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post #7231 of 7450
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Originally Posted by hideftv View Post

... I rescan and 13 locks again. ..."

I did try re-scanning the channels and 13.1 still did not show up.
post #7232 of 7450
Those little free black boxes will block all HD channels. You may need their hd dvr.
JR
post #7233 of 7450
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Originally Posted by jerrich View Post

Those little free black boxes will block all HD channels. You may need their hd dvr.
JR

Even the free ones such as 2.1, 4.1, 7.1, 13.1 and 19.1?
post #7234 of 7450
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post
Even the free ones such as 2.1, 4.1, 7.1, 13.1 and 19.1?
Yup, they're digital to analog converters. I installed a couple for my parents. My Dad was absolutely furious to learn they'd need an HD box on all 3 of their HDTV's to get HD channels.
post #7235 of 7450
Yep. Those little black boxes suck. They give you only the analog cable channels and do not pass thru any HD channels. It's for people that still have 4:3 TVs and never had/wanted a cable box.

That sucks about 13.1 not showing up on a rescan. It's always worked for me.
post #7236 of 7450
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Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

Yup, they're digital to analog converters. I installed a couple for my parents. My Dad was absolutely furious to learn they'd need an HD box on all 3 of their HDTV's to get HD channels.

If this is true, I'm going to switch to OTA and not have Comcast cable on the spare TV's.
post #7237 of 7450
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Originally Posted by hideftv View Post

Yep. Those little black boxes suck. They give you only the analog cable channels and do not pass thru any HD channels. It's for people that still have 4:3 TVs and never had/wanted a cable box.

That sucks about 13.1 not showing up on a rescan. It's always worked for me.

I just found out something interesting this morning as I got up earlier than usual and had some extra time. I was just channel surfing and found KRQE digital 13.1 located on 19.3. Again, this is Comcast cable connected directly to TVs with a digital tuner so I'm not using any cable boxes at all. I will just put the boxes that Comcast is sending to me in a closet and not use them at all if these boxes change the digital HD stations to SD analog. As long as I know where to find KRQE, I'm a satisfied camper.
post #7238 of 7450
Not unusual, US Cable in Carlsbad has KBIM 10.1 ( KRQE satellite in Roswell on channel 77.13, I believe.

Cable systems reassign digital OTA channels to various QAM virtual channels, you can never be sure where they will show up.

Most cable systems carry locals in HD unscrambled, they may be required to.
post #7239 of 7450
Which PBS station does Direct TV carry in Albuquerque, local or Portales?
post #7240 of 7450
Looks like KRQE and Dish aren't getting along now. 13 may be gone on Mar4.
post #7241 of 7450
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Originally Posted by adb View Post

Which PBS station does Direct TV carry in Albuquerque, local or Portales?

Both of them (KNME and KENW). They do not carry KNMD.
post #7242 of 7450
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Originally Posted by hideftv View Post

Looks like KRQE and Dish aren't getting along now. 13 may be gone on Mar4.

Is it CBS, or Fox?

I just saw on Fox news at 9 the station manager discussing the issue,so I assumed the beef was with Fox, but now I realize that Fox --KASA-- carries KRQE news. Or do they both have the same parent company?

And will our Dish DVRs still pass through and record the OTA version of the disputed channel(s)?
post #7243 of 7450
It's both (KRQE and KASA) since LIN owns both of them. It's one of those things where you need to take a sledgehammer to the FCC rulemakers' heads - 1) they allow multiple station ownership in a market so in a market like ours, one can become too powerful by owning more than 1 station, and 2) there is no retrans arbitration that I know of - yet - so if DISH and LIN can't get an agreement hammered out by March 4th, DISH subs lose and there is no cooling off period or arbitration to ensure that LIN isn't asking for $1,000,000 per sub for the stations and DISH isn't caving in because it's a ridiculous demand that is keeping an agreement from being struck when the actual fair value of the stations may be $0.25 or $0.50/station/sub/month.

Thankfully not much FOX or CBS stuff I record off DISH Network as it's done by my PC/ATSC tuner for quality reasons so if I lose those two on my DISH sub March 4th, no biggie.

We as HDTV enthusiasts need to try to figure out how to get the word out that they are available by antenna in many areas. It always amazes me the stupidity of a lot of people who live in an area covered by the off-air transmissions and think they can only get network programming by cable or satellite and if it gets dropped from their service, it's change their service provider to restore the network programming rather than just put up rabbit ears during the dispute.
post #7244 of 7450
Thanks for the info.

