The Toshiba DLP (HM/HMX) Owners Thread - Page 55

I am thinking about purchasing the 62hm84. I've been reading alot about
ghosting problems etc.., is this problem mostly with a computer hooked up
to it, or generally pretty much everything that comes through. I will be
mostly using it to watch tv via dish network with hd receiver, and watching
dvd movies. any comments would be appreciated. Is there anyone that is
happy with this model???

Your cable company has nothing to do with the TVGOS data stream, other than rebroadcasting it on a channel they carry. In fact, they have the right to strip it out, if they so choose -- there's a landmark FCC case between Gemstar and I think Time Warner about this you can Google. I am not aware if TVGOS data is being broadcast in the VBI (vertical blanking interval) of the TV Guide channel. Maybe it is, but it's not included on my cable lineup. Check out this link which explains PBS:

http://www.pbsnationaldatacast.com/Analog_Network.htm

Don't forget that TVGOS is designed for an OTA input as well as cable. People using an antenna won't have access to the TV Guide channel. PBS is the closest thing to universal channel (and they could always use the extra money), which is why the VCR manufacturers implemented the auto clock set feature, which is also based on PBS VBI data. Local network affiliates may have cut deals with Gemstar to broadcast the data stream, but that varies by market.

Since eventually the analog NTSC broadcasting will go away, does anyone know if TVGOS as it exists in our HM94 TV's is capable of operating with channel-specific guide data which may be transmitted in ATSC PSIP?

The TV Guide section gets their information from PBS? Does that mean when PBS is going through their painful pledge drives, TV Guide gets FUBARd ?

Yes, I still have the same TVGOS problem from day 1 - no data. I have never seen any data. This has now been 4 months. I have a 62HM94 with cable input (no cable box).

I believe that dtomlinson and sharonf have the same problem of never having seen any data.

I talked once again with Sharon (Toshiba CSR) earlier tonday. She was surprised that mine hadn't populated yet. Her test model populated at the beginning of this week.

dsr

My reply came from Scott at Toshiba Customer Support at this email address:
customer_support@tacp.com

I just checked my set again and still no data.

My questions Is are there any other TVGOS users In the ND\\SD area that are using Midcontinent Communications for there cable provider? And If you do Is It working for you? I'm trying to figure out if there blocking the transmission or not.

Or Any TVGOS users that are using a antenna In North Dakota and receiving there data?

I've hooked up my indoor antenna but sadly I get terrible reception as I'm currently living In a trailer and since I'm renting It I can't get permission to put up a outdoor antenna.

have had my 62hm84 for about 6 weeks now. overall i am very happy with it. I dont notice any ghosting, using components or hdmi.
i do have one problem. I get vertical lines in the picture appearing. mostly when theres red in the screen. like if someone is wearing a red shirt, a thin line of red pixles, carries right up to the top of the picture. basically a red line vertically, but is hidden in the shirt. i have seen it in faces also. there has been as many a 4 lines on the tv at once. i have only noticed it with my directv hd box (toshiba dst-3100). i first saw it on the sd channels. and not on the hd. now it is opposite. the sd channels seem to be fine. while on most all hd channels i can see it. i have a tivo sd hooked up as well and i dont see it at all. nor on my dvds. I have no idea what it could be.
i did read a post on here about the lines on the screen , from a toshiba service bulliten. but wouldnt it be on all inputs not just my hd box. i really have no way of getting another hd box to see if its my box. also if i call toshiba to come look at the tv. they will just tell me its the box anyways.
and probably charge me a service call .'??????? will they charge me a service call if they say the tvs fine?

what should i do.
thx in advance
bryan

The TV is great. The Dishnetwork 811 is finally settling down after a year of nasty bugs. But if you hook it up via a DVI/HDMI cable, you may see ghosting. I see it bad on mine. So I switched to Component cabling and am thrilled with the picture quality.

I just thought about something. With the STB set to 1080i if the signal is 1080i the STB leaves the signal intact and the TV will convert it to 720p. That's probably not a problem as the display has a decent scaler. However, if the signal is 720p then the STB will upconvert to 1080i and then the display will downconver it back to 720p. I wonder what this does to the PQ?

If, however, you set the STB to 720p, if the signal is 720p it leaves it alone (this is good) and the TV also leaves it intact. If the signal is 1080i then the STB will downconvert it to 720p (maybe not that good) and again the display will leave it intact.

With that being said, since the display's native resolution is 720p wouldn't it be better to set the STB accordingly or am I missing something? Any thoughts?

I made my weekly call to Toshiba again today. (All the emails I've ever sent have been given a generic "call customer service" type reply)
This time while on the phone the girl had me enter a code while in the TV Guide setup menu. This brought up another screen with the software version number and a lot of other info such as the VBI host channel (PBS channel). I didn't have time to write down the code and it was too long to remember but it didn't look like there was anything there you could change so I don't know how much use it would be to us other than when calling customer service.

Anyway, she said all the info looked correct. The VBI host channel was set to my correct PBS channel. She took the software version I read her off the menu for the technical department to look into and hopefully find the problem.

