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post #6721 of 6828
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

I'm moving from Memphis, TN to Coral Springs in 2 weeks. Is this the correct thread I should follow or the West Palm Beach one? Coming in to say hi.

Ok next question, we will be in zip code 33065. I use Comcast internet currently and they said they don't service the range of the house we are going to rent. Are my other options only Advanced Cable or ATT? If so how are the speeds? I will be working from home temporarily so I need to have a reliable internet connection.

I use OTA and record as much as possible from that instead of the D* feeds. Doing a antennaweb search looks like we are mostly around 20 - 23 30 miles from the different towers. Good times for me!

Welcome to South Florida. You're in the right place for Coral Springs. In CS, your options for internet are AT&T and Advanced Cable. I had a business in Coral Springs for a while and had Advanced for both TV and Internet. They were OK... there were periodic outages as I used to have with Comcast in my home. Also, speeds would vary depending on how many people were using the shared bandwidth, but that wasn't a major problem that we had. We also offered free WiFi to our customers using Advanced so it worked well.

At home I use AT&T and their 6 Mb package for internet. It's worked very reliably and I get good throughput. Both are good, so I suspect you might want to consider what other options you might need, via TV and Phone and make your decision that way.
post #6722 of 6828
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Originally Posted by Angel L. View Post

Any using U-Verse in the 33173 area or close? I just ordered and they state they can now feed 4 HDTV's at the same time. I will check with the installer when they come out.

Also, how do you like U-Verse?
I have had D* for 15 yrs now but my isp is crap.

U verse told me the same thing. Its been 8 months and I noticed when I am recording 2 shows my wife can't watch anything in HD in the bedroom. Call ATT and they said thats how it is. So 4 HDTV my BUTT! Looks like I am going back to Comcast. Hopefully they are not compressing the channels too bad.
post #6723 of 6828
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Cool, thanks. Wonder why you couldn't catch WTVJ...

- Trip

I tried again, this time the the latest version of the Decontis viewer. The WTVJ M/H service was present this time, however, neither it nor the M/H service from WSCV play for more than a couple of seconds before freezing. No problem with the normal MPEG2 services.

Notice the exclamation mark next to the 'WTVJ' mobility icon in the enclosed screen capture. Also note that the ESG icon is off. The Decontis manual says that ESG is "mostly unnecessary" for ATSC M/H so this may or may not be the problem.
LL
post #6724 of 6828
Cool, thanks. I wonder what's up with the MH services not working right for you. I'll get to test the New York ones in about a month and a half and see if they work any better for me than you. I actually bought a license for the Decontis software since I was so pleased just to see something that could go so far as to display the channel names.

- Trip
post #6725 of 6828
Hey Trip, here are TSReader captures for some of Miami's LPTV's.

 

TSReader Captures 12-4-10.zip 12.3291015625k . file
post #6726 of 6828
Thanks! Very much appreciated.

- Trip
post #6727 of 6828
Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same thing as I am.

All channels BUT Channel 7/WSVN comes in loud and clear. Channel 7 comes in clear picture wise, but the audio has a bit of a garble to it.

If it helps at all, HDTV with OTA outside antenna.

Is it just me???
post #6728 of 6828
Advanced Cable added some more HD channels:

ION HD
Weather Channel HD
Disney Channel HD
Lifetime HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
FX HD
Speed Channel HD
Golf Channel HD
Versus HD
CNN HD
Fox Business HD
NFL Redzone HD
TMC HD.
post #6729 of 6828
- WSFL added a sub-channel (39-3 "AntTV", which was showing the same program as 39-4 "ThisTV").
- WPTV and WPXM are transmitting mobility signals. ("WPTV Mobile" is a low-bandwidth version of the main HD channel; WPXM's M/H signal wouldn't decode on the Decontis player.)
- CTN HD TSReader capture is on the West Palm Beach thread.

 

WSFL WPTV WPXM 12-24-10.zip 6.9501953125k . file
post #6730 of 6828
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Originally Posted by acesk8er View Post

- WSFL added a sub-channel (39-3 "AntTV", which was showing the same program as 39-4 "ThisTV").
- WPTV and WPXM are transmitting mobility signals. ("WPTV Mobile" is a low-bandwidth version of the main HD channel; WPXM's M/H signal wouldn't decode on the Decontis player.)
- CTN HD TSReader capture is on the West Palm Beach thread.

Thanks! I got the WPB set from the other thread as well.

- Trip
post #6731 of 6828
At my old house in TN I was able to pull in the various stations on my pc and get their TSReader info. Not so lucky at this house, it isn't wired for my "needs". Could you also pull the streams for WFOR, WTVJ, and WFLX. Those and WSFL are the major ones I can get. I'm curious if WFOR is sending the full 19.39 mbps for the channel or if they are sending a bunch of null data. The CBS where I cam from only sent a max 15 mbps and it looked terrible. The NBC also had 2 subs and had the same blocky look as WTVJ.

It puzzles me why WSFL is sending so much null when they only give ~7.6 mbps of video to -1 and it looks so crappy. Do they always do that?
post #6732 of 6828
I have the other stations on my website from past captures by acesk8er. Click the call sign of the station you want, then click "Technical Data and Screencaps." At the bottom of the listing I have the bitrate data, but you can also click "TSReader Data" and see the raw output. http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=22

WSFL isn't limiting it to 7.6 Mbps. They're using a variable bitrate encoder, and acesk8er just happened to catch it during a scene with little motion that required little bandwidth. That said, the three SD subs certainly aren't helping the HD quality, but it's not quite as bad as it looks.