I'm still wondering if the OTA will work with my Dish DVR so I can record. If they both go off the air, that will suck during NFL season. At least there's some time before then.
post #7245 of 7450
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

I'm still wondering if the OTA will work with my Dish DVR so I can record.

I wouldn't know. My 625 doesn't have a built-in ATSC tuner (I use my PC as a recording/viewing machine with an ATSC device I have hooked up to it).

I'll have to see if I can record and playback the KRQE GM's message about LIN broadcasting and DISH Network. The thing that makes me most sick is that he hopes that KRQE/KASA are a valuable part of a pay tv package for its viewers. If I were on a ranch or the indian reservations outside of getting an off-air signal from the crest or from a translator, it probably would be valuable to get my network programming. Living in the footprint of the crest transmission, it's not so much valuable to me. I have pay tv subscription for the national cable channels that I enjoy.
post #7246 of 7450
I was looking at my DISH network programming guide and noticed KENW is in the guide - at least SD, I haven't researched to see if HD is also included. I went to the KENW channel on my 625 and got a black screen.

Are we (Albuquerque'ans) blacked out from KENW in order to protect KNME or are we supposed to be able to also view KENW since we are in the same DMA?
post #7247 of 7450
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Thanks for the info.

I'm still wondering if the OTA will work with my Dish DVR so I can record. If they both go off the air, that will suck during NFL season. At least there's some time before then.

I haven't been with Dish now for almost a year and glad I switched to Comcast because of all the problems Dish has with CBS/Fox. I remember that OTA worked great with my 722 Dish DVR and I could record the OTA stations fine. In fact, they looked better because they weren't so compressed as the satellite versions.
post #7248 of 7450
On DirecTV both (KENW and KNME) are HD. Neither one is blacked out for me. Interestingly they don't carry KNMD, which also comes from Sandia Crest.
post #7249 of 7450
Let LIN know how you feel... information in post 14 & 19 here...
post #7250 of 7450
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Originally Posted by kg6mvb View Post

On DirecTV both (KENW and KNME) are HD. Neither one is blacked out for me. Interestingly they don't carry KNMD, which also comes from Sandia Crest.

DISH KENW SD is now active so no blackout. I suppose earlier this morning DISH activated the channel before they were finished being ready to launch it.

I should tell my dad about this development - I think he wants to see "At the Movies" that KENW has and KNME doesn't - at least the last time I checked.

I like the move to add KENW because of all the lame KNME viewer's choice programming is geared towards the geritol generation. Maybe KENW is a little bit hipper with viewer's choice programming.
post #7251 of 7450
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Originally Posted by dfergie View Post

Let LIN know how you feel... ..

(Insert middle finger here)

Doesn't bother me personally if they are or aren't on DISH Network since I get them off-air on my PC or HD set but the KRQE GM's attitude that I assume permeates through LIN management rubs me the wrong way. Unless someone lives in a very remote or low population place, people don't primarily buy pay tv programming from cable or satellite for their network programming.

As far as I'm concerned, the fee should not be about copyright since you can watch the signal off-air without being in copyright violation but rather to recoup costs of getting the channel on a cable/sat system. If the cable/sat provider uses their own equipment to get the signal off-air and deliver it to the headend/uplink, it's fine for them to charge a fee to recoup some of those costs and the broadcaster should get $0.00/sub/month. If a broadcaster delivers their signal by fiber or microwave to a LIL facility in a city, then the broadcaster should get like $.05 or $.10/sub/month to help with the costs of delivering the signal to the cable/sat provider.
post #7252 of 7450
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Originally Posted by sthscan


As far as I'm concerned, the fee should not be about copyright since you can watch the signal off-air without being in copyright violation but rather to recoup costs of getting the channel on a cable/sat system. If the cable/sat provider uses their own equipment to get the signal off-air and deliver it to the headend/uplink, it's fine for them to charge a fee to recoup some of those costs and the broadcaster should get $0.00/sub/month. If a broadcaster delivers their signal by fiber or microwave to a LIL facility in a city, then the broadcaster should get like $.05 or $.10/sub/month to help with the costs of delivering the signal to the cable/sat provider.
See that's what the fight is all about. The station broadcasts the signal over the air for free and you the viewer can pick it up for free and watch all you want. The cable/sat companies have no right to pick up that signal with an antenna and then turn it around and package it into their system and charge a customer. Having those channels can make the cable/sat package more attractive to the customer so they charge a little bit more and the local station gets no reimbursement for providing a product that increases the bottom line of the cable/sat entity.