I had gone through the setup again a few days ago and yesterday had the channel list loaded and as of this morning when I called some program listings started to show up but now they are all blank again.



Jeff

You're not missing something. I didn't understand this either (and still don't). I called Toshiba this morning and asked this question and they insisted the proper setting is 1080i, regardless of the fact that the TV's native resolution is 720p. The service tech didn't elaborate and I felt if I pressed for more info it would have gone nowhere, but that's what they told me.

The only thing I can think of is that a majority of the channels are broadcast in 1080i so if you set the STB to 720p then it will have to downconvert most of the signals as opposed to the display which has a better scaler/deinterlacer. I've been checking out the other forums and several people have mentioned no difference in PQ at 720p or 1080i at least from the Motorola DCT6412. A few others leave it at 1080i unless they are watching ABC or ESPN sports and switch it to 720p. The best thing is for the STB to have a pass-through so the TV can convert if necessary but the Motorola boxes don't have this feature.

aircasper:

Hope it is not too late:

L - 57 1/4 in
W 22 in
H 36 in

I have been wondering about this too. I have tried it both ways. Hard to see a difference but then again w/ all the channels/shows and each one being a little different how can you check it all out. I decided to leave it at 1080i except for when I watch sports on a 720p broadcast channel. Then I just go into setup and change it. Not such a burden as there are not that many 720p sports broadcasts - unfortunately! If anyone else has heard a better solution would love to hear it.

Anyone have this set with a Panasonic S97S DVD player?

If so, can you tell me if you notice purple/pink clouds of dust while watching DVD's, especially in scenes that use lots of smoke, fog, or dust.

Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

awesome! thanks so much for your help! if the tv arrives today at the local shipping depot, it looks like i should be able to pick it up with my friend's suv based on those dimensions! (tv would have to lay on it's back, but it would be a short trip). thanks again!

Bet you cannot wait! Let me know how you like it. I am very happy w/ it. FYI, I tried hooking it up w/ a HDMI to DVI connection and saw no difference so I am just using my component cable. Plus there were issues w/ STB and TV synching up - have to turn them on/off in a certain way.

Just be very careful with your set if you pick it up by yourself. My first set was damaged by the delivery men when they unboxed the set before bringing it into the house. There was both physical and internal damage. The store replaced my set but the whole thing was till a pain.

Hoops2U-
What STB to you use? I have an issue with my Dish Network 921 and DVI/HDMI where if the HDMI cable is connected when the TV turns on I'll get no video and the TV will go into some error mode, requiring a hard power-down and disconnect of the HDMI cable. If I connect the cable after all the hardware boots up, no issues...odd and annoying but not worth a tech call for me.

Just curious.

trust me, the wait has been painful. thanks for the tip about component v. hdmi. i was hoping to be able to use a hdmi to dvi connection to connect the cable stb with the tv, leaving the two component cable inputs for the xbox and dvd player. but if there's an issue with the stb and tv not synching up correctly, i may have to rethink this one. don't know why companies seem to have a hard time implementing hdmi/dvi properly on some of these tvs.

I've been reading most of the posts here on the tosh-dlp-hm forum and on the tosh -crt-h forum. I've narrowed my choices to the 46h84 for $1300 and the 46hm84 for $2200. Please help me make my decision! I would like to hear reasons for the purchase of each set. Thank you!

I saw this on another forum and thought I would post it here in case anyone was interested. It explains the Toshiba model numbers and what they mean.

The nomenclature can be confusing but hear are the basics:
Of course the first number is the size of the TV,
H for High Def, A for Analog.
If theres an M, its a DLP, P for Plasma, L for LCD, (its CRT by default)
X is for Cinema Series
8* indicated no integrated tuner
9* indicates integrated ATSC/QAM tuner
* indicates model year 200*

In some of the previous years, they had a D in that indicated DVI, but they've dropped that since all of the new HDTVs have DVI or HDMI.

I considered the same two tv's recently. $900 difference is significant in my mind. To me that is the first item to consider but only you can decide that one.

I went w/ the 46hm84 for two main reasons:
1) No burn-in issues w/ dlp
2) 720p native res better for watching sports.

Good luck.

Motorola 6412. From what I gather if you do the following it will synch up:

Always turn the TV on first, then the STB to ensure the proper handshake.
Opposite for turning it off.

Try getting my 3 yr old to remember that!

So you have to disconnect the cable and reconnect each time? To me that would be worth a tech call.

Let me know how the XBox looks. I am thinking of getting one.

will do. firing up halo 2 will be one of the first things i do when i get this tv. fortunately, it looks like the trucking comany will be able to deliver the tv to my house tomorrow morning! can't wait!

TV Guide

Still not working for me either.
I get nothing. Not even a partial listing.

I returned my first unit because of the problem. The next one they sent out to me already had the updated firmware and it only slightly helped if at all.

Do you notice any pink/purple clouds?

What movie/scenes? What settings/resolution etc?

On my 62hmx84 with S97 (720p) I never saw any other than in the DVE testpattern. And they did improve greatly after the Firmware upgrade.

Ok, let me see if I have this correct? Set the converter to 1080i and also 480P? With the 6412 you have the option to do both.