If the CBS in Miami is like the other CBS O&O stations, it's using a very new variable bitrate encoder that has a very high upper bound on bitrates. Most people I know of who have a CBS O&O claim it to have the best picture quality of any HD they've seen outside of raw network satellite feeds. I have seen some of these stations captured at low-looking bitrates as well, but that definitely does not tell the whole story.

I'm going to guess from your description that you lived in Memphis. (No other NBC in the state has two SD subs. ) NBC is probably worse in Miami since NBC Universal Sports is very bandwidth-intensive compared to This TV on WMC. It may be mitigated if WTVJ has a significantly better encoder than WMC had, but I have no way of knowing that off-hand. WTVJ also has a variable bitrate encoder.

Getting data from WFLX doesn't really help anything. The Fox splicer delivers the exact network feed to all affiliates, unless a local station is bypassing it which I believe to be in violation of their affiliation agreement. It's a variable bitrate feed but should be the same no matter which station you look at.

- Trip
post #6733 of 6828
Yep, Memphis it is. I know WMC got a new encoder maybe 2 years ago, and the station engineer said it isn't near as good as the manufacturer claimed it to be on their demo. I politely said "yes I know". Just more of an fyi.

I knew that about FOX, just had a brain fart after a 17 hour drive back from there. During local programming WHBQ upped the bitrate to the 17 mbps range.

To hear that the CBS down here is O&O is music to my ears, I have suffered with low quality CBS for years. Most of our viewing is from CBS and FOX.
post #6734 of 6828
Antenna TV launching Jan 01, 2011 12AM on subchannel 39-3.
AntTV is currently airing a preview.

http://www.wgnamerica.com/shows/antenna/
post #6735 of 6828
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Originally Posted by DigitalPlayer View Post

Antenna TV launching Jan 01, 2011 12AM on subchannel 39-3.
AntTV is currently airing a preview.

http://www.wgnamerica.com/shows/antenna/

Loving AntTv so far! Kinda takes the sting out of losing retrotv to YET ANOTHER latv feed.
Now if I can only get a reliable signal from my17 on 34 I'll be set.
post #6736 of 6828
Anyone know when Comcast plans to add more HD channels in the North Dade/Aventura area?
post #6737 of 6828
If anyone is interested, I have an owned H20 that I would like to get rid of. $20, nothing wrong with it, just don't have a need for it now that I have moved down here.
post #6738 of 6828
Just a note to inform that a Miami / Ft. Lauderdale topic dedicated to Comcast can be found here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=19879189
post #6739 of 6828
Power on VHF helps... A lot!

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...&fac_num=63840

I had to move the antenna around a little bit to find a sweet spot. Previously receiving WSVN here in central Palm Beach was a once or twice a year occurrence.
post #6740 of 6828
Pardon my ignorance, but what does that mean? Did they put in a permit to increase their power, or have they already increased it? Where I'm at I can get 29-1 sometimes sporadic, sometimes perfectly fine. I don't get a blip on 7. Does this mean I have the possibility of picking 7-1 up now?
post #6741 of 6828
They were at 60 kW, and now have increased to 158 kW.

- Trip
post #6742 of 6828
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They were at 60 kW, and now have increased to 158 kW.

The higher power helps but so far WSVN 7 isn't as solid as WPLG 10 at my location with an indoor antenna. I still need a little bit of propagation enhancement for 7 to come in solid. I'm pretty sure that reliable reception is/was always possible here with an outdoor antenna.
post #6743 of 6828
Interesting, because I think WPLG is at 127.7 kW, a lower power level.

- Trip
post #6744 of 6828
any word on 9.1? Did they ever increase their signal strength?
I still can't pick this up.
Also, whenever I enter 19 my LG tunes to 39.
post #6745 of 6828
Holy crap WSFL's PQ is awful. The basketball game this weekend looked flat and Smallville was terrible. I'm 18 ft away from our 42" RPTV, my wife and is 12 and she commented on it. Ugh.
post #6746 of 6828
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

Holy crap WSFL's PQ is awful. The basketball game this weekend looked flat and Smallville was terrible. I'm 18 ft away from our 42" RPTV, my wife and is 12 and she commented on it. Ugh.

Yep... This happened beginning 1-1-11 when they added yet another sub-channel (39.4) in order to carry Antenna TV on 39.3 in addition to Azteca America (39.2) and This TV (39.4)....

It's absolutely disgusting what they've done to their signal.... How can they call it HD ?.... The basketball games you're talking about look like they're out of focus all the time because of the limited digital bandwidth they assigned to 39.1 cannot handle the fast movements of the sports action...

Check out all their other "HD" shows (syndicated, etc.) and you'll see they look like washed-out SD video.... As far as I'm concerned, we have sadly "lost" a local HD channel here in South Florida (WSFL).... RIP Channel 39 !

(Trip in Virginia should remove WSFL as an HD channel from his list.)
post #6747 of 6828
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Originally Posted by mario315 View Post

(Trip in Virginia should remove WSFL as an HD channel from his list.)

It's HD in the sense they're transmitting 1080 lines. How many of those lines you can actually see is another story.

Tribune needs to invest in some new encoders. I have WSFL listed as variable bitrate just because the TSReader capture I have has the HD at such a low bitrate as to be unbelievable if it's not variable. However, it would be the only Tribune station to have a variable bitrate encoder, which makes me skeptical that it actually is variable.

- Trip
post #6748 of 6828
The past couple of days I have been losing signal from the HD channels when the storms came rolling through. Up in Memphis it would take storms harder than that to lose HD signal. What should my signal strengths look like down here? I was in the mid to high 90's on the new sat. Here it looks like I average about 95%. Is that good?
post #6749 of 6828
Are you talking satellite or OTA ?
I have Dish network, and didn't lose the signal yesterday, even with the
front that moved through.

Walt
post #6750 of 6828
My bad, D*.
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