I'm not happy about all the bickering that goes on behind the scenes between cable/sat co's and the corporate TV owners that eventually causes me, the viewer, to lose out on some channels, but I do understand the locals making a stand.
post #7253 of 7450
I understand the locals making a stand, but apparently LIN wanta a 140% price increase. Seems like these bozos could find some middle ground...
post #7254 of 7450
I sent e-mails and got one back, they want their fair share... (in other words, everyone else is milking the customers why can't we )
post #7255 of 7450
Interesting note, the fiber that was put in place to the Comcast headend from the various networks was provided by Comcast as part of retransmission agreements.

The problem becomes, if the providers just pay whatever is asked, it's the customer that pays for it with rate increases. It's not like the providers just take the hit. LIN has gone through this with just about every tv provider out there now.
post #7256 of 7450
Have they--LIN-- done this with comcast and DirecTV?

Did those providers pay?

Thanks
post #7257 of 7450
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Originally Posted by moonhawk
Have they--LIN-- done this with comcast and DirecTV?

Did those providers pay?

Thanks
They most likely have those contracts already in place, but as each one comes up for renegotiation they will ask them for more $$$. It happens every time. This just happens to be Dish & LinTv. Wasn't it just KOAT & DirecTv or Dish?
post #7258 of 7450
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Have they--LIN-- done this with comcast and DirecTV?

Did those providers pay?

Thanks

I haven't seen much with directv. They actually went dark though for almost a month in October of 08 on Time Warner Systems. Charter and Comcast have had a hard time with them as well. It took a long time to get their HD networks on Comcast before coming to an agreement in 08. It's always gotten done in the end though.
post #7259 of 7450
This is the response I got from LIN;

Dear Robert,



Thank you for your email and I understand your frustration. We are trying hard to come to an agreement with DISH network. The rates we are asking for are a fraction of what DISH pays for many cable networks that you may never even watch. Local television stations are consistently ranked among the most-watched channels, in part because we provide local news and programming that cable networks don't offer and we host/sponsor important community service events, yet we do not get compensated fairly for the value of our stations. Nobody would find that reasonable, which is why Congress enacted laws that allow us to negotiate for fair compensation.

"DISH is using 140% as a public relations scare tactic. The fact is we are asking for pennies a day per subscriber. Any increase in pennies is going to result in a large percentage. For instance, if you go from 1 cent to 2 cents, that is a 100% increase. We are only asking for fair value, again pennies a day per subscriber, which is far less than what DISH is paying for cable channels that you may never even watch."


We do not want to lose subscribers or advertisers, we just want to come to a reasonable agreement with DISH. For more information; please go to our website www.linmedia.com

Thank you for supporting your Local stations.







From: Robert Meyer
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:21:57 -0700
Subject: Dish network



Hi,



I am a Dish network subscriber and I usually record your local Albuquerque CBS affiliate Over The Air on a Sony HD DVR, not Dish network, so if you don't get your extortionist price increase from Dish, I will not really be affected. However, I do pay Dish network for a programming package that includes local programming, and your 140% price increase demand could result in a rate increase that I would wind up paying for. BE REASONABLE!!!!! A 140% price increase is not reasonable for something that is free OTA.



Sincerely,



Robert C. Meyer



Let's see. Are they asking for 2 cents a day? That would be about 60 cents per month. That's more that Dish pays for most cable networks which I can't receive OTA for free. Every other local will then start demanding a big increase too. Dish customers ultimately have to pay for this, even if we don't watch that channel on Dish or watch it OTA.
post #7260 of 7450
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Have they--LIN-- done this with comcast and DirecTV?

Did those providers pay?

Thanks

Looking at a google search, DISH Network's agreement with LIN was signed in March 2008. Comcast and DIRECTV signed agreements with LIN in June 2008.

If Comcast and DIRECTV's agreements were 3 years like DISH's, then Comcast and DIRECTV will be getting ripped off by LIN this June.
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