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post #31 of 799
All of you who have the 3910 already:

Does the back panel have the S.E. (Denon Link Second Edition) sticker affixed below the DenonLink jack, as on the back panel picture on Denon's USA website ? If no sticker, what does it say ?

Paul.
post #32 of 799
So will this replace your 318 for primary movie viewing?
post #33 of 799
Thread Starter 
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So will this replace your 318 for primary movie viewing?
Hard to say at the moment. I have been doing some comparisons using the same disc in both players and the jury is still out on this. The Denon definitely does some things better than the Zenith (as one should expect), but the Zenith also does some things the Denon can't do.

Right now, there is no question the Zenith will remain an important "player" in my system. I have quite a few discs from outside Region 1 and now some of those are PAL format. Obviously the Zenith will be used for those. For 4:3 material, the Denon gets those. Probably for most R1 16:9 transfers, I'll be using the Denon for its better color and depth of image. The Denon also appears to handle mediocre transfers/compression better.

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I almost wonder if this is worth the money vs. the 2900, especially when you talk about boggling stupidity like the aspect ratio controls.
I was actually thinking the same thing myself as I was evaluating the 3910. In terms of absolute picture quality, the nod goes to the 3910 and I'm certain audio quality is superior in the newer player. However, the real-world price difference right now may not justify these incremental improvements for many people.
post #34 of 799
Sorry Robert, I stand corrected! There is NO button on the remote for "squeeze". There is button on the panel (rotate to switch squeeze on / off). So the options are press lots of remote buttons to get into setup menu for squeeze on / off or walk to the player and switch on the panel! Both methods are unacceptable indeed! :(

regards,

Li On
post #35 of 799
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Originally posted by Robert George
Speaker distance settings for multi-channel audio is in 1 foot increments.

EDIT: Distance units are selectable in feet or meters. When meters are selected, increments are .1 meters.
Excellent! Do you have seperate distance settings for SACD, DVD-A, and DD/DTS playback, or is it all global?
post #36 of 799
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Right now, there is no question the Zenith will remain an important "player" in my system.
I concur. I have a 2900 and a 318 myself. The 318 is going nowhere. On my previous display (Pioneer Elite CRT), my findings were very close to yours. My CRT had DVI though. I actually preferred Component to DVI. Richer colors. I have changed displays, and am waiting for a replacement 2900 from Denon. I am anticipating a shootout between the Zenith & the Denon with my new display (Sony 70-XBR950 LCD). I'm beginning to wonder if we have reached a point of diminishing returns on these players. I'm not seeing the value of these super high end players at this point. Denon KNOWS what we want, and aspect ratio control is one of the big ones. The Faroudja chip can do it. Why can't we have it? I'll be keeping the 2900 & 318 until HD-DVD gets here.
post #37 of 799
Thread Starter 
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Do you have seperate distance settings for SACD, DVD-A, and DD/DTS playback, or is it all global?
Using the analog outputs, these settings appear to be global. There is only one setup procedure that I can find.
post #38 of 799
Robert,

How does the Denon in 480p compare to the Zenith in 1080i for video playback?
post #39 of 799
I am also suprised that the build quality is below that of the 2900? I thought that the 3910 was supposed to be the upgrade to the 3800, which was built like a brick you know what?
post #40 of 799
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Originally posted by Q of BanditZ

This 3910 sounds nice, but like a mixed bag.
A 'mixed bag' because why? Because of the (lack of) aspect ratio control? I agree that it's an important feature, but everything else on the player seems state-of-the-art both picture and sound-wise.
post #41 of 799
I wonder if there are discreet codes for the aspect button? If there are, then you can program them into your universal remote possibly???? How would we find this out?

Dave
post #42 of 799
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Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
I wonder if there are discreet codes for the aspect button? If there are, then you can program them into your universal remote possibly???? How would we find this out?

Dave
Or a macro starting with the setup button. Sounds like same stupid setup for the changing of the video output on the 5900. A remote button for that would have been really nice since it's not accessible in the setup only a front panel knob.

Jim
post #43 of 799
I agree Jim...I looked at remote central to see if anyone had gotten the discreet code for a macro, and nobody has found one as of yet.

Dave
post #44 of 799
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Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
I agree Jim...I looked at remote central to see if anyone had gotten the discreet code for a macro, and nobody has found one as of yet.

Dave
Do you know if anyone has asked Jeff/Denon about this? There must be some design restriction preventing remote control of this function or they left out the remote ability because they figured people would not be changing these settings often. I do, some material looks better to me depending on the output so it would be handy.

Jim
post #45 of 799
Jim,
I'll send him and email and see what he says. I think the 3910 though has the DVI on and off controls on the remote (at least it looks like that type of button is on the remote if I remeber correctly).

