking, good move, & good luck with your new machine. I think you'll be more than pleased. Later today you should be getting e-mail with an order # and an on-line invoice. Be sure to go to the site and request order status and they'll shoot you a tracking #. Again, good luck Dutch!!
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post #449 of 658
10/18/05 at 9:00pm
Try here Dutch Boy

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread...0&page=1&pp=15
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post #450 of 658
10/20/05 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by ysaric View Post

Alllllllllrighty, ye all of the magic answer box who have so helped me in the past:

51S715, Insight cable box DCT6412 III.

When I watch HD programming over the cable box, some of the commercials are 4:3, with the dreaded black bars.

I feel like an imbecile, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to turn those bars grey. SD I watch exclusively 4:3 expanded so I'm not worried about SD 4:3, only the 4:3 content that appears during commercials while watching 16:9 HD programming.

Anyone? I greatly appreciate any information or advice.

Just thought I would follow up with a bump, in case it slipped by someone who might know the answer. Once again, thanks in advance to anyone with any ideas here.
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