Dave
post #46 of 799
Robert
Was your latest Mitz calibration done from the Zenith or the 2900? Your note on the black level makes me wonder.
Any more thoughts about audio quality from the digital connection? I'll assume coax for movies?

Thanks
E
post #47 of 799
I just looked at the PDF and there are two buttons on the upper left that say:

DVI-HDMI (select) and (format). I wonder if these are the same as the toggle button on the 5900?

Dave
post #48 of 799
Thread Starter 
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I am getting the idea from this thread and others that the 2900 may even still be better built than this. Maybe I'm reading into that the wrong way...
In retrospect, I think the build quality issue may really be a wash with the 2900. The 2900 has a rather heavy aluminum faceplate that the 3910 does not have and that could easily account for the small diffeence in overall weight. Certainly the drive unit and drawer mechanism used on the 3910 seem superior to the one in the 2900.
post #49 of 799
Robert,

Is your 3910 made in China? I assume the 2900 is Japan-made?
post #50 of 799
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Originally posted by Dave Vaughn
Jim,
I'll send him and email and see what he says. I think the 3910 though has the DVI on and off controls on the remote (at least it looks like that type of button is on the remote if I remeber correctly).

Dave
It would be nice to find out, it's been sort of a minor annoyance to me since I've had the player. If it is on the 3910 remote I wonder if the command will work for the 5900? Looking at the 3910 front panel it seems to be a similar sort of switch.

Jim
post #51 of 799
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Your note on the black level makes me wonder.
Most players have a lighter and darker setting. The Denon default setting is lighter (as most are). This is a non issue (unless you want blacker than black). Set it to darker, and keep it there.
post #52 of 799
Thread Starter 
Yeah, what Patrick said about the black level. The only thing to remember on the 3910 is, they don't call it "lighter" and "darker" and it is also in it's own little submenu. "0 IRE" is the darker setting and "7.5 IRE" is the lighter setting. The factory default is 7.5 IRE. Switching to 0 IRE brought the black level back to approximately what I was getting with the 2900.
post #53 of 799
Robert
There ya go. So, it's in the neighborhood of the 2900.

Patrick - I knew this already.

Thanks to both
E
post #54 of 799
"I am getting the idea from this thread and others that the 2900 may even still be better built than this. Maybe I'm reading into that the wrong way..."

The 3910 and the 2900 may be similar in weight, but not in build qualilty. The 3910 has a much better feel to the buttons, the jacks on the back are all gold plated and solid. In fact, the analog 2 channel output are on their own with extra spacing for bigger and better interconnects. The 3910 is a much better build, IMO.

Someone asked earlier about different 2 channel comparisons, between the 3910's DACs and outboard DACs with the digital output. I am using all of the different outputs as well...digital for DD and DTS, 2 channel analog out and the 6 channel analog output.

The sound of the 3910 is a BIG step above the 2900 in redbook performance using the onboard DACs of the deck itself. As a transport using the digital connection and an outboard DAC they are pretty similar.
post #55 of 799
The 7.5 IRE black level setting is the default and is the correct level. You only need to change it if your display has been calibrated too bright (IRE 0). I would reduce the brightness of the display before I would reduce the DVD player to IRE 0.

This all assumes that the level output by the player matches its setting. Im sure Kris will let us know if IRE 7.5 is actually IRE 7.5...
post #56 of 799
Thread Starter 
E,

When my TV was calibrated, I don't really recall what player was used but I know it wasn't either the 2900 or the Zenith. I was using the Panasonic RP91 and something else at that time. I can't remember the "something else" :eek:.

It doesn't matter anyway. When ever a new player goes in my system, the first disc in the player is Video Essentials for a check of black, white, and color levels and any small adjustments that may be necessary.

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Is your 3910 made in China? I assume the 2900 is Japan-made?
The 3910 is Chinese-made. I don't recall the origin of the 2900.
post #57 of 799
Are layer changes as seamless as the 2900?
post #58 of 799
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Originally posted by scsiraid
The 7.5 IRE black level setting is the default and is the correct level. You only need to change it if your display has been calibrated too bright (IRE 0). I would reduce the brightness of the display before I would reduce the DVD player to IRE 0.
I would hesitate to call either setting "correct." It's all relative to your display. With PJs, setting to 0 IRE can often give you some extra dynamic range.
post #59 of 799
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Are layer changes as seamless as the 2900?
Well, yeah. I mean, to me something is seamless or it isn't. I tested for layer change pause on at least 3-4 discs I know where the layer break actually is and I have yet to be able to see one. Seamless. Completely.
post #60 of 799
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Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
I wouldn't mind some recommendations for places to purchase this, besides Crutchfields. I know they're excellent, but paying MSRP just doesn't make sense to me. ;)
Q, most high-end stores carry Denon. Are there any near you? Tweeter near me is discounting the 2910 for preorders. Don't know about the 3910.
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